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NW Nonstop LAS-MSN?!?!?  
User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3782 times:

Hey everyone! I was just looking for Christmas tickets back home to LAS, and I came across on the NW website, an itinerary that departed LAS at 11:55PM, and arrived in MSN at 5:20AM. When I just looked for a booking LAS-MSN, it brought up that one nonstop flight. Why would there be a nonstop flight? Is there really that much demand? Also, what aircraft is operated on the route? It just seems really crazy that this flight would exist, but maybe that is just me, lol. Sorry if this has been discusses before. Thanks in advance.  Big grin
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User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3767 times:

DOH, I just realized that Allegiant flies LAS-MSN-LAS, is that why NW hopped onto the route? *pounds head on table*
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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3761 times:

NW has launched a flurry of new routes to LAS. Like MSN/GRR/FNT and some others to LAS. This is using the aircraft when they would be idle overnight, great idea in my opinion. NW should be able to make it work.


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User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3734 times:

Ya, it sounds like a good idea, but is it profitable?
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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

This is Northwest we are talking about. Northwest is well-known for using the effective equivalent of Weapons of Mass Destruction to kill a gnat. They started these routes for no other reason than to chase off Allegiant, so they can then cancel the service, and then fly those passengers via Minneapolis-St. Paul and Detroit.


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
This is Northwest we are talking about. Northwest is well-known for using the effective equivalent of Weapons of Mass Destruction to kill a gnat. They started these routes for no other reason than to chase off Allegiant, so they can then cancel the service, and then fly those passengers via Minneapolis-St. Paul and Detroit.

Good old NW; willing to attack an ant with a nuke.


User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

According to Iowaman, its cheaper to fly LAS-FSD-MSP than it is to fly LAS-MSP. NW is really stepping over a dollar to save a quarter here.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
This is Northwest we are talking about. Northwest is well-known for using the effective equivalent of Weapons of Mass Destruction to kill a gnat. They started these routes for no other reason than to chase off Allegiant, so they can then cancel the service, and then fly those passengers via Minneapolis-St. Paul and Detroit.

You mean the same NW that announced these intentions to eventually do this almost 2 years ago?



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3463 times:
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Quoting B4real (Reply 2):
NW has launched a flurry of new routes to LAS. Like MSN/GRR/FNT and some others to LAS. This is using the aircraft when they would be idle overnight, great idea in my opinion. NW should be able to make it work.

MSN is the only one that is a red eye. They also are starting FAR/FSD/DSM-LAS.

Quoting N908AW (Reply 6):
According to Iowaman, its cheaper to fly LAS-FSD-MSP than it is to fly LAS-MSP. NW is really stepping over a dollar to save a quarter here.

Yes, when searching certain dates in Dec. that was true.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
You mean the same NW that announced these intentions to eventually do this almost 2 years ago?

That may be true, but the FNT-LAS was to attack AirTran, as times and fares are the exact same.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

But how much more could NW "attack" others who start midwest service? It sems like they need to start worrying about how to stay alfloat and come up with a plan instead of going after an airline everytime it starts service in certain cities.


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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1795 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

With NWA's wonderful onboard service:
1) Meal- trail mix
2) Snack- the crumbs left on the seat from the passenger who brought their last meal onboard from the terminal food court
3) Beverage- the moisture you can suck out of the cabin or the blue toilet water in the lav

As cheap as this airline is, they could make it work better than anyone. NWA...The true "no frills" airline!


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
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Well, with NW in bankruptcy, they don't have to pay some bills. Therefore, they can afford to fly those LAS routes.

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
They started these routes for no other reason than to chase off Allegiant, so they can then cancel the service, and then fly those passengers via Minneapolis-St. Paul and Detroit.

Seemingly no one has decided to pay attention to the facts, and just attack NW, so allow me to enlighten the proletariat.

Allegiant has already announced their intentions to suspend the route on October 31st. Northwest begins service that day.

When NW announced its intentions to resume certain nonstop routes from MKE, everyone criticized it as a move to try and squeeze YX out so they could once again revert to hub-only operations. Well, three years later, most of they key routes are still flying. For that matter, LAX was recently upgraded to a 320, and they've added a second daily seasonal LAS flight.

So, before anyone casts aspersions about Northwest's intentions, remember the facts.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 12):
Seemingly no one has decided to pay attention to the facts, and just attack NW, so allow me to enlighten the proletariat. Allegiant has already announced their intentions to suspend the route on October 31st. Northwest begins service that day.

Are you saying that Allegiant was already leaving and NW is coming in to fill a gap? Sorry no, that wasn't the timeline.

Allegiant said they were pulling the service AFTER Northwest announced they were starting the route. NW announced LAS-MSN on August 10. Allegiant put out the word they would drop LAS-MSN a month later on September 13.

So isn't that what posters are saying, that NW was trying to chase off Allegiant? And succeeded?



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1795 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Mlsrar...Sorry, but you obviously work for NWA and you have my sympathy. Try being a First Class passenger on one of your flights and you will understand why their the worst things going. Have a problem after the flight? NWA's customer service is practically non existent. Don't expect me to write anything nice!

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 8):
MSN is the only one that is a red eye

LAS-GRR is also a red-eye:

NWA 324, GRR-LAS 9:00 pm - 10:05 pm
NWA 325, LAS-GRR 11:10 pm - 5:55 am



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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Thats not strange...in the summer NWA runs MKE-CUN on saturdays and the flights are usually booked solid.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
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Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 16):
in the summer NWA runs MKE-CUN on saturdays and the flights are usually booked solid.

I'm surprised they do it in the summer (why?), but in any case, according to this poster - reply #10 - it isn't coming back:

Is The NW IND Focus City In Jeopardy? (by 7E72004 Sep 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 12):
Well, three years later, most of they key routes are still flying.

NWA at MKE? See link above, reply #10, which deals with cuts at both IND and MKE.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

If I could make a wish, it would be that Allegiant would fight back hard core and launch LAS-MSP, LAS-DTW and DTW-MSP so that NW would stop the attack. Of course even though NW is in bankruptcy, they still have deeper pockets. I am curious though if one day they will go head to head with someone that has soem cash and could outlast them. The upper midwest might be released from the grip of NW's high fares. I fly out of RFD (Rockford Illinois), and NW is the only scheduled carrier, and their fares are astronomical.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
I fly out of RFD (Rockford Illinois), and NW is the only scheduled carrier, and their fares are astronomical.

You could put yourself in a box, and get door-to-door service via the air in RFD  Wink


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Let me guess. They are going to use a DC-9 on the route. Big grin

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
I fly out of RFD (Rockford Illinois), and NW is the only scheduled carrier, and their fares are astronomical.

and i go to school ($10 if you guess which school) in GFK - NW being the only airline here, i have yet to see a fare below $300 to anywhere besides MSP - and even that hovers 200-300. Paid $324 to fly home last year for a weekend.
The time after that i went on UA out of FAR for $212

'902



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 21):
Paid $324 to fly home last year for a weekend.

That's a regular fare to many many places here from ABE... and we've got United, US, NW, DL, CO for the legacies, Hooters, Transmeridian for LCC/Charters, etc.


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