TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4704 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12984 times:
This is not going to work out IMO. Travellers, who can afford/ are paid to fly in C or F will choose one of the large network carriers due to their large number of available destinations beyond STN and NYC and due to the frequent flyer perks, or will charter a biz-jet to get across the pond individually.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
NASOCEANA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12984 times:
Same principal as PrivatAir service.
"PrivatAir is a leading international business aviation group with headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. The company has been in operation for 25 years and employs over 400 people. PrivatAir operates a Corporate Shuttle on behalf of Lufthansa on routes from various German airports to destinations in the US. For this the airline uses a fleet of Airbus A319 Long Range and Boeing Business Jets (B737-700). These aircraft are equipped with 48 business-class seats in a two-by-two configuration. This was the world's first intercontinental business-class-only scheduled airline service."
Take note of the price set their and the airline name.
Now go to www.maxjet.com and enter in details for a flight leaving in march next year. Notice how the prices start at the price quoted from BBC News?
To me, both stories add up. You and Laxintl are correct that EOS are starting services, maybe this is a Codeshare using the Maxjet aircraft because during the booking process where you see the prices it actually says it is a B767 used on that flight.
EDIT: Read the very last paragraph in the BBC story, it mentions EOS as another airline interested in Stansted.
ANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12032 times:
There are several points here in no order whatsoever.
1) Both EOS and Maxjet have their FAA approvals.
2) Maxjet is out of T1 EOS out of T4
3) There is an article in WSJ today about them both
4) STN has its own unique catchment, so will be preferable to some people, in fact a lot of people, over LHR.
5) I think they will need to rely heavily on US-originating traffic, as opposed to UK
6) What about loyalty schemes?
7) Point to note, they are both operating expensive aircraft with high maintenance, PrivatAir uses 737/319 long range versions - about 30% cheaper to operate.
8) when you're competing against BA Club and VS UCS your seats had better be good. The pics of EOS in WSJ look like you'll be getting hospital bed with a plastic wrap-around - it is gross.
9) Maxjet has 60inch pitch, so yes, 102 on 767, 72 on 757, which may catch some (leisure?) premium econ pax (small market anyway) but who is going to give up their bizz lie-flat seat paid for by their company?
10) Maxjet have changed their bizz plan (from someone earlier)
11) Privat have the backing of major airlines AND they do not sell tickets themsleves.
12) Orion, a lot of US pax travel bizz over the pond and then pick up a 99pence flight - it is totally possible people will self-interlign, just not enough for these airlines.
13) STN is a great airport, if you don't know it. Entrance to gate in 8 mins if you're quick (I've done it!). easy access for the City and Cambs and all those catchment areas, and you can avoid the lo-cost pax.
14) oh, and schedules, one flight a day? Market share on this route is determined by frequency, not number of seats on your aircraft. One flight a day - not looking good.
well, that's all, i think the bizz-only concept works, but i think these guys have got the model wrong.