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DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees  
User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/ap_on_bi_ge/delta_bankruptcy

very sad

ATLANTA - Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest carrier, said Thursday it will cut up to 9,000 jobs, reduce employee pay and make changes to its network to focus more on international flying as it moves swiftly to restructure its costs in bankruptcy.


The changes are part of the airline's effort to achieve an additional $3 billion in annual cost savings by the end of 2007. That's on top of $5 billion in annual savings Delta had previously said it wanted to achieve by the end of 2006.


Plus MORE pay cuts!

[Edited 2005-09-22 15:20:52]

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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3045 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

From the article DAL plans to cut flights by 15%-20% that equates to about a 9,000 employee change if you go by the 52,000 employee number that is listed in the article.
Also noteworthy is that DAL has cut 24,000 since 9-11 but does not indicate if any of that was outsourced (as in customer service and reservations). In any case 9,000 and 24,000 makes 31,000 employee change since 9-11 and leaves 43,000 employed.
If those numbers are correct that is about a 45% drop in employees since 9-11.

Okie


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Another point that was brought out is that DL will be eliminating over 100 jets from its fleet. I wonder if this is in addition to the existing fleet retirements that were previosly announced (B723, B733, B733G & B762)? If so, hopefully they are targeting the high CSM RJs that were a major contributor to their financial condition.


Tailwinds!!!
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5295 times:

Quoting Okie (Reply 1):
If those numbers are correct that is about a 45% drop in employees since 9-11.

this has happend in other industries also, take a look at companies like Lucent Technologies and Nortel Networks, both of whom have laid off between them probably close to 100,000 workers!!



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

This does not say anything about the pilot group..... are they status quo... or are they expected to have another round of DL Kool Aid..... and I am asuming the "topped out" CSA's are taking another 10 percent paycut.. Can anyone share the Grinstein memo..????


Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

anyone in here know what the top out is at delta in customer service???


bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Fleet reduction will be from the previously announced reductions. The Types gone are 732, 733, 733Glass(shuttle),and 762. That leaves us with 738, MD88, MD90, 757, 763, 764, 777. The MD are to be retired begining in 2010 or 2012 I think.

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 5):
anyone in here know what the top out is at delta in customer service???

Happened about 10 years ago.... customer service at DL has been fading since then....



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineDL763DFW From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Top out rate for a regular CSA is $3,340.80 a month. Take off another 9% from that.... you're gonna see mass exodus from DAL. I myself plan on staying as long as I can bear it. The way I see it, the more people quit, the more I move up in seniority and move into vacated positions. Best of luck to those who move on to pursue other careers.

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

so about $17 an hour topped out ......WOW..... this is going to be interesting....


Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
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Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 6):
Fleet reduction will be from the previously announced reductions. The Types gone are 732, 733, 733Glass(shuttle),and 762. That leaves us with 738, MD88, MD90, 757, 763, 764, 777. The MD are to be retired begining in 2010 or 2012 I think.

Any speculation on what will replace the Mad Dogs ? DL flies quite a few of them (not as many as AA, but still quite a few) .... is this where 738's will eventually be assigned? DL still has 738's on order, correct?

I'll sure miss 'em, that's for sure ... quiet, reliable, fairly comfortable (if you're on the 2-seat side), they're great planes.

- litz


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

You make it sound as if DL will keep the same number of planes, yet layoff thousands. They're not. They're reducing the size of their domestic network.
If a company has less infrastructure to support then obviously they will need less employees to provide that support.



The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

It may be that everyone else has to pick up the slack.



Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineBNAflyer78 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

That doesn't make any sense....Obviously if they are laying off thousands of people, they aren't "working as before." What they are doing is streamlining their operations so they CAN continue to operate - but certainly not as before. That's the whole point of going through this process - to make changes to a system that wasn't working.



Long live the Widget!
User currently offlineDL763DFW From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

The word is they're reducing domestic capacity by somewhere around 20-25%. In turn, they're increasing international capacity by the same number. We've been told the Atlanta operation will not be downsized as far as employees go, and that the 9,000 workers will come from middle management and outstations.

It never did seem like much sense to keep actual Delta ramp employees in cities like HNL, ORD, MSY, and DFW when you only fly small aircraft a few times a day.


User currently offlineBNAflyer78 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):
We've been told the Atlanta operation will not be downsized as far as employees go, and that the 9,000 workers will come from middle management and outstations.

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlan...005/09/19/daily26.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Summary:
"Bankrupt Delta will eliminate 7,000 to 9,000 jobs (17% of its total workforce) by the end of 2007. Of those cuts, about 25% -- 1,750 to 2,250 jobs -- will come from metro Atlanta, Delta Chief Financial Officer Edward Bastian said today at a committee meeting at Georgia's capitol.



