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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

Does any one know if the grass between runways and taxiways at airports is planted and watered by the airport staff? or is it just wild grass.

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

I think this one tops the all time oddest A.net question.

From what I've seen, no it is not watered. The cost to do so would be astronomical. It is 'planted' pre-say'. It's just the same as you see along the side of the highways.



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User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
It's just the same as you see along the side of the highways.

No sir, the grass behind most runways is a special type of grass that can withstand the jetblast. Not sure about the grass by taxiways, but at major airports they have "Special Grass" directly behind the runways.

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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 2):
Not sure about the grass by taxiways, but at major airports they have "Special Grass" directly behind the runways.

Huh? Are you serious? I'll have to take a closer look to see if I can make out anything. We don't have any scheduled service larger than a 757-300 here, so if we have any 'special' grass out at the airport, it probably has nothing to do with jetblasts.  Big grin



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User currently offlineQB737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
I think this one tops the all time oddest A.net question.

It's getting harder and harder to find a topic that haven't been discussed earlier  Wink


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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

hmm wow special grass... like titanium grass... that would be cool. but something is telling me airports have better things to spend money on. and some airports dont even have grass... LAX i think has that special kind of grass... its cement grass... see:


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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Well, it's a fascinating subject  

Not only hardy enough to withstand jet blast - but also special grass that is less attractive to birds and the insects that birds feed on!!!

One of the main reasons for grass is actually for providing a contrast between the runways and taxiways etc....

....and of course, artificial grass is coming along.....

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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

oh and this is still my favorite photo on airliners.net

i am sure this guy knows a lot about airport grass

check out the caption


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 2):
at major airports they have "Special Grass" directly behind the runways.

Ahh crap they found my stash.


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 3):
Huh? Are you serious?

yes Sir!

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 8):
Ahh crap they found my stash.

I was wondering if anyone would catch that pun...

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 5):
its cement grass

Yeah, that's some tuff stuff!

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[Edited 2005-09-21 04:29:58]


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5460 times:
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No special grass here at HNL. Whatever grass is growing is wild. No irrigation either, all watered by rain.

User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5437 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
From what I've seen, no it is not watered. The cost to do so would be astronomical.

Well, you'd better tell the facilities folks at IAD to turn off the irrigation systems then!  Wink

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
It's just the same as you see along the side of the highways.

Now that's a subject I can definitely speak to: When highways are built, the contractor doesn't get paid in full until the ground cover is established. It's a civil engineering requirement. And the type of grass that's seeded is usually specified in the contract. In some places, there are designated areas (such as high water runoff) that require different types of cover (such and such gravel, so many inches of soil, such and such type of cround cover, X number of trees, etc...) In populated areas, sometimes the requirement is for perrenial "wildflower" seed in the median or on "scenic" shoulders- which runs over $300 a pound!   

So specified grass behind runways makes sense to me. And who would want runoff during heavy rains to wash soil across the runway? Very bad...  

Also, the groundskeeping along the south end of the runway (runway 1 departing south/north) at DCA is very meticulous, even though the largest routine craft there is also a 757, so I wouldn't be surprised if your local field has specialized planting. (If you stand behind a 757 during runup, you'll know why! Not that I recommend trying it, of course...)   


Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
also special grass that is less attractive to birds and the insects that birds feed on!!!

I've heard of a lot of bird deterrent systems before, but I never thought of grass....very interesting.

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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5436 times:

Some airports have really nice grass, like YVR (during the winter anyway). Others have terrible "grass" that are more like a mosh pit. I think in some ways there is an image issue, and it's worth spending a little money on to make sure your airport doesn't look like a swamp

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5395 times:
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Quoting Ha763 (Reply 10):
No special grass here at HNL. Whatever grass is growing is wild. No irrigation either, all watered by rain.

Yep, and I remember many years ago when our UA B742 started its number 1 engine directly over one portion of the grass at HNL. By the time we started taxiing, I could've sworn that the grass blew off its roots. What was left was a brown patch of dirt, only directly behind the jet blast path. There was still grass surrounding it.

NGF (Kaneohe Marine Base) also does not have special grass.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
Not only hardy enough to withstand jet blast - but also special grass that is less attractive to birds and the insects that birds feed on!!!

I also remember seeing rabbits darting about in the grass at NRT. I believe NRT does not have special grass.

