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Ryanair 'on Course' To Serve TFN  
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Source: Travel Trade Gazette.

The market to Tenerife looks set for a radical shake-up as the island earmarks funds to entice a no-frills carrier from the UK to fly to its northern airport.
A subsidy of £1.2 million has been generated by tourism bodies to tempt a no-frills airline to begin services in April 2006. Tenerife North is currently served direct from the UK only by GB Airways.
The island’s hotel and tourism officials confirmed advanced talks had taken place with Ryanair, which has said it could run six return flights a week from Stansted and Nottingham East Midlands, plus flights from two airports in Germany, mainland Spain, and possibly Dublin and Belgium.


This would surely become the longest FR sector, and is a bit of a shift in FR's strategy for shorter duration flights. Any comments?

7LBAC111


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
Tenerife North is currently served direct from the UK only by GB Airways.

And Britannia  Wink



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

But the passengers want to go to TFS, where the sun shines more.

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

I guess it's not beyond the realms of possibility that TFS is chosen. I guess the majority of hoteliers will have property in the south.


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

But how congested is Tenerife South in peak season? Could North be a preferable place for FR to serve if the turnaround times are much quicker - and of course if the incentives are there....


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Ah, but could Ryanair's 738s with de-rated engines make it from the UK to Tenerife nonstop  Wink
I know easyJets 737-700s (with a longer range than the -800) sometimes struggle on NCL-AGP with a full load.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Ah, but could Ryanair's 738s with de-rated engines make it from the UK to Tenerife nonstop
I know easyJets 737-700s (with a longer range than the -800) sometimes struggle on NCL-AGP with a full load

Hmm - perhaps a prelude to FR 787's then? LOL.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Ah, but could Ryanair's 738s with de-rated engines make it from the UK to Tenerife nonstop

It'll be fine - FR will insist on hand luggage only  Wink



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User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Haven't Jet2 got some 752s in the pipeline for this purpose of serving Tenerife from the UK? I could be wrong!

AE733



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Reply 8):
Haven't Jet2 got some 752s in the pipeline for this purpose of serving Tenerife from the UK

Not wrong at all, they have a couple for the LBA-Tenerife run

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 9):
Not wrong at all, they have a couple for the LBA-Tenerife run

Just LBA? IS there that sort of demand from LBA - I thought they might try MAN or LGW?

AE733



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3064 times:
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I have great doubts about this information. My notices, colleagues,... put future Ryanair flights in TFS airport because:

1. TFS is open all day 24 hours. TFN close its facilities at 23:00 hours.

2. The fog isn´t a problem a TFS. When fog come from Teide mountain to the Los Rodeos Airport, many flights must be diverted to TFS.

3. We know that northern european people search in the Canary Island is sun. In TFN you don´t find it.

Sorry, but as I knew when I worked in TFN as a second scale head of JK, many airlines asked for permissions to land in this airport and the answer had been, always, NO!!!!!



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

I do feel like I know a bit about TFN after following ts fortunes for years and holidaying in Puerto De La Cruz many, many times.

I dont think that TFN would be a good destination for Ryanair. Holidaymakers who visit the North are a different breed from those visiting the South of the island.

Instead of sun seeking families, young singles in search of lager and sex in the Veronicas area of Las Americas. The Northern holiday area of Puerto De La Cruz and visitors to the towns of La Orotava and Candelaria are older, more gentile holidaymakers. They dont mind the cloudier weather because they are looking for sighseeing and a differnt type of holiday.

TFN is indeed under served from the UK. However, I feel an increase in charter flights would better suit the area rather than a lo-cost carrier, particulalry Ryanair.

I must admit, While very concerned at the lack of visitors to the North of Tenerfie in recent years, I would be sad to see the area overrun with cheap and cheeerful Ryanair holidaymakers changing the area beyond recognition and perhaps turning away the older holidaymaker who has been returning to Puerto De La Cruz for years!


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Ah, but could Ryanair's 738s with de-rated engines make it from the UK to Tenerife nonstop
I know easyJets 737-700s (with a longer range than the -800) sometimes struggle on NCL-AGP with a full load.

AMS-FNC is 1504 nm, flown by HV in a 737 (-7 or -8)
STN-TFN is 1588 nm. Not such a huge difference, yet it might be just at the limit of the 737's range.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 13):
AMS-FNC is 1504 nm, flown by HV in a 737 (-7 or -8)
STN-TFN is 1588 nm. Not such a huge difference, yet it might be just at the limit of the 737's range.

