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FAA To Propose Security Cameras On Planes  
User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2039 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4360 times:
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From AP via Yahoo! News:

WASHINGTON - The latest post-Sept. 11 security change for commercial planes may be cameras in the cabin and wireless devices for flight attendants to alert the cockpit crew to an emergency.

Link to full story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050920/ap_on_hi_te/airplanes_cameras

-Charlie

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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

that is a Good idea  Smile


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Who's going to have to pay for them?

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6952 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

great, slap on more security measures to the airlines instead of focusing in preventing them to get to the airplane in the first place...

Pass the buck...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Who's going to pay for the cameras? Certainly not the passengers flying on those very planes. Heaven forbid airlines raise the fares $2.00 per ticket to cover the charges. Nah...I think another round of belt tightening and cost cutting measures aimed at airline employees will easily be able to foot the bill yet again.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 4):
Who's going to pay for the cameras? Certainly not the passengers flying on those very planes. Heaven forbid airlines raise the fares $2.00 per ticket to cover the charges. Nah...I think another round of belt tightening and cost cutting measures aimed at airline employees will easily be able to foot the bill yet again.

That's my point...but the problem is the taxes on tickets are already outrageous. Why doesn't it just come from the FAA since they already collect so much from the airlines instead of flushing it down the toilet in other stupid things they do. I totally agree, the airline is going to get stuck paying for something else that the goverment is regulating which is still not fixing the root of the problem.


User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

That could put a serious dent in the mile-high club membership


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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

In principle it's a good idea. It can help in crashes (assuming the recording device is protected) and in air rage lawsuits. Public transport often has cameras in each vehicle - even taxis these days.

Cost is another issue entirely.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Surveillance cameras are probably the most annoying invention of modern times, even more annoying than cell phones. When I sit in a plane I don't want to be recorded, because I couldn't behave they way I normally would. Besides, no surveillance camera stopped the people on 9/11 or those in London. Cameras do not stop crime, leave alone doing something about the roots of crime.

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 7):
In principle it's a good idea. It can help in crashes (assuming the recording device is protected) and in air rage lawsuits. Public transport often has cameras in each vehicle - even taxis these days.

Why is that a good idea?? I've been to Britain once and if I can avoid it I'll never go there again, not even to see the 65 A380s in LHR. That's not because of the weather or the food, but because of all this CCTV.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Perhaps the cost of these new cameras and additional devices may be offset by more stable pricing of insurance for the airlines and savings as to incident/accident investigations. They could record evidnece of improper beheavor by a stupid pax (drunk, assults) for court use or for the pilots to determine if they need to divert. They could help the pilots make decisions if to take evasive measures if there is a threat of a hijacking or terror act as well as providing proof for evidence on same. If properly set up, they can be used to secure the area near the flight deck door, when flight crew need access is needed during flights (like pilots needing a potty break). It could also be useful to assist in the investigations like with the recent Helios aircraft disaster. The special wireless alarm devices would be very useful for the protection of the f/a's and pax if have an abuseive pax or a possible terror act in progress, so no problem there. Yes, I agree I don't like all of the CCTV's recording my every move in public and now on an airplane. But it is a unique enviroment and this may be a justified use of these systems

User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 7):
It can help in crashes (assuming the recording device is protected) and in air rage lawsuits



Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
Why is that a good idea?? I've been to Britain once and if I can avoid it I'll never go there again, not even to see the 65 A380s in LHR. That's not because of the weather or the food, but because of all this CCTV.

Let me get this straight. You're asking why CCTV evidence of crashes would not be a good idea? You don't want investigators to help narrow the causes of crashes and potentially save your life in future? Okaaaaay, each to their own.

Seeing as CCTV footage of air rage, road rage etc has put numerous thugs in jail, I feel much safer thank you very much.

What have you done that worries you so much about CCTV? Only criminals usually worry...

Geoff M.


User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 10):

What have you done that worries you so much about CCTV? Only criminals usually worry.

Yes, and you only have to worry about the cameras if you have nothing to hide.. (wheres the icon for rolling eyes?)


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

About time. Now all they need to do is arm the pilots and first officers.


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 10):
What have you done that worries you so much about CCTV? Only criminals usually worry...

I've heard that often before, believe me. I still think that phrase is rubbish. I have done nothing wrong so there is no need to supervise me.

Besides, we have a rhyme in German, it would translate to: "What I think and do myself, I expect others do as well." That means that one calls for surveillance of others because he's a criminal, or wants to be a criminal and expects others to be no better than himself.

I know a lot of people that don't like CCTV and none of them is a criminal. As I said above, criminals accept it, because they personally see a reason for it being there.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 12):
About time. Now all they need to do is arm the pilots and first officers.

Yep, a machine gun and a RPG each.


User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Actually I think this is an option on the A380 called Cabin Video Monitoring System IIRC.

Also I believe the THA A340s have some sort of security cameras in the cargo or cabin???

As far as I can remember, UAE decided to do something along those lines but passengers complained about privacy or some stuff like that.



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User currently offlineWerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Jetblue has had CCTV camera's in their cabins for years and i dont see anyone complaining. They don't record, rather it is for the pilot and FO to keep an eye on the PAX incase someone acts up or there is an act of terrorism happening on the other side of the cockpit doors. This way it gives them time to prepare for what is happening behind them and for the armed Captain to assume his position while the FO lands the aircraft. I think it is a great idea.

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