PassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15192 times:
The announcement will be that Virgin America is buying their certificate and taking over their airbuses.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15179 times:
My guess its a 3 word phase
(wheel of fortune theme)
" Chapter __________ Bankrupcy"
Who wants to help solve this puzzle?
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15148 times:
Hmmm.. moving their operation elsewhere with new financing.. returning all the CRJ... picking up $200 Mil financing, 8x 320, 10x E90, and 25x E70 through GE..
PassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15133 times:
They do!, and the Virgin name is being licensed byt he Virgin Group of the United Kingdom.
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15097 times:
The Virgin America theory makes sense to me. Virgin America has been silent about its plans -- can't blame them with the condition of the industry. Still, this would be one way to kickstart plans -- while getting rid of a competitor.
PassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15061 times:
Could this be the reason Kerry Skeen & Tom Moore have been in SFO
for the last 3 days?
CV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15011 times:
Branston's just sitting back watching what will be the fall out of the current CH11 sagas and can then cherry pick what he wants and pick it up at rock bottom prices.
One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14959 times:
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10452 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14931 times:
Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 11): Branston's just sitting back watching what will be the fall out of the current CH11 sagas and can then cherry pick what he wants and pick it up at rock bottom prices.
Branston? I think it's Branson. In any case, if a UK national uses his money to prop up a low fares airline in the US, isn't that a subsidy?
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4003 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14834 times:
Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 10): Could this be the reason Kerry Skeen & Tom Moore have been in SFO
for the last 3 days?
Considering Virgin America's corporate HQ is in NYC, I don't think so.
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14802 times:
Yes, but the Virgin America ops center is located in SFO.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8739 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14717 times:
Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6): Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 4):
The announcement will be that Virgin America is buying their certificate and taking over their airbuses
Virgin America must first have investors that are U.S. citizens
It could be a huge "loan" type offer like the one that WN made to ATA which made them a controlling partner. Virgin American could give a lot of money to Independence Air and rename and reform the airline. The company could somewhat stay intact with the owners of the current Independence Air having 51% share. If I had invested in Independence Air, then I would certainly approve of this deal since it is one of the few ways to possibly bail out and save the doomed carrier. The most valuable asset that Independece Air has is its operating certificate and that might be (partially) up for sale.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14617 times:
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14566 times:
Given that the thread starter is an Independence employee and doesn't appear to be negative, I think the "big announcement" will be along the lines that they found an investor/buyer and not a Chapter 7 nor Chapter 11 announcement. It seems to me that they wouldn't "leak" that they were liquidating/Chapter 7 in a "few days" because too many employees and equipment would be stranded and not inclined to come to work. Theft and pilfering could become an issue should employees have advanced notice of a shutdown.
Of course, how much does a single CSR really know about big decisions in the company?!
FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3095 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14567 times:
Can you say 7, I knew you could. It would be about time that would happen. They barely had a plan to operate as a LCC, let alone a plan to manage a Ch. 11 BK filing. I see some pretty liquid assets in the very near future. The A gates would be more than likely turned over to MWAA and then redistrubited to other airlines.
IflyI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14565 times:
Not chapter _______.....it is something to announce the closure of a few cities and the adding of a couple new stations. One station will be "International" although you do not need a passport. It is not in Canada and requires an Airbus.....Not a BK file. Trust me.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5526 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14520 times:
Independence Air will change their name to Dependent Air.
Maybe they'll rename the airline DC Air, Eastern or People Express.
Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14483 times:
Quoting IflyI (Reply 21): it is something to announce the closure of a few cities and the adding of a couple new stations. One station will be "International" although you do not need a passport. It is not in Canada and requires an Airbus...
Just my speculation, but the new Mexico-US agreement means that IAD-CUN will likely be the international route. I imagine that would be a lot more successful than IAD-NAS or IAD-FPO.. and either of those two could have been announced months ago.
As for other additions/subtractions, one has to think SEA would be on the chopping block with the transcon reductions. Maybe SFO and LAS too. As for additions, I'd guess DFW, IAH, STL, and/or SRQ.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10452 posts, RR: 20 Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14424 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 22): Maybe they'll rename the airline DC Air, Eastern or People Express.
I kinda like "Pan Am Mk IV" myself...
Inspiration, move me brightly!
25 Isitsafenow: Branson is in Missouri, isn't it? I think merger is what INDY AIR has in mind. You do not hint you have a major announcment soon and then say " we're
26 Malaysia: I saw Aeromexico Codeshare on Independence Air departures, or someone on the Departure screen got it mixed up and accidentally added it to DH instead
27 FlyCMH: More than you might think buddy, more than you might think... Shush...let the masses keep guessing.
28 Malaysia: Here it is ! all I see is Acapulco and Cancun and others.
29 StevenUhl777: I'd like to pick an S, a V, and an N. I'll buy a vowel...E!
30 Airbuff: If people claim to be in the know, why the guessing games??? Spill what you have and when the announcement comes out we will be able to determine how
31 Kohflot: Dulles-Chiang Mai nonstop? heh heh heh
32 Malaysia: and a continuation to BKK one day back to IAD from BKK and from CNX other day. to pick up oh never mind, this wont go anywhere.
