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NW: No More Food In Y Class On Transatlantic?  
User currently offlineN593HA From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 152 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

Hey, I just booked a flight on expedia with KL/NW from CGN to HNL via AMS and SEA for my Christmas break (I'm flying Y-class off course!).

On my itinerary it is stated that on NW033 AMS - SEA no food is served?
Is this really true? If that is the case, will there be at least a buy on board option?
I would find it very disappointing if on that which is served by state of the art 333s (including AVOD) no more food would be served.
I mean NW is still a mainline carrier and not a low-cost / no frills airline!

Maybe, it is, now that NW is flying under Chapter 11 one of their strategies to offer only Buy on Board meals on all flights!

May be some one can help to solve this mystery! I would be thankful!

Regards from Bonn, Germany
N593HA


Next trip: KL+NW to HNL
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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

As much as NW has gotten rid of in-flight options... i dont think they'll sink as low as to not serve food on a AMS-SEA flight. Just my logical guess. But i might be wrong...

'902



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

Food is still served on all Trans Atlantic and Pacific flights.

User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11942 times:

Iwouldn't be surprised to see that happen. Airlines have just started to reduce the international baggage limit from two pieces with 70 punds down to two peieces 50 pounds (so a reduction by 40 pounds, which actually hurts me quite a bit).

But in NWA 33 you will get Dinner and a Snack. The fact that they call it "Dinner" at lunchtime mainly means that it will be a real full size meal, whereas "Lunch" is usually smaller and breakfast is about as much as a snack, only better fitted for the morning.


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 3):
The fact that they call it "Dinner" at lunchtime mainly means that it will be a real full size meal, whereas "Lunch" is usually smaller and breakfast is about as much as a snack, only better fitted for the morning.

Depends on what airline you're talking about  Smile

CX's breakfasts are quite handsome, even in Y. I have to say the average quality of American airlines' serivce/food has sunk quite far....


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11695 times:
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N593HA,

Check out www.airlinemeals.net . This site has all airlines meals listed and you can see them. It's a great and interesting website.

LACA773


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11357 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 3):
Airlines have just started to reduce the international baggage limit from two pieces with 70 punds down to two peieces 50 pounds

This limit was for flights to/from the US (maybe all North America ??).

For the rest of the world the limit in Y is 20 kg (no limit on pieces that I know of, but with 20 kg, you can not have many), sometimes up to 25 depending on the airline (AF was 23, reduced to 20 one year ago, but with 5/10/20 kg additional depending on your status with them).



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11279 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 3):
Airlines have just started to reduce the international baggage limit from two pieces with 70 punds down to two peieces 50 pounds (so a reduction by 40 pounds, which actually hurts me quite a bit).

That is untrue. That restriction is for Domestic baggage. International baggage is still 70

Quoting TGV (Reply 6):
This limit was for flights to/from the US (maybe all North America ??).

It is for domestic flights



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User currently offlineLH431 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

Quoting 764 (Reply 3):
Airlines have just started to reduce the international baggage limit from two pieces with 70 punds down to two peieces 50 pounds (so a reduction by 40 pounds, which actually hurts me quite a bit).

stop crying!  Smile
All over the world there is the maximum of about 20KG(BTW the BA limit is 23KG) in Y. Only in North America its different(why?) - but I enjoy that on my homebound flight after shopping in the USA/Canada.

AFAIK is NW one of the few US Airlines that serves free booze in economy!

have a nice chrismas break...hope there is somebody who is with you



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Quoting LH431 (Reply 8):
AFAIK is NW one of the few US Airlines that serves free booze in economy!

Might only be on Pacific flights these days IIRC, the one other US Airline that does this is UA.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4359 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11006 times:

I flew Northwest sunday and they even had a free meal on the 3.5 hour Mexico City-Detroit flight, and two meals on the 6.5 hour Detroit-Amsterdam flight plus free booze. I wouldn't worry too much that would change, especially because they are codesharing with KLM, Continental and Air France who are well known for decent free meals. The "meal" codes are often wrong on iteneraries, stating you get dinner on a half hour flight and no meal on long flights.


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User currently offlineAhdharia From United States of America, joined May 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10826 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
That is untrue. That restriction is for Domestic baggage. International baggage is still 70

Actually that is still not true. NWA has dropped the limit from 70 to 50 lbs. on all international Asia/Europe bound flights originating from USA.

http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/checked.html#freeluggage


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10762 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 9):
Quoting LH431 (Reply 8):
AFAIK is NW one of the few US Airlines that serves free booze in economy!

Might only be on Pacific flights these days IIRC, the one other US Airline that does this is UA.

I had a couple of beers and a scotch on my last DTW-FRA flight in Y a few months ago and they were still no charge at that time. Of course, that could change overnight.



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Quoting Ahdharia (Reply 11):
Actually that is still not true. NWA has dropped the limit from 70 to 50 lbs. on all international Asia/Europe bound flights originating from USA.

NW/KL tried this last year, and were told by IATA that they couldn't. I wonder how they're getting away with it now?



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10690 times:

Quoting LH459 (Reply 13):
NW/KL tried this last year, and were told by IATA that they couldn't. I wonder how they're getting away with it now?

Didn't AC just do this recently as well?



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
That is untrue. That restriction is for Domestic baggage. International baggage is still 70

UA has done the same thing for all Y-class flights booked after 9/15 (I believe it was).



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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3192 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10071 times:

Quoting LH459 (Reply 13):
NW/KL tried this last year, and were told by IATA that they couldn't. I wonder how they're getting away with it now?