Obviously lots of birds feeding on the grass at SIN as well:

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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5348 times:

I know DTW has terrible grass. They have a hard getting it to grow with the poor soil conditions, i.e. mostly clay.

MCO I have to say probably has some of the best in the US and a well maintained airfield.

(Am I really responding to this topic?)  ashamed 

I don't believe there is a special "airport" grass so much as there are engineering standards (as Electech6299 mentioned) that have to be met based on soil conditions, water runoff, etc.

I have been involved in several airfield projects and don't recall any special airfield grass specifications. Wouldn't surprise me though of the FAA had a FAR for it. Please don't get any ideas.  hissyfit 

May be the TSA could consult with ADT to get leasons on how to safe guard an airport. May be thorny bushes by the fence or something. Big grin


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

This is the strangest thread I have ever read...and I can't believe it has actually gotten this far.

Actually I have thought about it but never thought too hard.

If it is not artificial, it will grow. When do they cut the grass? What is the prefered lawnmower of Airports?

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User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

A good question.

Dublin Airport grass is nothing special, and there is no reason to water it ever.
I guess when reseeding any area dug up, they just use the very cheapest grade of grass seed.

In the dim and distant past they used to dry the grass clippings from Dublin Airport and sell it as an animal feed extender. That died out in the late 1960's early 1970's, when fuel costs for drying increased.

There was a rumour it was then diverted to in flight catering but with the LCC's who knows now where it goes.


User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

I hear the grass at AMS is so good that they smoke it.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5166 times:
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Quoting Centrair (Reply 15):
When do they cut the grass? What is the prefered lawnmower of Airports?

at AKL airport the preferred lawnmower used to be sheep - the Airport company used to auction off the grazing rights to local farmers for additional income ( ok all you Aussies - hit me with your sheep jokes )  Smile



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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Surprisingly Manchester doesn't have a need to go round watering the grass, it gets enough rain as it is.

But they do cut the grass to a specific length which prevents birds from being able to walk on it and see through it when on the ground, thus deterring them from nesting and staying around the grassed areas near the runways.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13037 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

I must say, this is a different but not foolish question. Proper grass or other vegetation may be important as to safety and environmental reasons. You don't want bare dirt near runways as could cause problems by loose dust, dirt. Some airports are located near wetlands or coastal areas, (JFK, EWR for example) so need some grass or other ground cover to limit runoff into critical environments. Probably the grass or weed seeds used are of types that can take a lot of sun or rain, (depending on the location) with good root systems and needing minimum maintains. Some airports allow local farmer's sheep or cows to take care of the grass cutting problem (and to help fertilize). I am quite sure almost all airports have large size, industrial grass cutting equipment to maintain the grass and ground cover as needed. Also don't forget, some very small GA's have grass runways.

User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Does any one know if the grass between runways and taxiways at airports is planted and watered by the airport staff? or is it just wild grass.


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No, it isnt watered, it is green most times Always ugly and brown come late fall through springs.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4909 times:
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Quoting Centrair (Reply 15):
When do they cut the grass? What is the prefered lawnmower of Airports?

HNL does it doing the day and tend to close off one of the taxiways boardering the grassy area. They just drive their trucks onto the grassy area and use industrial riding lawnmowers and weedwackers.

This patch of grass is between taxiways G and L. To the left is before mowing, the right after mowing.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Thanks. Yea, I did a search, but did not find anything on it. Sorry if it has been discussed earlier.

User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Actually this is a hilariously odd topic, but I always wondered this also. You in such a controlled environment (an airport) attention would be given to even the most minute detail (such as this).

-IR


25 DLKAPA : Then again some airports have really ugly grass and never get asked out.
26 Redngold : By the way, grass areas at the airport help control surface heating. (in case you didn't already know that)
27 IRelayer : That got a chuckle out of me. -IR
28 Post contains links N774UA : At AMS there is no special grass. The grass on airport property is mowed/serviced by AMS staff. This is a piece of equipment they use. http://www.pbas
29 Post contains links and images HAWK21M : Not watered out here.The Rains/Dew is Adequate.Although Trimming is regularily done. regds MEL
30 Post contains images Fergulmcc : Not in Dublin that's for sure, we get enough rain as it is. The only problem we have is getting the dam Airport Authority to cut it!!! Fergul
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