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Thai Air Orders 3 More A346  
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

http://www.luchtzak.be/article10084.html

Seems that most operators of the a346 are happy enough with it to warrant repeat orders. (Except for CX that is)


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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8809 times:

G'day

Someone should re-read the Thai statement:

This new A340-600 aircraft will be used to service passengers travelling to Europe, including Zurich, Switzerland, Milan, and Spain, and Tokyo, Japan in Asia. THAI received the two A340-600 aircraft in June and August 2005 respectively and will receive another three aircraft of this model from Airbus by the end of the year 2005, which will complete the order for five aircraft under the A340-600 aircraft type.

http://www.thaiair.com/About_Thai/Ne...ress_Year_2005/press0905-wu306.htm

Seems there are no news really

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

I guess they do indeed. I thought it was a new order, wich would make it 8 for Thai. i stand corrected.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8704 times:

Good for Thai, but why is CX unhappy with them? Problems on the HKG-JFK route?

When it comes to pax qads a/c, is 744(ER) version "standing still"? Didnt find any orders in www.justplanes for the 744 Pax. a big hit as Freighter though.

Just a question, no flamewar, please.

Micke//SE  wave 



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8873 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
Good for Thai, but why is CX unhappy with them? Problems on the HKG-JFK route?

Thought the 346 were leased at CX.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):

Yep, the CX A346 are leased (3?)

Cheers

Micke//SE  Smile



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2630 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
but why is CX unhappy with them?

According to my pilot friend:

Quote:


Well, in a nutshell (not as short as I'd like); They don't go anywhere near as far as Airbus said, they are simply too damn heavy on the wing. The engines shutdown in flight of their own accord, this is to do with the defective fuel system that doesn't transfer fuel. We have to turn the fuel management off and do it manually, which is actually quite fun, breaks the monotony of the automation. I feel like I'm in my 747 again. Airbus have supplied updated "bug fixed" software, but it still happens.
We also have a payload restriction on some of the longer routes. We've had to choose between cargo or slf and sometimes the cargo wins!

There are also regular issues with the onboard equipment such as the galley ovens, they'll often not work. The cabin lighting has also been iffy and on more than one occasion the entertainment refused to stay on. Our mechanical gods claim its the flex in the fuselage that's causing this, somthing to do with the wiring and connections. Airbus have been helping but insist the fuselage flex has nothing to do with it.

Mind you, tis a beaut to fly and the flightdeck is audibly quieter than the 747 and we have a little more room to move around.
You asked if I preferred the "game stick" or the yoke from my 747 days. Well, surprisingly I find the joystick is very neat and comfortable and affords me a great little table for my food and paperwork. However, I have to admit that the yoke on the 747 is much more tactile and intuitive.


Don't shoot the messenger now. This is the personal experience and observation from a pilot.

[Edited 2005-09-20 11:48:48]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8443 times:
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Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
Yep, the CX A346 are leased (3?)

I thought all of them were leased.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
When it comes to pax qads a/c, is 744(ER) version "standing still"? Didnt find any orders in www.justplanes for the 744 Pax.

Heaps of airlines with B744 that are near their 'due by' date are replacing them with B773s and A346s. I think its because they don't need all of their B744s anymore due to less passengers and its cheaper to operate B777s and A340s


User currently offlineIB787 From Spain, joined Jun 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

With more A346 on their fleet, it's time that TG flies non-stop to MAD instead of via FCO.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Then whattabout ETOPS if they´re to go with 773-ER/2-LR? (HKG-JFK)

Micke//SE  Confused



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User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8274 times:

When will Thai sart flying with the A346 on Schiphol?
I beleved I did read that somewhere!



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User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8122 times:

If I'm not mistaken, CX uses an old version of the A346. All the newer A346 have new, lighter wings.


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8084 times:

Quoting Morvious (Reply 10):
When will Thai sart flying with the A346 on Schiphol?
I beleved I did read that somewhere

I believe I also read that in Airliner World. I believe the July issue wich had an article on Thai Air.

Quoting A319114 (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistaken, CX uses an old version of the A346. All the newer A346 have new, lighter wings.

Indeed they do. IIRC all currently produced a346 have the lighter wing, and from Qatar on, all will be the HGW version.



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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2630 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting A319114 (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistaken, CX uses an old version of the A346. All the newer A346 have new, lighter wings.

And CX are still unconvinced.



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User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8015 times:

It is substantially to operate an aircraft if it is say not as efficient than a 773ER, than replace the existing 346's they have and then retrain and requip staff and maintenance for an entirely new product. If they are happy or not it is highly likely the best option and most economical would be more 346 than changing everything that is presently set up.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8015 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 13):
And CX are still unconvinced.

I guess we'll know when CX will order some new planes.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8873 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8000 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 13):
And CX are still unconvinced.

Being one of the few that fly them, I do like them.



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7978 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 13):
Quoting A319114 (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistaken, CX uses an old version of the A346. All the newer A346 have new, lighter wings.

And CX are still unconvinced.

No way. The A346 delivered to CPA via ILFC have been built in 2002, 2003, which means one of the first ones delivered.

The new plan mentioned for A346 is still a plan imo.

Although A346 dispatch reliability is not exceptional so far, it is not good for CPA, vs the other operators. Any reason mentioned ? apart from the fact they got maybe the first A/C, with all the maturity pbs it may induce...

