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Is It Safe To Spot At SXM?  
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

Hello guys,

Probably this subject has already been discussed, but I couldn't find anything regarding to it.

Yesterday I met with 3 Venezuelan A.netters (Chiguire, Luisde8cd and BA747). Luis recently went to SXM and told me that he was behind the fence just when an AA 757 was about to take off. He decided to back off a little bit because he was with his little cousin, but a drunk guy stood at the fence waiting for the a/c to depart. Luis told me that when the a/c pushed the throttle, all the sand started to fly towards him. All those pieces of sand caused a little pain on him, but he also said that the drunk guy was screaming "It Hurts!". Supposedly, the heat coming out from the engines is very high and strong, and Luis compared to a huge hair-dryer blowing towards your face. Also he said that the water from the beach went back because the thrust caused like a hole due to its power.

So, my question is, if this powerful thrust was form a 757, how could a 747's be?

Could this actually burn your skin or cause serious damage?

Hope you guys say NO, because I'm dying to go to Maho Beach and stand behind a 747!!!  bouncy 

Oh, by the way, Luis told me that this can't be done:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=210

....And, that this is impossible (the part is the two guys holding to the fence when the AF A340 takes off):

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=3296

Saludos!


Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
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User currently offlineACYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):


So, my question is, if this powerful thrust was form a 757, how could a 747's be?

In theory it wouldn't be any worse really. The engines on a 747 aren't much more powerful, theres just more of them.


User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

I don't know that standing behind it is a great idea, but I doubt anything terribly serious would happen. So far as spotting and taking pics, there's no where else like it:




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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

The question you should be asking youself is it worth the pain........of course, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity

BTW, it has been discussed before here it is http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2193468

[Edited 2005-09-23 18:10:32]


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User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
So, my question is, if this powerful thrust was form a 757, how could a 747's be?

Based on the Airplane Characteristics for Airport Planning manuals from Boeing for 747 and 757, I have made a picture showing the Jet engine exhaust velocity contours at takeoff thrust. Using page 151 in the 747-400 manual and page 113 from 757 manual I have merged the two footprints. Size is 72,7 KB, dimensions are 5541 x 2282 pixels and format is PNG. Blue is the contours forn 747 and green is for 757. Please notice that I have used data for the 757-200, not the -300. Feel free to make a picture with -300 instead.  Smile
A rough estimation of the distance from the fence at Maho Beach to a 747 or a 757 waiting to take off is 20-40 meters.
Jet engine exhaust velocity contours at takeoff thrust.

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Could this actually burn your skin or cause serious damage?

My answer concerning temperature, based on Boeing's manual, is NO, if the exposure to the exhaust do not last to long.

Yours in realtime
JHSfan



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

I have experienced the blast of sand before at Lanzarote with an MD-11. You just have to turn around and face the ocean or duck behind something!

It doesn't hurt THAT much. I have also experienced it at JFK standing next to the take off line.

[Edited 2005-09-25 17:17:46]


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User currently offlinePanaman From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Its fine, watch out driving behind it. So toursit did that a few weeks ago and it damaged the rental car.


Sorry I moved from SXM, looking for a new house on Anguilla now!
User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

There have been cases of injuries due to the jetblast of departing aircraft:
See the following thread:

SXM Liable For Injury Due To Jetblast (by AJO Mar 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Is It Safe To Spot At SXM?

No it isn't. You will die if you do it. I have heard stories of little girls being blown out in the ocean and eaten by mutant robot sea snakes in front of horrified onlookers.

It will rip your flesh clean off. That's why there's so many deformed monster skeleton people walking around St Maarten.

In other words, it's fine.

Go have fun.

B

[Edited 2005-09-25 21:39:31]

User currently offlineAirbuff From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Too funny, nonrevking.... Smile


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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

I've stood behind B757s, A340s, and a B747 at SXM, and I must say that when standing right behind the centerline, the B757 packs the meanest punch... but man is it FUN!

I found that if you're right at the fence, it won't hurt much (keep your eyes closed though), though there might be a tiny bit of loose gravel, and I got a small cut once. However, if your closer to the sand, you get sand blasted, which a) hurts, and b) covers your body afterwards.