My girlfriend got nailed for the 50lb limit on our DFW-CUN and CUN-DFW flight on Champion Air which is NW charter arm this May. $25 each way. Just makes you wonder if that excess cash went into the keg fund or actually went into the till.

Lets see a week in CUN, couple swim suits, undies, shorts & tee shirts, a pair of flip-flops and toothbrush. I didn't get it. How do you end up with more than a hundred pounds of luggage.

Okie


User currently offlineKaniksu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9892 times:

Quoting LH431 (Reply 8):
AFAIK is NW one of the few US Airlines that serves free booze in economy!

Doesn't Horizon/QX does this as well?


User currently offlineHamadanF4 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9877 times:

my family and I, flew coach on aNW from DTW to AMS June 2004 on a NW A330-300 and the food was the worst ever. It was so bad that the F/A was applogizing as she was passing out the dinner. It was so bad that on the return flight i bought our food before boarding. If NW would pass on the savings to passangers from not serving any food, then atleast one would know what to expect and bring your own meal. But in reality i know they would never pass on the savings to passangers. Hey, You know what Walmart needs to start a airline!!!!!!!!!!!! oh here we go getting the pro Union guys all upset!

User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9637 times:

Regarding luggage allowance

from http://www.nwa.com/travel/luggage/checked.html

International Travel between the U.S./Canada and Asia or Europe
For international travel between the U.S./Canada and Asia or Europe, each ticketed passenger is allowed to check the following:
Coach Class
Two (2) checked pieces
50 pounds* (23 kg) per piece - linear dimensions (add length, width, and height) not to exceed 62 inches (158 cm). Luggage weighing between 50 and 70 pounds will be assessed a $25 USD fee.

* Exceptions for travel wholly between U.S./Canada and the Philippines, checked pieces may weigh up to 70 pounds (32 kg) each.

World Business Class
Three (3) checked pieces
First two (2) pieces: 70 pounds (32 kg) with linear dimensions not to exceed 62 inches (158 cm).
Third piece: 40 pounds (18 kg) with with linear dimensions not to exceed 45 inches (115 cm).

So, for coach class it is 50 pounds.

Regarding the first poster question about food being served at NW/KL TATL flights.

Food is served. You will get dinner (chicken or pasta) and a breakfast (pizza and icecream). Booze is free.

What you got was that Expedia is not showing correct info. It happened to me a few time in past - I have 4 TATL flighs on NW/KL this year alone.

As long as NW and KL are tied up in Joint Venture for TATL operations they will offer comparable level of service.

Quoting SATX (Reply 9):
Might only be on Pacific flights these days IIRC, the one other US Airline that does this is UA.

It's TATL service too.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 6):
For the rest of the world the limit in Y is 20 kg

Air NZ, flights NZ1 and NZ2 give 2x 32kg, although this isn't always stated on the ticket it is the standard limit on this flight, I believe that also applies if you are only flying LHR-LAX or AKL-LAX and vice versa.


User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

I just flew them in Y class and they had all the passengers bound at the wrist standing in the asiles with no food or water. Everyone was complaining in dis belief that there were no hot towels.

I think everyone should stop flying NWA in couch as a result of the awful conditions and "worst ever food" and change your tickets to Alitalia or better yet Y class on Air France.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7986 times:
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If you check out www.airlinemeals.net you'll see what they are serving on NW and all of their competitors. Unfortunately, they have some of the worst looking main cabin and even a good portion of their F/J cabin catering is pretty bad. I'm surprised since they are so tight with KL on international segments through AMS you'd think they'd have a much better catering contract in place and now that AF & KL are merged into one though run under their orginal names, I think AF would say something as well, but apparently that hasn't happened or they just don't care and are probably laughing all the time about the slop they see them serving..

LACA773


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 22):
Unfortunately, they have some of the worst looking main cabin and even a good portion of their F/J cabin catering is pretty bad.

LACA773

I can only tell you that NW and KL have the about the standard for TATL flights. They designed their TATL product that way and they stick to it.

Oh, and btw I'm the guy who gets BIS* miles flying both KL and NW.

Note: BIS = butt-in-seat for those not familiar with terminlogy



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6905 times:

I did the LGW-DTW on NW DC10 and the food was fine. A choice of main course in economy and then towards the end of the flight a 'snack' this was basically next to nothing but at least it was 'something' one has to be grateful for any food on any flight these days!.

The leg room and comfort on that DC10 was the best I have experienced in Y for some time. I hear the 330 is a different matter though.


25 Post contains links Carfield : baggage allowance changes have just taken place (or soon to take place at the end of the month) -- the two pieces rules applied to North American flig
26 ExFATboy : Not sure why US standards are different - perhaps US airlines are less dependent on cargo for revenue? Or maybe Americans just don't know how to pack
27 Post contains links LACA773 : As always, Carfield, Thankyou. I love reading your trip reports and the posts you contribute here. Who do you think provides the best inflight cateri
28 Orion737 : That 'second' snack type meal on transatlantic flights or the 'breakfast' eastbound is terrible. Some cold piece of pastry or something. Its never ano
29 LH459 : it used to be...
30 Lufthansa747 : I think LH west coast flights (over 9 or 10h?) still have two hot meals.
31 Malaysia : I thought the NW TV dinners all come from the MSP kitchen and frozen then shipped out to NRT and outstations? that egg mc muffin thing is nasty, its n
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