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BIG Changes In DFW For Delta Again...  
User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

Employees in DFW are gearing up for more BIG changes again...

Speculation is the ramp will be contracted out to D.G.S
(Delta Ground Services). Will know tonight at 7 p.m (Wed) local time. This
is not going to be good.

The return of the dreaded RJ's. Coming December 01, 2005. Just can't
get rid of those miserable airplanes....

And maybe more to come in January 2006.

Pay and benefit cuts coming Thursday.

What a great week ahead! Uggh!

Late 90's, Delta mainline in DFW flew 287 flights.....

January 30, 2005- Delta mainline 54

January 31, 2005- Delta mainline 21

September 01, 2005- Delta mainline 19

November 12, 2005- Delta mainline 20 (DL485 DFW-ATL returns)

December 01, 2005- Delta mainline 13, ASA 1, Comair 3
- Delta ATL-9
- Delta SLC-3, ASA-1
- Delta CVG-1, Comair-3

January 04, 2006- *** Speculative *** Not Confirmed ***
- Delta mainline 5, DCI-12
- Delta ATL-2, DCI-7
- Delta SLC-2, DCI-2
- Delta CVG-1, DCI-3

*** The January 04 schedule shows 7 DFW-ATL flights booked with less than 20 reservations, one or two showing only 1 reservations but the actual availability of seats to sell all have been reduced to no more than 15 reservations. This could be either by a schedule change still being worked and aircraft being reassigned, or more cuts ahead in DFW for Delta mainline.

Either way, things in DFW for Delta will never be the same and it's a shame to see such a great airline not offer more service as it once had.

[Edited 2005-09-21 07:27:44]


Solodude!
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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Those are definitely false, there's no way DL's only going to have 2 mainline flights between ATL-DFW. Things will change shortly, I wouldn't worry about it, the full schedule isn't uploaded yet.

Jeremy


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Well I don't see DL going down to two mainline flights to ATL.

I know for certain you can add another destination to your list starting in December.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7937 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 2):
I know for certain you can add another destination to your list starting in December.

Could you please give us a hint?

Jeremy


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 2):
I know for certain you can add another destination to your list starting in December.

Wow, DL will really add service at DFW again  Wow! ? Hmm, probably a daily r/t on the E70 to connect with DL's international flights seems the most reasonable route.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6583 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7671 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
Could you please give us a hint?

Think of a city where DL runs lots of point to point flights, but has minimal connections.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Think of a city where DL runs lots of point to point flights, but has minimal connections.

BOS, LGA, JFK, MCO, FLL, TPA, LAX


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 6):
BOS, LGA, JFK, MCO, FLL, TPA, LAX

You could also add RDU, CMH, RSW, GSO or BDL as candidates  Wink .


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

Quoting N839MH (Thread starter):
Late 90's, Delta mainline in DFW flew 287 flights.....

The most mainline flights Delta ever had at DFW was around 260, and that was in 1993. A big cut in flights was made in spring 1995 which brought the total down to 195, and by fall 1997 the total was down to about 125. Things have been downhill since. I simply want to point out the decline of Delta at DFW started well before the late 1990s.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

The sad thing is that DL is breaking the one good thing done when transforming DFW from a hub to a station - uniform product. All flights were mainline. That was beautiful - for what it was. Now re-introducing the CRJ... Part of that is CVG's fault, I'd rather of seen 4x 732 go to 2x 732 instead of 1x 732 and 3x CRJ.


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7340 times:

Quoting ORD (Reply 8):
The most mainline flights Delta ever had at DFW was around 260, and that was in 1993. A big cut in flights was made in spring 1995 which brought the total down to 195, and by fall 1997 the total was down to about 125. Things have been downhill since. I simply want to point out the decline of Delta at DFW started well before the late 1990s.

You're totally right. It amazes me how some people's view of history is confined to what they had for lunch yesterday.

The decline of DL at DFW actually began with the WA acquisition. It wasn't an earthquake, not even a mild tremor, but an insignificant, but no less important blip on the richter scale.

The addition of a SLC hub coincided with a build-up at CVG.