It's extremely easy for a normal 737, but Ryanair and easyJet 737s for example, use de-rated engines therefore the range is less.
Airlines such as Excel and flyGlobespan operate 738s nonstop from GLA to TFS with no problems.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

RAFVC10 has raised some very good points. I cant see Ryanair being happy at being 'trapped' in TFN waiting for the dense fog/cloud to lift which often descends upon the airport. Imagine the knock on effect on Ryanairs tight schedule?

Also raised a good point about the nature f tourism in the North. Sunseeking, lager swilling revellers would find little to amuse them in the North.

North and South Tenerife are two very different markets!


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 11):
I have great doubts about this information. My notices, colleagues,... put future Ryanair flights in TFS airport because:

Draw your own conclusions, but I have aclnowledged the likelihood of TFS already.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 3):
guess it's not beyond the realms of possibility that TFS is chosen



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
Instead of sun seeking families, young singles in search of lager and sex in the Veronicas area of Las Americas. The Northern holiday area of Puerto De La Cruz and visitors to the towns of La Orotava and Candelaria are older, more gentile holidaymakers. They dont mind the cloudier weather because they are looking for sighseeing and a differnt type of holiday.



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
I would be sad to see the area overrun with cheap and cheeerful Ryanair holidaymakers

You really shouldnt stereotype Orion. Gets you in bother. Ryanairs passengers consist of the full mix of traveller, from Businessman to lagerlout. TFN does have business traffic too - a couple of my customers use GB's services there.

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Yes but the few UK business travellers are currently adequatley catered for with existing GB Airways services.

Santa Cruz does receive some business travel but this is not considerable, particularly from the UK.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Mmm and no lager swilling tourists EVER fly on your beloved charter carriers do they Orion  Yeah sure

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
I would be sad to see the area overrun with cheap and cheeerful Ryanair holidaymakers changing the area beyond recognition and perhaps turning away the older holidaymaker who has been returning to Puerto De La Cruz for years!

Can't be any more annoying for the locals than you there whinging about absolutely everything like Victor Meldrew  Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 17):
Yes but the few UK business travellers are currently adequatley catered for with existing GB Airways services.

Santa Cruz does receive some business travel but this is not considerable, particularly from the UK.

I think 7LBAC was referring to your views on FR passengers in general, not Tenerife in particular.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
would be sad to see the area overrun with cheap and cheeerful Ryanair holidaymakers

Well at least they'd be cheerful......



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

So people that fly with Ryanair are "cheap" are they?  Yeah sure
You really do need to stop these stereotypes  Wink



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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
And Britannia

Officially now under Thomson branding, but I know what you mean  Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
So people that fly with Ryanair are "cheap" are they?

Not as cheap as someone who gets his grandparents to pay for all his numerous flights  Wink



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Im not stereotyping Ryanair passengers. I dont think it is saying too much though to say that the type of passengers enduring over 4 hours on a Ryanair flight to TFN, Spain wouldnt all be business travellers and wealthy cloud bathing holidaymakers all booked in the Hotel Melia Botanico!

[Edited 2005-09-23 14:12:30]

[Edited 2005-09-23 14:12:46]

[Edited 2005-09-23 14:13:06]

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 19):
I think 7LBAC was referring to your views on FR passengers in general, not Tenerife in particular

