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Mesa To Start Inter Island Hawaiian Airline  
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...2005-09-23_11-13-54_wen9698_newsml

Very interesting. I wonder who they plan on codesharing with?

-m

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Quoting UnitedTristar (Thread starter):
I wonder who they plan on codesharing with?

I would expect the codeshar partners to be HP and US, as they are Mesa's main partners, and will soon start Hawaii flights. UA might also be a candidate, though they codeshare with Aloha IIRC, and they might not be pleased.
Will be interesting to see whether and how Mesa will be with these flights. Going by the PR, it sounds like they want to operate E70s, or perhaps even E90s for the flights. While those are more efficient than Aloha's 732 and even HA's 717s, but wonder whether they can cope with the typical Hawaiian amouns of luggage.


User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Good luck.. intra-island Hawaiian flights are not big money makers.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

And they (Mesa) think this is a good idea because?

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2335 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

In the Honolulu Star Bulletin, it says theya re going to use CRJ-200s.

Aloha!



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User currently offlineVSFullThrottle From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

Hey guys

Mesa is looking to operate as an independent airline in the islands starting with 6 CRJ200's which would grow to 12-15 aircraft. Also this could change to CRJ700's or 900's..

VSFT



WOO WOO!!!
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

What an awful idea. What does make money between the islands is mail, food, and other cargo.

N


User currently offlineVSFullThrottle From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Hey guys

For all the info on this check out this link

http://starbulletin.com/2005/09/23/news/index1.html

VSFT



WOO WOO!!!
User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

This is interesting, and I do believe it will force HA & AQ to have a
"come to Jesus meeting" about a possible merger again.
AQ's interisland revenue cannot suffer any more without something drastic happening.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3909 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

CR200s - what a bad idea from every angle you look at it....

User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Hey, it's Mesa....what can you expect? And no doubt they will still pay their crews crap so they have to live 20 to a crash pad. I understand the desire to be your "own" airline...but come on....there is a reason there isn't a TON of carriers flying inter-island. Oh well...maybe we will all have egg on our face....or maybe this will be the straw that breaks the camels back and Mesa goes away!


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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

"On the regional side, our people are very well compensated," Ornstein said

That taken from the article....any Mesa employee's care to comment on how "very well compensated" you actually are?

This guys is a JOKE!



Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21417 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5339 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 3):
And they (Mesa) think this is a good idea because?

Well, if there is some sort of "cost plus" contract with US/HP airline, then why not?



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User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2335 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

If they don't pay their crews well, the cost of living in Hawai'i is going to make it very hard for them to attract crews, especially with Hawai'i's unemployment hovering BELOW 3% (2.6% last I heard). Remember that FULL EMPLOYMENT is estimated to lie somewhere between 4% and 5%.

Also, doesn't the CRJ perform poorly on short, frequent flights?

Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

Quoting Aloha73g (Reply 13):
Also, doesn't the CRJ perform poorly on short, frequent flights?

Well, Delta or FlyI might be able to answer that question  Wink .
Now, having heard/read that Mesa will use CR2s for these flights, I have even more doubt that this will be successful, as the CRJ obviously cannot compete with the mainline planes with regards to cargo. And if Mesa is trying to attract passengers with low fares, well, you know the deal with FlyI.


User currently offlineGOAQ From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Well, Now there are going to be 5 inter-island airlines. Aloha, Hawaiian, Island Air, FlyHawaii (which plans to start sometime in 2006 too) and now Mesa. Good luck to Mesa. Give them credit for trying. You never know, it may just work, this time.......  box 

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):
wonder whether they can cope with the typical Hawaiian amouns of luggage.



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
What an awful idea. What does make money between the islands is mail, food, and other cargo.

Yep, local inter-island travelers don't just carry one suitcase.


If they are bringing crews and staffing from the mainland, they'd better learn the "Aloha Spirit" like yesterday, otherwise they'll be gone as soon as they arrived. The state of Hawaii is a close community, and word-of-mouth referrals are very strong. Mesa can advertise all they want, but if their service sucks, or not even come close to AQ, HA, and WP, nothing will be able to save them. Cheaper fares may play a part, but it'll only last for so long.

Where will they get gate space? Could the inter-island terminal handle a third player? MidPacific and Mahalo used the Commuter terminal ... Guess they'll have to fly out of the commuter terminal @ HNL.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2335 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 16):
Where will they get gate space? Could the inter-island terminal handle a third player? MidPacific and Mahalo used the Commuter terminal ... Guess they'll have to fly out of the commuter terminal @ HNL.

Island Air is using a good chunk of the commuter terminal...I am not sure if there would be room anymore, especially with WP expanding. I don't think is going to go well for Mesa, if it happens at all.

Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

This idea is insane. The market is covered by HA and AQ and they won't sit idle as Mesa attempts to move in on their turf. In addition if Mesa tries to capitalize on their relationship with HP/US, how much feed could the new HP flights to Hawaii possibly provide? Aren't the also flying to OGG? One or two 757's from the mainland is hardly a large enough flow of transfer passengers to fill Mesa's dorky little RJ's.

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

FlyHawaii is also starting next year. There will be too much capacity in a low-yeild market.

I hope Mesa gets chased right out of the islands by the others. But I don't know if we'll see a HA/AQ merger anytime soon. It's gonna be interesting though to watch Mesa and FlyHawaii fight it out. One or the other, or both, won't come out of this alive. At least in the Hawaiian market.

Mesa should stick to the mainland.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6004 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb


Typical Mesa!

ASSFO



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3035 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Here's my favorite Ornstein quote from the article:

"We're not going to try to fly trans-Pacific, which doesn't work."

Trans-Pacific doesn't work? I guess that means both Hawaiian and Aloha are wrong by decreasing inter-island flights and increasing service to the Mainland.



FLYi
User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Quoting GOAQ (Reply 15):
Well, Now there are going to be 5 inter-island airlines. Aloha, Hawaiian, Island Air, FlyHawaii (which plans to start sometime in 2006 too) and now Mesa.

Mesa will own & operate FlyHawaii (one in the same), so it will be just 4 intra-island carriers.



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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Mesa crews are well compensated..... when you compare them to the likes of GoJets.


What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
User currently offlineHNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting VSMike (Reply 22):
Mesa will own & operate FlyHawaii (one in the same), so it will be just 4 intra-island carriers.

where did you read/hear that? I was under the impression the were separate and distinct airlines.