Delta thought with an economy of scale at DFW, they could overcome the airport's inherently high cost of doing business. So they grew the hub looking for that critical mass...it never came.

All the while, it became painfully evident that the core Delta customer could be shot out west much more cost-effectively through either ATL and SLC and to a lesser extent CVG.

So the DFW hub remained to cater to the loyal DL customer in and around DFW....but service downgrades and cuts drove even the most faithful and elite-status customer away.

What we see is the end result of 3 decades of events...it didn't "just happen".



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11451 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7333 times:

I said in an earlier post ... it is pretty telling that pretty soon, AA will have more flights (and perhaps more seats) between ATL and DFW than DL. I don't think that's been the case for 2-3 decades -- if ever. Sad.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 5):
Think of a city where DL runs lots of point to point flights, but has minimal connections.

Id put money on JFK, MCO to FLL

JFK could possibly meet up with INTL flights, MCO or FLL maybe song, FLL could possibly retaliate against NK for adding ATL.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 7):
You could also add RDU, CMH, RSW, GSO or BDL as candidates

I thought about those, but was favoring the side of what DL realistically will do from DFW.

If I have to pick just one, it would be JFK. Second choice is BOS.


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7172 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
I said in an earlier post ... it is pretty telling that pretty soon, AA will have more flights (and perhaps more seats) between ATL and DFW than DL. I don't think that's been the case for 2-3 decades -- if ever.

AA didn't even start flying to Atlanta until after deregulation. I believe it was 1985, or at least right around there.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7156 times:

Quoting ORD (Reply 14):
I believe it was 1985, or at least right around there.

Late 1984, with 5 daily flights.



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User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7053 times:

Thanks for all the comments...I knew the dates of Delta's high in DFW might be off but the basis of the comment was the fact how big Delta was to where it is now.

As for the new destination for Delta in DFW, it's probably going to be MCO.

I would really hope for Song, but not holding my breath on that.



Solodude!
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

Quoting N839MH (Reply 16):
I would really hope for Song, but not holding my breath on that.

Yeah you would put yourself into a state of unconsciousness.

The new destination will be 2x daily with EV.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Those are definitely false,

And you know this because??

We are getting our butts kicked in Dallas. It is entirely conceiveable and probable that if we can't make money in the market, we're going to pull back in a major way.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 18):
And you know this because??

We are getting our butts kicked in Dallas. It is entirely conceiveable and probable that if we can't make money in the market, we're going to pull back in a major way.

Remember: The schedules are not finalised yet!
Looking at the schedule on the date given in the first post, I count the following flights from DFW:
ATL: 2 M88, 3 738, 2 757, 2 763, a total of 9 mainline flights. Not as much as they are today, but far from the 5 mainline and 12 RJs.
CVG: 1 732, 1 CR7, 2 CRJ
SLC: 3 MD-90, 1 CR7
Quite a difference to the first post, right?


User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

DAL767400ER...re-read the bottom statement for which I posted in the first post.

You are correct about what the schedule shows, but if you don't have access to DLterm, inter-company booking engine...you won't see that the allowable bookings left on 7 of the DFW-ATL flights have been zeroed in all coach classes of bookings i.e B,Q,M,H,L,U. These flights are only available to book up to an additional 15 bookings. Like I stated also, regardless of what you see or where you get your information, this very well could be due to the schedules/aircrafts being still worked...or...a possible major mainline cutback in DFW for Delta. As for 9 DFW-ATL flights, it is down 2 from what we currently offer today.



Solodude!
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

Quoting N839MH (Reply 20):
you won't see that the allowable bookings left on 7 of the DFW-ATL flights have been zeroed in all coach classes of bookings i.e B,Q,M,H,L,U.

This is because the schedule isn't finalized yet. You will notice all through the system that "new flights" that are part of the Dec 05 changes aren't bookable outside of F/A and in some cases Y class.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

DeltaMia....thanks...I was thinking that might be the reason...but here in DFW, lots of rumors.


Solodude!
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6566 times:
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I hope they're building some more hotels in Cozumel to cope with all the increased service they're getting this winter.

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