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Warsaw: Airport And Spotters Sign Deal  
User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Sorry article only in Polish but I will translate.


"Porozumienie ze spotterami

23.09.2005, godz. 15:37

Od wczoraj warszawscy spotterzy dzia³aj¹ pod auspicjami w³adz sto³ecznego lotniska.

W samo po³udnie dyrektor warszawskiego portu lotniczego Zbigniew Lesiecki podpisa³ z reprezentantami stowarzyszenia Warsaw-Spotters porozumienie o wspó³pracy. Na jego mocy uprawiaj¹cy niecodzienne hobby mi³oœnicy lotnictwa bêd¹ mogli bez przeszkód korzystaæ z terenów PPL przyleg³ych bezpoœrednio do lotniska im. F. Chopina.

Porozumienie u³atwi spotterom realizacjê ich pasji - obserwacjê i fotografowanie samolotów.

W³adze lotniska licz¹ na dobr¹ wspó³pracê ze stowarzyszeniem, w szczególnoœci zaœ na bezzw³oczne powiadamianie s³u¿b dy¿urnych o nietypowych sytuacjach dziej¹cych siê wokó³ terenu portu lotniczego, a mog¹cych mieæ wp³yw na jego bezpieczeñstwo.

Ka¿dy spotter, który przejdzie pozytywn¹ weryfikacjê w³adz stowarzyszenia, i którego koledzy dopuszcz¹ do swojego grona, zostanie wyposa¿ony w specjalny identyfikator autoryzowany przez PPL oraz kamizelkê odblaskow¹.


Polish Airports Authority has agreed to allow a hassle free use of any land adjacent to the Warsaw airport for spotting and photography. Airport authorities are asking for spotters to alert them of any unusual activities that might go on that endanger airport security.

Also every spotter, who goes through a ID check with the Airports Authority and is asked to join by Warsaw Spotters will get a special ID from PPL (Polish Airport Authority) and one of those bright colored vests that ramp rats wear.

Exactly the thing we should be doing here in the US...not this bs that we have going on here.

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13018 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Dzien dobre LOT767-300ER and thanks for bringing us this! It should be an example to others.

I always get very nervous when I hear airport authorities and governments (for example, recently in Australia and also in Europe) talk about tougher security, because it can sometimes mean a crackdown on spotters. Thankfully, it's not the case in Warsaw and I hope other airports follow this example.

Unfocused security is a serious threat to aviation and working with people who have a vested interest in keeping the airport safe is a good move forward.

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

I totally agree, this kind of program should be initiated at every major airport in the US (and even the not so major airports).
However, it will never be proliferated in the US because the airports won't make money implementing such a plan, so its easier for them to just keep everyone out. Its a sad reality that we as spotters just have to work around.
I guess the best suggestions is to alert the airport authorities upon your arrival or even before hand if you can so no one is surprised. Its good that the Aurthorities in Warsaw are recognising that we as spotters are a valuable sector of the airport environment and best of all...We'd all happily do this for free.

Cheers, Access-Air

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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4034 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

It's a win win situation for everyone. The spotters get to continue to do what they love to do, and the airport gets extra eyes and ears to be on the lookout for no good activities.

Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1627 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

We are working on something very official just like this with the Greater Toronto Airports Authority (GTAA) here in Toronto.

So far, we have been very successful. This year, spotting became MUCH easier for us, as well as allowed us to organize a group of people who can assist the police and airport authority in securing the area around the airport.

Great news! Lets hope we get more support!


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Thread starter):
Exactly the thing we should be doing here in the US...not this bs that we have going on here.

I would sacrifice looking goofy with a brightly colored vest and a zoom lens, at least to not have any wannabe captain america tell me "can I see some ID", "photography is illegal" "this is airport property" classic BS!

The US authorities are too dumb to understand this type of thing though, sorry to say it. "Security" is a sacred word and kicking out photographers will sure help prevent terrorism. Even the rural streets in hillbilly land under the eastern approach at SFB which is a small airport.. are full of No Parking signs. Funny how the smaller airports are the most paranoid..

I suggest we email the link to this thread to each and every airport authority here in the U.S. so they could see what some countries, in this case an "ally" like Poland is doing. Talking about it here amongts us won't solve anything.

What's all that "freedom of speech" "land of the free" bla blah blah good for if folks can't even watch airplanes? Makes me want to go to Poland to spot, bet there's a lot of interesting airlines that visit Warzaw.. is that Belavia TU-134 a regular visitor?

[Edited 2005-09-24 06:37:42]

User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Excellent idea. We need to push this with the US airports as well. I often bitch about SAT and SAA rent-a-cops, but perhaps pushing this sort of plan to those in charge might help smooth things over for all of us. Then I can get close enough to get some decent pictures and submit a bunch of 737, 320, and MD-80 pix that everyone loves to view. Won't that be fun?  Big grin

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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3241 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

Well, this is a wonderful news!! Someone had enough brains to realize that spotters cannot be extincted or chased away from airport perimeters.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
always get very nervous when I hear airport authorities and governments (for example, recently in Australia and also in Europe) talk about tougher security, because it can sometimes mean a crackdown on spotters. Thankfully, it's not the case in Warsaw and I hope other airports follow this example.

I certainly hope other airports will follow. For example, security is very strict in Belgrade and good places for spotting are rare and there is always a possiblity that someone from airport security will come and tell you to leave (in not a very pleasant manner; believe me it happened to me).

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7380 posts, RR: 78
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Imagine the "cost savings" it can bring to the airports  Smile
Those rent-a-cops won't like it, coz spotters will take some of their friends' jobs away...


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User currently offline9A-CRO From Croatia, joined Jun 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

good news,

I was in Warsaw earlier thsi year and met one of local spotters there. I ma glad that they got such good treatement from airport.

and this is a good example if you are negotiatiing with your own airport.

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User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Now only if other airports in the region would follow their example  bigthumbsup . It would beat the  banghead  merry-go-round we (at least I) have with our police at ZAG... Spotters hanging around with cameras even would beat any outside security force, since most spotters know their airport inside-out, know the regular movements and airside operations and could easily spot something out-of-place...

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