33 Mariner: Tricky, Kohflot. Very tricky. The new bilateral terms have been agreed but not signed. When it is (signed), an airline will still have to apply for t
34 IflyI: It is again a secret for those who have not yet read it.[Edited 2005-09-22 22:22:39]
35 Bicoastal: SJU...."International"???? Residents of Puerto Rico are full blown citizens of the United States with a delegate in the US Congress. It may not be a
36 Malaysia: LGA instead of JFK is a poor move, a lot of people had manually interlined to international flights via JFK on DH. especially SA, LY, CX, TG, CI, VS,
37 Kohflot: IflyI, remind me never to tell you any secrets.......
38 IflyI: no, it is not international, that is why it was in quotes. It is not one of the 50 states tho.
39 Gift4tbone: Well, if you ask me, it won't be chapter 11 or chapter 7. If as someone suggested, it'd new intl service, that doesn't require a passport. Anywhere in
40 Malaysia: Why can you still book SFO or JFK in January 06 anyway? on flyi.com if you say no ops after NOV 30?
41 IflyI: you can book because the new schedule has not been posted yet. This happens in the next few days. Jason in SAV
42 Bicoastal: United's winter daily flight to San Juan on Ted restarts on December 18. (I believe it's Saturday only in the off season). They'll likely move up the
43 PVD757: Well THAT just narrowed it down... Not Canada, not the 50 States, needs a 319. STT or SJU maybe NAS or FPO (don't thinbk you need a passport for thos
44 Malaysia: I heard they will pull out of SAV effective October 31
45 TPASXM787: This is all terrific. Yay. But don't planes and fuel cost money, something which indy air has none of? http://financial.washingtonpost.com/...3.xml&S
47 SHUPirate1: This is Incompetence Air we're talking about here...I'd go with the S, V, N, and the E for vowels, but I'm not sure that they have enough money to pa
48 N908AW: Egads... are they taking the defunct carrier's last stand and bringing the A319s to the Caribbean?
49 Aa757first: I'm kinda shady on this area, but I believe that Chicago Express, the former regional affiliate for ATA, put itself up for sale. It included somethin
50 PassBureauMgr: Chicago Express a commuter operator is different, and carries a different type of certifacte than a carrier such as FLYi. HP got its start from buyin
51 Aer: Tell you what, instead of SJO put GUA, that way they won´t feel the wrath of TA. =)
52 Flyibaby: Actually Virgin America would be smart to keep a slimmed down version of the IAD hub. Independence already has a huge base of travelers, with frequent
53 Wnfan333: Is this whole Virgin America/Flyi thing a joke or is this for real????
54 PassBureauMgr: Remember Sir Richard said about 10 days ago that within 2-3 weeks he would have more info to release on Virgin America.
55 IADMGR: Airbuff......this one's for you.... IND, SWF, JFK, SDF, and CLE will all be cut. SJC is a possibility. All west coast flying will stop by December 1.
56 Malaysia: I wish FLYI becomes Virgin America, if thats really true. rather than become defunct completely
57 Flyibaby: Before anyone says anything...IADMGR meant SJU, not SJC as it was already cut. ...or I presume they meant it.
59 BoeingBus: Parents flew Indy air today from PVD and the plane was practically empty. dunno... I can picture Virgin getting a piece as it would make a whole lot o
60 USADreamliner: Thy are going back with UA? Dependence Air maybe?? Salute USADreamliner
61 Airbuff: Thanks for that IADMGR. Thats a shame. I was hoping for the Virgin America angle.
62 COERJ145: I wouldn't be surprised if MHT/PVD/BDL were cut, maybe PWM.
63 Flight7E7: It's gotta be Branson... Hey, as long as the regulatory approvals are appropriately in place let's support it! The man is unarguably one of the most s
64 Flightopsguy: So where will they get the $$ to open new stations, and train the crews for overwater ops to SJU? (I know, there is ONE non-overwater route to SJU). D
65 Motif1: September 23, 2005 Independence Air plans major changes By Jennifer Ginsberg Staff writer Yeager Airport passengers flying on Independence Air will so
66 Malaysia: I beleive DH now has the 162m exception approved already I think they had it done a few months back in regard to possibly SJU and bit faster flights
67 Burnsie28: From what I understand is that they dont have enough money to go into Chapter 11. Which means going to Chapter 7
68 GMUAirbusA320: Burnsie, Didn't you read the aforementioned post from the WV Gazette? That's the plan for DH now, how can I confirm it? I'm a DH employee. There is o
69 IADMGR: I did mean SJU....San Juan....sorry about that. IA could have 100% load factor to LAX but the airbus will make a better and bigger profit if routed al
