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Air Canada - Progress Made On 777/787 Issues  
User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 631 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/050923/e_aircan_agreement.html?.v=1

http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/050923/air_cda_pilot_mediatn.html?.v=1

[Edited 2005-09-23 20:38:28]

35 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5750 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Sounds to me like that both parties have an agreement. If that's so when can AC finally have a new deal with Boeing? I assume that the numbers ordered won't change significantly?


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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

This has been expected,but it's "BIG" news!

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

so do they still retain the slots!! i think they have it for Mar 06..
Vive Le YYZ!!
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

No - it's more like an agreement has been made on how to resolve 2 issues:

1) Mediation will bring the seniority issues related to the merger to a final resolution

2) They have agreed to a binding arbitration process for resolving issues related to the acquisition of Boeing (B777 and B787) aircraft.

Air Canada in their release notes that subject to a suitable outcome, they will re-engage Boeing to renegotiate the order


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

The 2006 deliveries have been lost, and will have to be rescheduled, assuming AC doesn't alter the number of 777 aircraft it wants. I was told that Boeing will ensure that AC has enough 2006 lift - presumably used aircraft, though not 777-300ERs because there aren't any on the market - to meet AC's 2006 capacity expansion needs.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8874 times:

I think these issues will be solved and AC will probably be able to get the same deals as before, but will lose some of their slots, especially for the 777..but this is BIG news.....would love to see the 777's in AC colours.. yes 


"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 5):
The 2006 deliveries have been lost

first of all it is sad Sad 2006 is just round the corner. I think I discussed with you, but not sure. But who got those slots?
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8707 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Sounds to me like that both parties have an agreement.

Not yet. The announcement is that they have a plan on how to work out an agreement, both on the seniority issue, and the Boeing purchase.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 7):
But who got those slots?

AC had two confirmed 2006 slots, and one that was to be firmed up right after the pilot's vote. Those slots were simply used to move other customers up in line. In other words, no one really "got" the AC slots, they simply moved ahead a little. If you were looking for actual l/n, I believe AF is now in the first slot (3/06), and I believe ANZ is now in the 6/06 slot.


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

Maybe some of the leasing companies have some aircraft still available?

Good news; I knew it was only a matter of time before a deal was done, but nonetheless, I'm glad this will go ahead.


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

This is indeed good news for both Boeing and AC. With the troubles that NW is in, those 787 slots could be quickly taken by AC, should NW liquidate or cancel it's order, My hope is that both AC & NW get the 787.

Regards,
Sal



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User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

Can't wait to see a mint green 777...hmmm....should be interesting.

Kind of figured this would be the outcome all along, as usual the union had to screw things up instead of working with the airline behind the scenes.



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User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

The good news is that the company-union (aircraft type/rates) and intra-union (seniority) issues have been recognized by both parties as separate issues. The 1st will get resolved because it is binding arbitration. The 2nd is mediation, which I will not speculate on the probability of success given that it would have to throw a previously aribitrated decision.

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 8):
I believe AF is now in the first slot (3/06), and I believe ANZ is now in the 6/06 slot.

are you talking about B773 slots? AF and ANZ never ordered B772LRs!!
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8530 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
are you talking about B773 slots? AF and ANZ never ordered B772LRs!!
rgds
VT-ASJ

ANZ hasn't ordered B773s either.


User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
are you talking about B773 slots? AF and ANZ never ordered B772LRs!!



Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 14):
ANZ hasn't ordered B773s either.

It doesn't matter. All the 777s come off the same final assembly line(s) in Everett.

-N60659



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Quoting N60659 (Reply 15):

gotcha!!!



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User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Quoting N60659 (Reply 15):
It doesn't matter. All the 777s come off the same final assembly line(s) in Everett.

Thanks for the correction!


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8140 times:

Press release from Air Canada:


http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/September2005/23/c3492.html

"Air Canada would then re-engage Boeing to conclude an agreement on the acquisition of 777 and 787 aircraft."

Music to my ears, can't wait !

Krisyyz


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Encouraging news indeed. Now if Boeing and their machinists can just resolve their differences, all will be right in the aviation world again.......

User currently offlineBoeing777LR From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

Can'T wait to fly in the new 787 / 777's when would their 787's slots be ???

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
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Quoting ER757 (Reply 19):
Now if Boeing and their machinists can just resolve their differences

According to BCAinfosystems (i think thats the member) he said that the BCA chief said to not expect a resolution to the strike for atleast 5 months (February/March). If only Boeing would get a court order demanding the strikers return to work and then work on a new contract.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6557 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Great news ! I was just wondering how things were coming along. It seems like AC is almost ready to talk to Boeing again regarding this. Hopefully AC will finalize this order before Christmas and perhaps AI, QR and QF will have placed firm orders for the 777 then as well.... Smile

The777Man



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6851 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
Hopefully AC will finalize this order before Christmas and perhaps AI, QR and QF will have placed firm orders for the 777 then as well....

Lets start hoping then  Smile


User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

This is all fine and dandy, but is AC tring to own 20 of every aircraft on the market, I am just thinking of the MX costs and the training time need for the current employees... I know that they are not happy with A, but will the costs of B be too great?

G



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25 Dalecary : The original AC plan was to replace the 330/340 fleet with 777/787. The 767 fleet would be the last to be replaced. So, AC want to be effectively Air
26 Cruiser : The 787/777 would be perfect for Air Canada, and would eliminate the A340's, which from all indications, AC are not happy with performance wise. Don'
27 Milan320 : You don't need to generalize so much ... who said that they're not happy with all of the Airbus types that they have in their fleet? Common rumor is
28 Cruiser : They are not happy with the A343 and A345. Out of the 20 Airbus Widebodies, this would mean that they are not satisfied with 12 planes. If you do the
29 Accargo : Lot's and lot's of rumours about how unhappy AC is with it's Airbus widebodies. Too bad there is not a lot of truth in the rumours. The 330's are exce
30 Cruiser : True, but the 2 A345's have a dedicated maintenance team. I know of no other airplanes which would require such heavy maintenance to keep them at an
31 Post contains images Accargo : The fuel issue has only surfaced recently, it was much less a factor when AC acquired all it's 340's. I am not sure what variants of the 777 were aro
32 Post contains images Cruiser : Hey come on, they give YYZ some variety for the spotters. We would not get MD-11s or as many DC-10s. James
33 Sebring : I have no indication that that is currently the case, if it ever was. I don't see that myself. I think you have a very imaginative crystal ball. Fuel
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : thanks for the information Sebring..but what I don't understand is that I have read countless amounts of time that Airbus offers bettere financing th
35 Olympus69 : Duh?
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