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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

OK, let's not get into the whether or how, but let's just assume something happens and these four airlines are involved in separate mergers, as above.

Taking the second first, as it's the easier of the two to work through. You can see that both DL and CO are working towards the same fleet strategy - 777, 764, 757/767 and 73NG. The fact that the 777s and 757s is not likely to cause huge trouble. The only major problem I can foresee is that both CO and DL have dominant positions at the two NY airports and that may have to change.

And now the big one. I have a vision of the head of AA's fleet planning division being brought into Don Carty's office, sat down and given a drink. And being told that his lovely fleet plans, carefully worked out over long hours, are in tatters and now he has to work on NW's fleet. And he bursts into tears.

But seriously, the main aim will be to get a fleet which comprises thirteen different types (pilot type ratings) down to about five. These five are likely to be the 744/744X (as NW already has a strong Pacific network, which will need 747s), 773X/772 (the 773X being an ideal replacement for NW's 747-200s), a 200-250 seater, the 757 (the only common type), the 737NG and the F100.

The F100 should stay as it is a fairly new aircraft, but there's no sense in selling them as the collapse of Fokker left them with a low resale value. Anyway, they would make a good replacement for some of NW's DC9s. The 727s and A320s would have to go, much as many people like the 320s. They may not go immediately and most efforts would go towards replacing the DC9s. However, there is no way the 737NG would give way.

However, and finally, Airbus could well find a place in the 250 seat category, the AB6s being returned and the A332 replacing them and the DC10s and 767-300s.

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

I agree with most of what you are saying. However, the MD-80s should go before the A320s. NW is one of the largest Airbus customers and will have around 150+ Airbuses. The 260+ fleet of MD-80s needs to be replaced first. If AA can fly 75 F-100s then they can fly 150 A320s. Airbus won't find a place in the 250 seat category because the 777-100 could fill that area nicely and it has the same type rating as the 777-200ER/200LR/300ERs that I agree AA/NW will order.

User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

It's all going to be a mess...

User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

We seem to be missing something... the 772 is in the 200-250 seat category! American's 777s originally held 237 passengers. Now, they are removing the following: 2 First Class to make room for the Flagship Suite, 1 row of Business Class (7 seats) to provide extra Business Class seat pitch, and 2 rows of coach (18 seats) to provide more room throughout coach; a total of 27 seats. When all is said and done, American's 772s will seat 210 passengers in a 3-class configuration. The 773 could be used as a larger type if they needed more capacity on some routes to replace the 742.

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