71 Bicoastal: Hmm....Independence Air must be the first airline to plan/hope for a load factor of just 40% to 50%. Ouch.
72 1MillionFlyer: there load factors are now over 72-79% percent for the past 3 months. where have you been for the past year? http://www.flyi.com/company/pressarchive
73 FutureFO: Hmmm, Load fatcors don't equal profitability. Some airlines are posting 85-90% LF's are not even seeing a profit. The CRJ for them is at 109% LF to br
74 1MillionFlyer: I agree, my point is is that the guy didn't even know DH's load factors and was posting crap. if they had stayed at 45% like the first few months of
75 Jakbar: Glad to hear that LGA is going to get DH service. I assume it'll be CRJs. Do you have any idea what the schedule for LGA will be like? Josh NYCAviati
76 Indy: Or a guess game... pick a number between 7 & 11. If they are going to drop routes they will probably drop IND. With the light operation they have her
77 Jr: 9 and 1/3? Are they going to start service to LOL, OMG, and WTF? ok ok... just kidding. I really do hope they make it, but am just not convinced... b
78 Bicoastal: Huh? I was quoting IADMGR's statement. I don't have any idea what Independence's load factor is. Obviously, though, it's not enough to make money. Ot
79 Indy: HAHA. I about choked on my drink. You should make that your siggy on here.
80 DLKAPA: Methinks this one's too little too late.
81 Rjnut: I love how all these people have enjoyed bashing INdy air for going independent rather than stay with UAX...Right now at least 5 regionals are being D
82 DLKAPA: Like it or not, going independant wasn't a smart move. While flying under contract with UA, they were guaranteed a steady cash flow, and on top of th
83 7E72004: the same thing happened when US was going thru bankruptcy...they talked about how US would be dead w/in months or even weeks...and look now. Granted t
84 RJNUT: DLKAPA What do you mean ""Just do what United says " and you will be fine.. You need to wake up man! Thays not how it works and you arent acknowledlin
85 FutureFO: LGA will be 2 A319's a day. No big competition to UA/DL/US out of the DC area. Sean from MCO and IND
86 Flyibaby: Burnie...c'mon man..get a clue. They are saying that to markets like CLT, PIT, and LGA, they can run an A319 at a 40% LF and MAKE MONEY. This is why
87 DLKAPA: US had a reputation, DH does not. That and US's CASM hasn't ever topped 10 cents. First of all, you need to stop posting when you're drunk. Second, D
88 Mariner: I do not know of any airline presently operating in the United States that can make money on a 40% load factor. cheers mariner
89 Lindy: But how they will fill up A319 to La Guardia? Right now only Air Wisconsin is flying IAD-LGA 5 times a day in CRJ. Back when I was working at IAD for
90 EA CO AS: DLKAPA's exactly right - when acting as a regional for UA, they were simply a small-jet provider; they sold lift to UA on a cost-plus basis, guarante
91 DAL767400ER: You can't tell me you actually believe that?!? No airline could profitably operate flights at 40% loads, especially not FlyI with their too-low fares
92 PVD757: Looks like PVD/BDL/MHT all go down to 3X CRJ to IAD in November...
93 IflyI: All cities will be affected. Every city will see a drop in flights. JFK, IND, SWF, SDF, and CLE close on Oct. 30 and SEA and SFO close on Nov. 30. Bel
94 Bicoastal: This is the only hope for Independence yet analysts say that Independence's chances to receive any compensation from United are remote at best. As a
95 JetBluefan1: Anyone see B6 launching IAD-JFK now that FlyI is pulling it? JetBluefan1
96 TPAnx: Tampa Tribune this morning (Sat) reports that Indy will curtail flights to Cleveland, Louisville, and Newburgh,NY, and move ops from JFK to LGA as of
97 KcrwFlyer: According to that list, CRW wont loose any. We already have 3.
98 IflyI: KCRW.......correct, however I believe I heard that staffing levels will change there.....not too sure why though. Jason in SAV
99 KcrwFlyer: maybe they still have the staff that was once handling 6 flights here? That could justify a staff reduction.
100 ERJ170: WOW.. RDU has fallen from 11 (or was it 12 initially) daily flights to 3!!! Crazy..
101 KcrwFlyer: is BOS really that strong?[Edited 2005-09-24 17:47:35]
103 Bohica: I'm surprised B6 didn't start JFK-IAD several years ago. Once the E190 comes online they might start that route but who knows?
