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Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction  
User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

In DL's Accelerated Transformation Plan, it is mentioned that DL has already voided the leases on 40 mainline aircraft. In addition it states that they plan to reduce the mainline fleet by another 80+ aircraft.

I am sure that the total includes all the 732's and 733's, plus the 762's they sold to ABX. That is a total of 75 aircraft, which means there is about another 45 to go. Anyone from DL know what other aircraft types are to be included?

[Edited 2005-09-22 21:11:14]


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

The bankruptcy filings by DL so far have DL have DL termiinating the leases and returning some MD-11s, some 727-200s and 30 FRJ 328s.

I am sure they will be filing for some more lease terminations soon.


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
some 727-200s

Did you mean 737-200's?


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Due to this reduction which mainline routes will go offline, any news on that?


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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

Quoting Pbiflyer (Thread starter):
it is mentioned that DL has already voided the leases on 40 mainline aircraft. In addition it states that they plan to reduce the mainline fleet by another 80+ aircraft.

The 40 aircraft already voided are aircraft that are not currently flying for DL. MD-11 and the Dornier Jets.

The remaining 762s, 732s, 733s, and 73Gs (thats a 737-300 with a glass cockpit for all you non DL types) amounts to just about 70 aircraft.


User currently offlinePbiflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 4):
The 40 aircraft already voided are aircraft that are not currently flying for DL. MD-11 and the Dornier Jets.

I did not count the Dornier Jets since the comment in the plan was pertaining to mainline. If this is the case then there are only about 10 aircraft that are not accounted for in the total reduction of 120. Could that probably be the 16 M90's? That makes 126, but close to the total, since the plan mentioned 80+ more in addition to the 40 already gone.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 667 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Quoting Pbiflyer (Reply 5):
If this is the case then there are only about 10 aircraft that are not accounted for in the total reduction of 120. Could that probably be the 16 M90's? That makes 126, but close to the total, since the plan mentioned 80+ more in addition to the 40 already gone.

Dl could dump some leases from the 763 non ER's as hey have about 24 of those on lease, or they could be dumping the 8 ATR-72's that they have on lease and just be rounding up. Just my thoughts.

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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting Pbiflyer (Thread starter):
I am sure that the total includes all the 732's and 733's, plus the 762's they sold to ABX. That is a total of 75 aircraft, which means there is about another 45 to go. Anyone from DL know what other aircraft types are to be included?

DL will be accelerating disposal of all their older 737's - most of which are scheduled for expensive corrosion inspections in the next 12 months.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

What happens to the spirit of delta? The employees bought that one...


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6230 times:
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I understood the article on Yahoo to be an additional 80 aircraft. If this is so, I'd see them removing the M90s and some M80's so they can have an all Boeing 7series fleet. Just my 2cents.

LACA773


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
What happens to the spirit of delta? The employees bought that one...

Goes into the DL museum ...???



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
I understood the article on Yahoo to be an additional 80 aircraft. If this is so, I'd see them removing the M90s and some M80's so they can have an all Boeing 7series fleet

The fleet is being simplified to 7 types: M88, M90, 738, 757, 763, 764, 777



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5984 times:
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Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11):

Which a/c will be the additional 40 or 80?

LACA773


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
727-200s and 30 FRJ 328s

uhh? what's frj 328?? wasn't that a Dornier? and DL doesn't have those...
And the 727's have gone away long time ago.Are you sure you are talking about DL?


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5598 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 13):
uhh? what's frj 328?? wasn't that a Dornier? and DL doesn't have those...

Although the 328s were operated by a regional, the leases were in Delta's name.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 13):
uhh? what's frj 328?? wasn't that a Dornier? and DL doesn't have those...

As per their contract with ACA, they were forced to take over the leases for the 328s when they dropped ACA as partner due to ACA restarting as FlyI.

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 13):
And the 727's have gone away long time ago.Are you sure you are talking about DL?

While I also suspect it was simply a typo, just because a plane type is retired doesn't mean the leases are also over. DL had to pay all leasing costs for their 7 leased MD-11s, despite them being retired, and those leases have now been rejected, and the MD-11 is finally gone from DL's portfolio.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

How does this fleet reduction work with a possible NW fleet merger?

User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 16):
How does this fleet reduction work with a possible NW fleet merger?

Let's see:

DL has 738, M88, M90, 757, 763, 777
NW has D9, D10, 319, 320, 330, 757, 747

I believe for NW D9s and D10s will go out the door as planned. Still there is plenty of overlap.



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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4777 times:
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Plenty of overlap? I'm hoping you mean conflict. The only commonality between NW and DL fleets is 757, and even then, I'm not sure they have the same engines. (Do they?)

User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

quote=Pbiflyer,reply=0]In addition it states that they plan to reduce the mainline fleet by another 80+ aircraft[/quote]

What about the MDs? Together they have 79 MD-88s and MD-90s. I It would make sense to retire those aswell.

I can see this fleet for DL soon:

737-800
757-200
767-300ER
767-400ER
777-200ER



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User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Problem with dumping the MDs is they are dumping 79 jets with good capacity. Not sure that if they dump these along with the 732s and 733s they would have adequate coverage.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
DL will be accelerating disposal of all their older 737's - most of which are scheduled for expensive corrosion inspections in the next 12 months.

Age will have much to do with what they retire/reject.

Anything coming up for a heavy check will be rejected to save cash, unless they just can't live without it.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Maybe UA can do a single-aisle swap with NW and give them their old 733 and 735 and get NW's new A319 and A320 in return  Big grin

The fleets of DL and NW may be a little closer than; engines?


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 19):
What about the MDs? Together they have 79 MD-88s and MD-90s. I It would make sense to retire those aswell.

Just to clarify it is 136.
120 M88's and 16 M90's.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
Which a/c will be the additional 40 or 80?

The 80 are the active 732's, 733's and 762's. The 40 are the FRJ's and M11's.



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User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Aren't the MD11's with World Airways??
And is ship 802 in active duty again?



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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

I am surprised that they are keeping the small fleet of M90's. Are they
just too valuable on their hot and high SLC routes, or is it that they
would have a hard time selling them due to the low number of M90's
built and they are no longer in production?



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
25 Post contains images Ikramerica : Sure would make sense when CO buys them...
26 Omoo : According to the AJC..... DL is changing from 11 to 7 types of aircrafts and increasing international frequency, while at the same time cutting CEO pa
27 Fokkerf28 : With so many aircraft retiring or being taken out of service, how many pilots are going to get furloughed?
28 Post contains images SESGDL : And inherits DL's $28 billion in debt. Jeremy
29 LawnDart : Give or take a billion...and besides, that's why they're in CH11 - to reduce their debt!
30 Db373 : With what money?
31 LACA773 : I agree with this as well. Since they will be reducing a lot of service according to all the news reports on this topic, it just makes since this is
32 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : UA has different engines, non-containerized A320's. Also UA would have to spend a lot of money on training for their fuelers. All UA baby buses can b
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