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Bad News For Mesaba...35 RJ's To Be Grounded.  
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10221 times:

Bad news for Mesaba.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...2005-09-23_21-35-28_wen9742_newsml

LOS ANGELES, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Mair Holdings Inc. (MAIR.O: Quote, Profile, Research) , parent of Mesaba Aviation Inc., said on Friday that Northwest Airlines Inc. (NWACQ.O: Quote, Profile, Research) will remove from service the 35 regional jets operated by Mesaba,
Northwest's schedule provides that nine of the jets will be removed from service as of October 31, while the remaining leases will be terminated effective December 20.

[Edited 2005-09-24 00:35:57]


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

Didn't they just get these not that long ago?

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10174 times:

Are these the new CRJs that are coming around or are they ARJs?


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10161 times:

how many laid off pilots does this translate to ?


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10117 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
Are these the new CRJs that are coming around or are they ARJs?

I don't think they have 35 ARJs, so I'm going to go with CRJ.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10098 times:

These are the ARJs. .

User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9992 times:

They have 35 ARJ's - they had 36, but one was damaged in Memphis - this does surprise me a bit though, although I believe these are leased, not owned

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9800 times:

Oh, also, they will be getting an even trade for CRJs... 35 new CRJs are coming in.

These CRJs, along with NW DC-9s, will be replacing the ARJs.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

They mean these aircraft
http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/arj/index.shtml

The most comfy RJ out there! They have the widest seat in the NW fleet.



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

This obviously creates a bigger service gap between the regional ops (max: 50 seats) and the mainline ops (min: 100 seats) that IMHO will set up nicely for a middle tier of 70-90 seat aircraft pending scope clause changes with the pilots. I've flown on the ARJ a few times, and I'll surely miss them.

-Mike



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9683 times:

Or maybe NW is preparing to negotiate with lessors or NW pilots... These ARJ can seat 85 people, but are configured with 69 seats only (16F + 53Y), because of 70 seat cluase in NW pilots' contract.


The Widget Air Line :)
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9511 times:

too bad...that is one of the most comfortable planes they have

User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9336 times:
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I'd bet that this is only to get better lease rates on the same acft


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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 7):
These CRJs, along with NW DC-9s, will be replacing the ARJs.

Wow! Using DC9s to replace a fleet type? Classic!



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9276 times:

Well it sounds to me that soon Aspen may only have service via America West Express. Since UA may stop BAe Flying, and now NW.


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User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9240 times:
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Quoting M404 (Reply 12):
I'd bet that this is only to get better lease rates on the same acft

You are correct; I believe these a/c have been identifed to be grounded IF they cannot negotiate better lease terms.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9173 times:

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Not the ARJs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9129 times:

The Avro RJ in the NW configuration was the most comfortable coach product in the US market (aside from Midwest). It will be a shame to see them go.

My only hope is that a reorganized NWA will have some E-Jets at some point.



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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5368 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 11):
.that is one of the most comfortable planes they have

But they're slow and noisy. One ride on old Air California was enough for me; didn't their Electras have faster block times?



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8683 times:

Maybe ual/uax can get some of the ARJs...rumor i heard tonight was that zw told ual to take 146 deal and shove it after the april ski season......


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User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 18):
But they're slow and noisy

They are faster than Q400s and much quieter than most aircraft (I believe they are stage 4 compliant by a large margin). The one time I rode the ARJ it was quieter than the A320 series inside the cabin.


User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8516 times:

Well, there is one noisy thing about them - the flaps. Those sound horrible. But other than that they are great aircraft and I cannot understand why NW would want to get rid of those and replace them by CRJs of all things. Seriously, this is a really bad move IMO.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8481 times:

Well there goes all the ASE service they were talking about.

User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

I wonder what this means for all the pilots Mesaba just hired to fly the new CRJs... they surely are on some pretty shaky footing now, since they are at the bottom of the seniority list and I would assume the Avro pilots will now be taking the CRJ spots.

Shame, because I know a good number of people that got hired for the CRJ there. I guess having friends laid off is just a part of being in aviation, though.

-Meister



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

What happened to Azjubilee the Mesaba ARJ pilot on this board? He could give us the correct info.

25 Bluejackets : What irony. I just booked NW CMH-MSP yesterday with both legs on ARJs on 11/23-11/26. I get on a.net and find out the Avros may be in their final mont
26 Tnsaf : This is, as others have said, is a ploy to get the lease rates reduced. Standard practice in CH11. Where are the lessors going to go? There is no othe
27 CIDflyer : yes, but remember, NW's planes only have 69 seats, where as other's may have crammed 85 seats, thus you have a very comfortable seat pitch. The NWA A
28 Post contains links Derik737 : Excerpt from the article at http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5632426.html Joel Denney, an airline analyst for Piper Jaffray & Co. in Minneapolis
29 NLINK : Bad news is LH city line wants more ARJ.
30 BOS2LAF : Theres one thing people seemed to have missed: First Steenland gets signed to a 1yr non-compete with NW. Then he resigns from MAIR's board of director
31 N908AW : For years XJ has been the sole/major regional affiliate to NW. But things have evidently gone sour now seeing as 9E has almost knocked XJ off the pede
32 M404 : Steenlands move might be more of a way out of a "conflict of interest" situation. Either way his plate is full.
33 Post contains images BAW2198 : Does anybody have some numbers they could plug in to figure this statement out? How does a 4 engine turbofan beat out a 40 year old JT8D series in fu
34 Jamesjoyce : The current Avro ARJ is nowhere near stage-4 compliant.
35 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: The Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal More Info: http://www.bizjournals.com/industrie...2005/09/19/twincities_daily52.html
36 NLINK : It would not suprise me to see NW do the same thing for the SF340's that NW subleases to XJ. There are so many Saabs parked now, NW probably could get
37 Tornado82 : Could this be adding to CASM's especially in this day of high fuel prices... making the ARJ's uncompetitive to even the CRJ? (when you take into acco
38 PlaneSmart : An expensive plane to operate. There are some anomalies in the leases, reflecting sub-leases, etc. Potentially a win win for Mesaba. Almost instantly
39 2H4 : I suspect maintenance factors are the main drawbacks to the Avro. Specifically, parts cost and availability. Also, I'd love to see their dispatch rat
40 Stirling : Wonder if FlyBE is interested? At least in the short term while their Jungle Jets start to arrive? CitiExpress?
41 Frugalqxnwa : Interesting, since one of the major selling points of the Avro was the low noise level. But then again, things have changed since the original 146 ca
42 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : I'd better book a ticket right away. I want to fly on one. Mark
43 LCH : Does this mean the aircraft will be withdrawn from XJ use effective Desember 20th? They're still scheduled for flights to GFK in January, any I can't
44 N908AW : Depends on the situation. Midwest airports will see the schedules being altered (my airport has 2x ARJ scheduled for December), whereas airports outs
45 Post contains images LUVRSW : Only 15 CRJ's on order, 2 delivered. 35 AVRO's history. Senior Capt., FO's will bump down to the Saab's. When they are gone, then they will bump down
46 Post contains images Pensacolaguy : It is a shame that NW/Mesaba is getting rid of there ARJs..Guess just CRJs now on MEM-PNS Maybe someone will buy the 35 ARJs, and use them. Is the ARJ
47 MEMbase : But the noise they do make is quite odd. Everytime they fly over my house coming out of MEM, it sounds like all four engines were cut. The first time
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