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25 VSMike : I would love to tell you, but it would be a breach of confidentiality. You can take my word on it, or not. Sorry.
26 Brick : If they use CRJ's, where are they going to maintain them? They gonna fill the cabin with fuel tanks to ferry to the US mainland every time these thing
27 IRelayer : Sounds like another Independence Air fiasco to me... -IR
28 Bigtidi : If you know anything about Mesa Airlines you know that despite all the shortcommings on employee relations their management team is top notch. While t
29 Tornado82 : Could this all be Mesa's way of trying to find a spot for the CRJ-200's that US denied... thinking that since they still have lease payments (presumab
30 VSFullThrottle : Hey Tornado The Aircraft that Mesa was using for USAirways are being split between the new DL contract and expanding the UA contract. There are planes
31 Tornado82 : I thought Mesa run's HP's 900's and US's 700's both currently?
32 Drewwright : FYI the Delta contract is in the air right now. Delta has revised it aircraft commitment from Mesa down to 9 aircraft from 30. Maybe Mesa is doing thi
33 VSFullThrottle : Tornado Mesa operates CRJ200/700/900's and Dash 8's for HP, CRJ200/ERJ145's for US and CRJ200/700's and Dash 8's for UA. The 900's that would go to Ha
34 Aloha73G : This operation is going to cost $$$ to set up. Crews will have to be based in Hawaii, or commute which will be an expense either way, especially if t
35 Tornado82 : Oh ok, I misunderstood you. Thought you were saying that Mesa doesn't run -700's, -900's, at all in the system. Sorry about that!!
36 VSFullThrottle : No probs mate, its all good. Where did you get that info from?
37 Bigtidi : The Delta contract has not been revised downward. It remains at 30 aircraft, ERJ-145's, based in MCO to start out. If anything I would bet this contra
38 Laxintl : Hawaii is a unique market were Mesa Air could very well make money using CRJ's. Due to the relative high fare structure in Hawaii and very short stage
39 Arrow : Whatever happened to Island Air's plan to take on a Q400 and use it for interisland? I would think that with oil prices in the $60-70/bbl range, Islan
40 FriendlySkies : IIRC, all of Mesa's CR7s are currently flying for UA and were pulled out of HP. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall reading that.
41 Fokkerf28 : Kudos to Mesa!! I do believe that they can make a profit. They will have guaranteed revenue from HP/US AIR flying into Hawaii and with the cost per se
42 VSFullThrottle : My mistake, you are right HP does only operate CRJ200/900's and Dash 8's for HP. VSFT
43 Tornado82 : Say what?
44 FriendlySkies : There's no chance in hell Mesa could even get close to the operating cost of a 717 with any RJ. Maybe an E190, but that's it...
45 Bluewave 707 : WP will still get their 3 Q400s. The 1st one scheduled to enter service around November. Maintenance base: YX has yet to secure ramp space on the Lago
46 PhoenixX2 : 20 new 900s are coming into the MESA fleet, now I know where they are going, or at least some of them. AQ will be going away..... they have nothing to
47 SunValley : Mesa is not looking to do maintenance in HNL. They are looking at Hilo, and are applying for grants to start an aviation maintenance program at Hawaii
48 B744F : So Fly Hawaii is not a startup company but owned by Mesa? When did this happen?
49 Post contains images Isitsafenow : Let me see if I understand what's going on. Hawaiian flys between the islands. Hawaiian goes chapter 11. Aloha flys between the islands. Aloha goes ch
50 Fokkerf28 : The CRJ-900 will eat the 717 alive in costs. Figure the pilot salary of a Mesa pilot vs Hawaiian, the lease payment, the entire cost structure is soo
51 Aloha73G : People in Hawai'i complain about price, but we are also very very very very protective of anything 'local'. Many companies have tried to infiltrate in
52 Ha763 : I don't see why Mesa thinks now is a good time to enter the interisland market. We couldn't even support 3 full competing carriers in the past and can
53 BN747DFWHNL : As a mainland "haole" who lived in Honolulu for awhile, I couldn't agree more with this observation. I started reading this thread because it seems l
54 Post contains images Bohica : Fly-HI sounds like the name of an airline run by stoners.
55 AirWillie6475 : Give me a break, people go after the cheap prices not the airline theme. All they have to do is put some flowers on the livery and seats and offer ch
56 ANCFlyer : I would agree . . . going interisland isn't as simple as it used to be . . show up, buy a tix, and go . . . those days are long over. AQ and HA have
57 Phxpilot : As a Mesa CRJ Captain I feel I can state with some authority that we are among the lowest compensated and most overextended crews in the industry. We
58 Ha763 : This is somewhat true only when it applies to long-time local companies being taken over by a non-local company. People everywhere don't like to see
59 Aloha73G : Bingo, the best example of a mainland company that has suceeded in Hawai'i is Longs Drugs. Their Hawai'i division is very sucessful, and very popular
60 Aloha73G : It is this kind of attitude that will get you in trouble in the business community in Hawai'i. Look at all the bad press received by Central Pacific
61 Bluewave 707 : This will be interesting to see a local family going from one island to another to visit relatives carrying extra boxes apart from their luggage to go
62 SunValley : As per Aloha's Bankrupcty Reorganization, yesterday several things happened, Aloha Aviation Investment Group LLC, (AAIG) a Los Angeles based company,
63 Post contains links ClipperHawaii : This is typical of the mainland haole attitude. You don't understand Hawaii friend. It's not that simple. In any case, Mesa will do no flying in Hawa
64 Flyboyaz : I wouldn't be suprised to see service announced as US Airways Express... funny how they are planning service right after the HP flights to Hawaii star
65 RJNUT : this sounds worse than their Ft Worth -Meacham experiment!!!!
66 Aloha73G : Not what I'm trying to say....it is NOT the ownership that matters. First Hawaiian Bank, Bank of Hawai'i, Hawaiian Airlines....all are public compani
67 Ua2162 : Well, let's all just wait and see what happens. We can speculate all we want but only time will tell. Speaking of speculating, I wonder where KOA is g
68 Ha763 : Not only KOA, but all Hawaii airports. Gate space is not a problem since all gates are common use, but check-in and ticket counter space is a real pr
69 Post contains images Tsully : Here's my favorite Ornstein quote from the article: "We're not going to try to fly trans-Pacific, which doesn't work." Trans-Pacific doesn't work? I
70 Bluewave 707 : Sounds like Mr Orenstein (and the Mesa staff coming over) needs a copy of the "Malahini's (Newcomer) Guide To Hawaii" from the Hawaii Visitors Bureau,
71 Post contains links Ha763 : If you ask a Hawaii resident what a transpacific flight is, I guarantee they will say Hawaii to the mainland/Asia first. I'm also willing to bet that
72 Bluewave 707 : In the literal sense one HAS to cross the Pacific Ocean to get to Hawaii from ANYWHERE in the Pacific Rim. The prefix trans- means to cross ...
73 Rivera319 : I worked for Mesa Airlines for about 2 years until I quit about 2 years ago. Mesa is a good airline, but it's has it's ups and downs. I got the chance
74 Tornado82 : Would a CRJ-700/900 have the legs to make California-Hawaii with a sustainable pax load? Just out of curiosity, and I know about the ETOPS problems.
75 N1120A : Not a chance in the world
76 Post contains images Bluewave 707 : Max range is around 1700 nm. Well it could if you limit pax to 20, no frills except for a one liter bottle of water, one lav, no F/A, one small suitca
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