Long live the Widget!
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):
The word is they're reducing domestic capacity by somewhere around 20-25%. In turn, they're increasing international capacity by the same number.

I hope reducing all that domestic capacity won't effect their international bookings. Now because they reduced my home airport (MOB) to three flights a day, it pretty much makes it impossible to get back to MOB the same day you arrive in ATL or JFK for that matter. But they are right for increasing international routes substantially.



/// U N I T E D
User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):

It never did seem like much sense to keep actual Delta ramp employees in cities like HNL, ORD, MSY, and DFW when you only fly small aircraft a few times a day

So "outstations"...???? SEA, PDX, DFW will loose ramp.... I hought DGS already did ramp in DFW...???? I I hear DGS will take over ramp in SEA..???

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):
We've been told

Told by whom?



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Thread starter):
very sad

um why? These cutbacks and more are expected....part of the process of entering bankruptcy protection....not really breaking news.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

The reduction in force comes from grounding aircraft. All of "these people" were involved in supporting the 100 or so soon-to-be-grounded aircraft.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

I suppose the good out of this is that domestic capacity goes down, which this country needs badly. Maybe if Indy folds too we could see a bit of an upturn in the market. Anything helps I suppose.

User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

What about places like PVD/MHT? I know that There was talk already becuase of the $$ they put into the new A terminal at logan. I wonder if PVD will loose their 757 service? Some downgrades? And MHT? Will they completly close this station? or downgrade service. And I'm sure theres many other metro areas in the country that have the same problems.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 19):
um why? These cutbacks and more are expected....part of the process of entering bankruptcy protection....not really breaking news.

It may be expected, however I like the thread starter still find it saddening that thousands of people may lose their jobs and along with it their livelyhood,
for something that is essentially not their doing nor their fault.



Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Not only are we going to take a 9% pay cut, but there are going to be cuts with our insurance coverage-though right now we don't know if or how much the coverage for doctor visits and prescription coverage will be affected. We also found out that wherever you stand in regards to the pension plan, that is where you will stay, no more percentages added on. Vacations will max out at 4 week(unless you are already are at 5 weeks). The accrument of sick days now stops. You will now be receiving 5 personal days per year. If you already have a bank of sick days, you will not lose them. If you are hurt on the job, you will have to go on disability, there will be no more OJI payments. As a Delta spouse, there will be no insurance paid if something were to happen to my husband. Our 401K plan will continue to have company contributions(now in cash rather than in Delta stock as it was in the past-personally I think that is better). Granted this is pretty bad, but in the light of what is happening right now in New Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile, and soon in Texas, is isn't devastating.

25 1MillionFlyer : I agree it's not shocking just sad for the people affected
26 OttoPylit : Don't forget that they have to now pay $50 a year for flight benefits. Thats better than having to pay $10 a segment or however they used to do it. It
27 Lono : Otto.... get out you won't regret it.... Otto..... I have some of my old ramp rat buds in some of these towns.... what is going to happen to them....
28 OttoPylit : Not so much that I don't want to stay, I just couldn't afford to. I'm taking a pay cut, then 2 months later, getting a raise that was also cut, bring
29 Lono : My thoughts and prayers are with you and all my DL friends.... I hope for the best for DL...... GO WIDGET!!!!
30 Lono : I just talked with one of my friends in SEA (dept 120).. they are gone Feb 1st... Sad sad ... prayers are in order for these lost jobs...
31 OttoPylit : Are they gone as in direct furlough? Or gone as in displaced at that time? I would think they would displace the workers and give them the option of
32 Lono : Gone as in there will be no department 120 in SEA.... outsourced to DLG.... they were given LGA and JFK as cities to work in.... but you can't live o
33 Bucky707 : thats not exactly true. An imposed contract means the union is free to strike. And trust me, the Delta pilots are willing to strike. Delta doesn't wa
34 Lono : OH Yeah.... the message said "Your services will no longer be required in this station effective February 1 2006" The choices given was to work in LGA
35 Alitalia744 : Otto, stick with it! Thanks for the always informative posts, welcome to my RU list.
36 Post contains links OttoPylit : True, but I dare them to offer me that. If they offer me 13 weeks paid and 3 yrs non-rev benefits, you can let the door hit me in the ass on the way
37 Deltadude8 : 2250 of the 9000 employees to go will either be from Inflight Services in general or it is 2250 flight attendants...I don't remember what my F/A frien
38 777Purser : I am terribly sorry to hear about this mess. How do they work their urloughs? Reverse seniority? How senior do they need to be to keep their jobs? An
39 Rainbird : Inflight is eliminating the auxiliary program which an FA with 10 years of service can fly half the monthly schedule or less. There are about 1650 FA'
40 777Purser : Good to hear they will try to minimize furloughs through this system. Considering FA's at say, AA serve reserve up to 16 years seniority, 3 full mont
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