E.


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2189 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 9):
Then whattabout ETOPS if they´re to go with 773-ER/2-LR? (HKG-JFK)

Micke//SE

What about it? CO does just fine running a 772er on EWR-HKG


User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 16):
Being one of the few that fly them, I do like them.

What do you mean, do you fly the A346 or do you fly the A346 for CX ?
(just out of curiousity)



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting A319114 (Reply 11):
All the newer A346 have new, lighter wings.

Only CX, SA, and VS operate the ones with the heavy wings.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
IIRC all currently produced a346 have the lighter wing, and from Qatar on, all will be the HGW version.

Well, only if the customer orders the 380t option.

Quoting GARPD (Reply 13):
And CX are still unconvinced.

According to who?

N


User currently offlineJMJAirways From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

I also like flying them.

As a pax thoght!

Best regards



I am willing to pay extra for a A346 flight !
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

I don't think this pilot report is that bad, after all. The trouble with the wings should be fixed on newer ones, CX has some of the first and they had too heavy wings (and were sold with discount). Besides, the galley ovens or the entertainment systems are not essential parts of the aircraft and they are probably build by a supplier, not by Airbus itself. So blame the suppliers.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 20):
Well, only if the customer orders the 380t option

OK, I thought it would be standard from the Qatar deliveries onward.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Think CPA's repeat order for the A346 are second hand B744s from SIA!


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25 WINGS : Actually no. The A340-600 (380t) will become standard after Qatar starts to receive theirs. It is my understanding that they will be. Regards, Wings
26 EGNR : As others have mentioned, this is true. In fact, there are only 2 more wingsets to be produced that are not HGW wings, and both of these non-HGW sets
27 Zvezda : That may or may not be a reliable indicator of CX's satisfaction (or lack thereof) with the A340-600. It may be that they just got a good price on SQ
28 Post contains images Eatmybologna : Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what exactly is a heavy wing from the perspective of a pilot. Is it a wing that is actually too weighty and ca
29 A342 : Wait. Initially, TG ordered 5 A346 together with 3 A345. Then they placed a repeat order for another one more of each type. With the new order of 3 A3
30 Cloudyapple : Not an issue. Partly. It's not just the weight of the wings. Handling characteristics changes when the AIRCRAFT weight is different, and the distribu
31 Gigneil : It weighs too much. It makes the plane heavier, which increases fuel burn. No. All reports are that its a dream to fly. Nope. A variety of the contro
32 Post contains images A360 : Do you know when will Qatar going to receibe their first 346 HGW? At the moment, there are 115 346's on order, an 48 delivered... there are still alo
33 Thorben : 5+1 A346 and 3+1 A345. Makes ten in my opinion.
34 FlyingHippo : I agree with you, the A343 is a bit weak in the power department, but 345/6 is defintely a powerful plane. I might have a chance to fly CX's A346 soo
35 AMSSFO : Read the link provided in reply 1: There is no new order!!
36 ZRH : I always think that the word "underpowered" is wrong. Of course the the A 340-200/300 are very slow climbers because of the rather small engines. But
37 Pilot21 : If CX got rid of the A340-600, it would be a pity IMO. Having flown the JFK-HKG route back in March with CX in Business, I must say it was a pleasure
38 WINGS : Qatar should start to receive their first A340-600HGW towards the end of 2006 Regards, Wings
39 Thorben : They also have a lot of A343s and A333s, so there is some fleet commonality, at least for pilots. Some sources speak of the end of 2006, some of the
40 Flyingexpat : Having flown both CX HKG-JFK-HKG (346)and CO EWR-HKG-EWR (77X) multiple times, I must say that the ride quality on the 346 seemed better in terms of c
41 Post contains images Kappel : Does anybody know what the break-even on the a345-6 project is? The have sold 25 a345 and 115 (about IIRC) a346. Is that enough? Hopefully the 380t ve
42 A342 : Of course it does. Sorry, I didn´t see that there is no new order. But why does TG say "...completing an order of 5 aicraft of this type." ? Altoget
43 AMSSFO : They state: "Previously made order" and "complete the order" (NOT a order) all suggest that they are talking about the first order only, to be delive
44 Thorben : Actually, I'm sorry, I didn't see that you still thought that there was an new order. I don't know about this completing the order thing, it must hav
45 Karan69 : Agree with you mate, but atleast the good thing for the A345 was that it made it in the records book with the longest commercial segment flow on SQ E
46 Thorben : Emirates uses it to ZRH, not really a long distance route. I don't know if they do it because of lack of aircraft, or because of capacity needs. Anyw
47 WINGS : Exactly Thorben. Airbus knows what they are working towards. They are still in time to do some last minute work to further improve on those figures.
48 Thorben : Yep, that's why I always say that Airbus needs Boeing. Well, a lot of possible Airbus A342 and A343 orders have been turned into A332 and A333 orders
49 Karan69 : Thats a simple reason, a certain swiss firm have booked EKs entire first class cabin for the next 36 months or so, as their First Class suite on thos
50 Post contains links Thorben : I read somewhere that the development cost for the A340-500/-600 program was 2.9 bil. $. The source isn't working anymore. It was: http://www.flug-re
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