Exactly that. Just couln't be arsed correcting him. Again.  sigh  yawn 



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
25 Pe@rson : Goodness me - stop the stereotypical codswallop and get back to the topic. It is a shame that a potentially good thread is swamped by irrelevant and m
26 Orion737 : I think even many of FR s most ardent fans might not fancy a flight of over four hours duration with them to an airport miles from las Americas. TFS c
27 Pe@rson : You REALLY need to consider how you are perceived. Let me help you: you seem to be a contradictory, hypercritical, condescending person who think he
28 QM001 : How does HV do the AMS TFS and LPA with 737-800's? I have flown to both with them.
29 Orion737 : OK Pe@rson lets address the weather issue: Would the weather in TFN, its susecptability to dense fog/ low cloud affect FRs operation? I think it would
30 7LBAC111 : But what you do do James is provide detailed rationale, insight and experience to support your views. Thats what Orion consistently fails to do. He i
31 Gkirk : The HV 737s do not have de-rated engines. I.E. a lot of EZY 73Gs I believe only have 22K thrust, whilst say someone like Astraeus will have 24/26K th
32 Orion737 : I know I am disliked by many one here. I am not here to win popularity polls, however. I am here to put forward my views and contribute to the discuss
33 Post contains images Gkirk : Nobody dislikes you. It's just that you need to stop complaining about things so much
34 Pe@rson : I have not done the necessary research to answer fairly and accurately. But if FR is considering TFN then trust me they'd have done their research: t
35 Post contains images Orion737 : I wasnt refering to you our Gkirk. I think the 3 people who gang up on me, know who they are. I equate them with the school bullies who used to pinch
36 Post contains images Cornish : I'd rather you addressed your narrow minded stereotypes first..... But as for delays and bad weather. The next flight out of STN would just get cance
37 Post contains images Orion737 : The topography of Northern tenerife and its resulting climatic consitions would cause problems on a more regular basis than at London Stansted! And Pe
38 Pe@rson : I agree. A possiblity, perhaps, would be night flights, but I won't hold my breath.
39 Post contains images Gkirk : Quite a lot of the time TFN is basked by sunshine. However, the mist/fog can appear within minutes, that being the main problem at Los Rodeos. Wouldnt
40 Post contains images Cornish : Nobody hates you Orion - god we'd be bored if you weren't here, but you can't expect to slag off and look down your nose at certain types of people a
41 Post contains images Pe@rson : Nope. I will openly criticise FR because of its inability to, for instance, establish brilliant and workable relationships with its stakeholders, plu
42 Cornish : Of course it would - my point being that fog can occur anywhere, but f it is merely a destination rather than a full base, then the weather may be le
43 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : Ahem! Are you referring to me? (*shocked) I don't believe you can hate someone you don't actually know, so hate is thw wrong word Orion. I'm not your
44 Vatry : Malev have also tried this with night runs from Helsinki and Dublin to Athens and it appears to have worked quite well. This may however backfire, as
45 Post contains images Cornish : Unless of course (just to really throw the cat amongst the pigeons) rather than UK flights (despite the attempt to attract a UK LCC), FR may be lookin
46 Pe@rson : And a very obvious one, too. It'd be especially good for WN, particularly on Western USA-Eastern and Mid flights. When would the machines undergo the
47 Post contains links Richardw : The http://www.hotelbotanico.com/menuingl.html isn't a www.solmelia.com hotel, it is part of http://www.lhw.com/property.aspx?propertyid=134&sessioni
48 CalAir : I know people are saying that FR have de-rated engines on their 738s but surely this cannot reduce the range of the a/c by that much? Another 738 oper
49 EZYAirbus : All very well but what would they advertise it as? Faro Southwest perhaps?
50 Post contains images Pe@rson : Blimey, you're original. That'd have been funny if it hadn't been said for the millionth time. Original. Well done.
51 Post contains images Capital146 : Hurray! Somebody takes the discussion by the scruff of the neck! First point, from time to time low cloud and fog already affect most of the northern
52 Orion737 : TFS would be by far the better option. It is the area favoured by British tourists, it has cheap accommodation in its resorts and it has better weathe
53 Post contains images BDKLEZ : I've actaully been wondering for a while now when the LCC's would attempt to tap this market. It's an area with definite LCC development possibilities
54 Post contains images BDKLEZ : Apologies, forget previous post, I've just realised I'm talking about the wrong airfield. I'm blind, TFN as opposed to TFS which I'm blethering on abo
55 Gilesdavies : I doubt this will occur... It goes against the principles of the airline, MOL has stated previously they have no interest in operating flights over 3h
56 Post contains images Greenjet : He also said they had no interest in flying to Gdansk
57 BDKLEZ : This in fact is the case owing to the amount of excess/extra baggage that would be carried on a NCL-AGP sector owing to the amount of golfers would b
58 Post contains images Mika : Hey! Someone care to elaborate on this de-rated engines thing? I never heard of it before. What is it all about? FR saved money on buying CFM's with
59 BDKLEZ : Sorry, meant also in the last post to respond to the above point. It's not that the airline chose to de-rate the engines, but after the GO/U2 merger
60 Aisak : Welll.. from mainland Spain the flight is only 2:30 hours.. much like the FR standards.. Girona is a base so they can easily launch a flight to the C
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