So as long as you are healthy and strong enough to hold your own weight, you should have a problem. The force is not as strong as gravity, so if you can hang from a horizontal bar for 15 seconds without letting go, it's not going to blow you away. But DO HOLD ON!

As for the heat, if you stand behind 10 in a row, your probably in for about the equivalent of a mild sunburn, so enjoy in moderation.


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

I guess that depends on who's flying in that day.  Wink

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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Safe? No way. Thrilling? You bet!


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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 8):

LOL!!!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3342 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 10):
(keep your eyes closed though),

theoretically...if your at SXM, your going to do some amount of swimming. And in saltwater, if you plan to look at anything underwater, goggles are a good idea. Why not just stand there with goggles?!?!  Wink (you may look like a retard, but who the hell cares)


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 14):
Why not just stand there with goggles?!?! (you may look like a retard, but who the hell cares)

Ha! very smart idea! But you'd be the make-me-laugh of all the spotters there... So, imagine that someone takes a pic of a jet landing and accidentally your head comes up in the image, and eventually it's posted on A.net!  banghead   bomb  OUCH!

So... some people might care after all!!!

Saludos!



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5199 times:
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Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Oh, by the way, Luis told me that this can't be done:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=210

....And, that this is impossible (the part is the two guys holding to the fence when the AF A340 takes off):

http://www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=3296

Then how were the videos made I wonder...

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3342 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5199 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 15):
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 14):
Why not just stand there with goggles?!?! (you may look like a retard, but who the hell cares)

Ha! very smart idea! But you'd be the make-me-laugh of all the spotters there... So, imagine that someone takes a pic of a jet landing and accidentally your head comes up in the image, and eventually it's posted on A.net! OUCH!

So... some people might care after all!!!

Saludos!

LOL, true, that would be quite embarassing. I'd roll over laughing if I saw somebody doing that. Maybe I'll be the first, hopefully I can make it to SXM sometime before I die.  Smile


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5171 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 17):
hopefully I can make it to SXM sometime before I die

I think SXM is a MUST place for all A.netters



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
I think SXM is a MUST place for all A.netters

Standing in Kowloon City under the flight path, looking up through the buildings at the belly of a 744 about to land is almost just as good  Smile


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5114 times:

this raises my question:

were there any airplane mishaps at SXM?

I did Airliners.net photo search -- there are no SXM incident photos (especially photos of jets after crash landing).

To me, looks like SXM is accident-free spot.



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5105 times:
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Quoting September11 (Reply 20):
this raises my question:

were there any airplane mishaps at SXM?

I did Airliners.net photo search -- there are no SXM incident photos (especially photos of jets after crash landing).

To me, looks like SXM is accident-free spot.

I was told while in SXM (July '05) that the fence was hit twice by the same Air France pilot on approach. I have no other basis for touting this as true but I may have seen it mentioned on the a.net forums before.



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User currently offlineRunway31 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

As far as I am aware it is not compulsory to stand directly behind aircraft hanging on to the fence to get the full effect of the jet blast. It is therefore safe to say that if you use your brain it will tell you to stand back and keep away from the fence to ensure your safety.

User currently offlineJHSfan From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 469 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 20):
were there any airplane mishaps at SXM?

A Twotter crashed years ago  Sad Airdisaster.com
But since then SXM has not had any crashes  Smile

My conclusion is that Maho beach is not an unsafe place.
But we humans continue to be mortal.... nothing is going to change that EVER!

Quoting Molykote (Reply 21):
I was told while in SXM (July '05) that the fence was hit twice by the same Air France pilot on approach.

Maybe that AF pilot was a former French navy fighter pilot, used to land on aircraft carriers Big grin

- JHSfan



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1901 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 17):
hopefully I can make it to SXM sometime before I die.

I told my uncle about it (he has a small airplane) and showed him the holding-fence video and the only thing he said was: We must take gloves!

Wohoooo!!!!  bouncy 



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

If you are too chicken just don't go.

I am guessing there are a few flights there a day.. go to the first one, get a feel for things, then determine where you want to stand.


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