104 Wr70beh: I thought LAS only had 2 flights. One in the morning and one in the evening.
105 Malaysia: I have realized, and searched online, cannot find one hint about Virgin USA and Virgin America ever talking or meeting with Independence Air. Where di
106 Hiflyer: USAir had the same rumors when it looked bleak. I would bet that it is running around inside Delta as well since Fred Reid is involved. This particul
107 Mariner: The rumors began at around the time ACA had announced the change to IAir. At that time, Sir Richard was making the rounds of US airports - and meetin
108 PlaneSmart: Spot on Mariner. SRB is a good businessman, but he's an even better leader. It's much easier to create a culture in a new business than change one in
109 Malaysia: Awww shucks a shame that its just a rumor and Branson never took Independence Air. I remember in the Neeleman book, about him giving Branson a jetblue
110 Flyibaby: I don't think anything could look worse that Virgin Blue's colors. Ugh! It is very possible when the fares into these markets are neccessarily "low-f
111 KcrwFlyer: What do you think they should do with their route structure?
112 Malaysia: I heard that DH cannot do Codeshares before Baggage Interlining can even start. Its due to technical issues, the system they use is a closed system,
113 Mariner: I repeat, I know of no airline operating in the United States that is making a profit on a 40% load factor. If your statements were true, then Airtra
114 Flyibaby: To be perfectly honest, they need to drop more markets. I applaud their efforts to salvage the ship, but they need to start cherry picking and go fro
115 KcrwFlyer: No more RJ's, and no more small cities?
116 Lindy: Sorry Biocoastal, I'd rather drive than fly UAX or AE from DC to JFK. I don't fly internationaly out of JFK anymore (used to a lot), but many of my c
117 Mariner: Airtran may be "cleaning up" at CLT, but they're not doing it on a 40% load factor. Frontier and Airtran are both cleaning up at CAK - not a famous l
118 Malaysia: that was already suggested to DH, but the airlines interested in codesharing with DH, well I mean DH did not have interest in pre-purchase blocks of
119 Flyibaby: Funny you should mention that, because ACA didn't announce anything about going solo until about 8/1/2003. All summer...gasp!! Again...wasn't announc
120 Flyibaby: No more RJs...and no more small cities. Right now they are parking the RJs..finally...but not doing it fast enough. Small cities could stay in the mi
121 Mariner: Not end of discussion. You've even got that wrong, because the formal announcement was 7/28/'03:: http://www.flyi.com/company/pressarchive/2003/july/
122 Kaputt: They should have done that from the start.
123 Flyibaby: Learn to read...I said ABOUT 8/1/2003. So OMG..I am all of 3 days off without looking up a company press release. Are you seriously gonna hold three
124 KcrwFlyer: Could we have 1 a319, or would we just be lost and forgotten?
125 Flyibaby: Unless CRW hands out a nice subsidy to keep competiton in town, CRW won't see an A319, even once a day. I'm sure they won't want to have to close cit
126 KcrwFlyer: One flight per day is basically useless in a situation like this. Too bad they dont pick up some embraers, or Crj-900. And they havent flown here sin
127 Mariner: if you're quoting figures, I expect you to get them right. It isn't hard. I had links. Yes, they did. I was discussing the probable breakaway with AC
128 Flyibaby: Agreed with the uselessness. I doubt the company wants anything to do with any sort of regional jet at this point. I do however know that the Bombard
129 KcrwFlyer: Ohh, yes they have been here since day one I believe.
130 A330323X: You keep mentioning these $299 fares. Now flyi.com isn't the friendliest website in the world, but it sure seems to me that their full fare in the CL
131 Malaysia: the CRJ-900 exists does it? mesa flies them for HP, its a CRJ-200 much longer than the 700 version.
133 DCA-ROCguy: I'm too busy to post much these days, but I keep reading our board, and wanted to pipe into this discussion briefly. Clearly, you don't remember my st
134 Malaysia: FLYIBABY was referring the new proposed Bombardier BRJ, the underwing engine plane as a Bombardier 900, but the 900 is a CRJ-900 and exists already.
135 Mariner: The short, easy answer is "no". It doesn't involve hindsight because a lot of people were giving warnings form the git-go, but it ignores the reality
136 DCA-ROCguy: But - it almost doesn't matter now. The money's gone. The dreams are (almost) shattered. I think Mr. Skeen's ego is all that is left - somehow, in his
137 RJ777: If you look at that route map, it says 777LR and A330 routes. And in 2010? What is going on here?[Edited 2005-09-26 23:12:44]
138 Malaysia: HAHA HAHA I think it was changed to 767-200ER instead of the A330-200
139 KcrwFlyer: It's fine this is routine. I thought that CHS was alot bigger than us.
140 Hiflyer: Research I have found is that Skeen came from a midlevel job at DAL to Atlantic Coast, put it in bed with United and joined up with Acker, and operat
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