7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3512 times:
Hello all...it has been a while since i started a topic so i figured what the hell ANyway, with NW in bankruptcy what are the chances that it will cut flights at its IND focus city? or even other focus cities like MKE. There seems to be some consensus around here that NW will drop some of the mainline service that it has out of IND. any thoughts? thanks and cheers
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7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
I wonder if NW plans or wants to have more gates once the new midfield terminal opens. Obviously, that is a LONG ways off and anything can happen between now and then, especially since NW just started the bankruptcy process.
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STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9169 posts, RR: 27 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
There are "locals" in the Indianapolis area that are anticipating a reduction of service by Northwest. Of course, nothing is near concrete yet as nothing has happened, nor has anything been announced.
Since travel out of IND is up and research shows there is a chance for it to increase even more, there is a group out there that is fueling some investment into ATA to pump it back to life and onto some routes from IND. All this to secure flight levels to be kept where they are now going into the development of the new midfield terminal.
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LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 38 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3200 times:
I really doubt that NW will make notable reductions at IND. By all accounts it does much better than the MKE focus city, and MKE has had minimal cuts. Plus, IND is a pretty strong market and if NW were to leave that would be one large hole in the IND market. That hole would surely be pounced on by the likes of FL or maybe even WN will add a flight or two. Wouldn't that be a shock....
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4486 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3008 times:
IND is walking into unfamiliar territory. With Independence Air pulling out at the end of Oct there will be 3 or 4 empty gates. There will be 3 for sure. There will also be 3 gates used by airlines with light schedules.
Midwest Express with 4 daily departures
ATA with 3 daily departures
Frontier with 3 daily departures
I imagine Midwest will pair up with someone again like they did with HP at C1. If someone wants to move in or expand service now would be a good time.
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 38 Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
As long as things stay the way they are, I don't say anyone really making a move. There is a nice exisiting balance of legacy carriers and lcc's that collectively share the airport. Regardless of what NW does, IND will always be right there 8-10 mil pax/yr.
Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2646 posts, RR: 30 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2979 times:
It obviously way to early to know specifically what Northwest is going to do with their network under chapter 11, but I don't think it's a stretch to think that some of their non-hub routes *may* be in jeopardy. Northwest's domestic strength is in the hubs, and some of the point-to-point flying they've added is, well, somewhat suspect.
As for the focus cities of IND and MKE, we can see what markets Northwest has pulled from sale so far to get some ideas. Indy has definitely seen less pullbacks than Milwaukee.
Austin gone as of 10/30
Seasonal daily PHX will not resume
Fort Myers was 2x/day last winter, 1x this winter
Sarasota Saturday-only RJ will not resume
Denver, planned for year-round nonstop, dropped from 10/29 to 2/16.
The only other notable reduction at Indy amid the growth is the loss of St Louis nonstops.
Baltimore, St Louis, Pittsburgh already gone
Denver, Toronto ending 10/30
Seasonal Fort Myers, Phoenix, Cancun (Saturday) will not resume
Added seasonal frequency to Las Vegas, Los Angeles not resuming
After the "six new nonstops" were added in summer of 2003 (BOS, LGA, DCA, MCO, LAS, LAX) to launch the focus city, every additional growth attempt has been discontinued, save Kansas City. And Kansas City carries mostly air and connecting/thru passengers.
Again, it's very early to know exactly what Northwest will end up doing. But with the amount of money Northwest is losing, I think it's hard to assume that IND and MKE are the profitable pieces and everything else is losing money.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4486 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2915 times:
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 10): But with the amount of money Northwest is losing, I think it's hard to assume that IND and MKE are the profitable pieces and everything else is losing money.
O/D traffic is always better than handling connecting traffic. Its where the real money is made. I think NW made a bad choice in taking over 8 gates at IND if they were planning on cutting back service. Now they may be looking at going head to head with the likes of AirTran. That isn't a battle they can win anymore. I'm a little shocked at PHX. They packed that plane just about every flight for the entire schedule last year. Only thing I can think of is that they are not prepared to go head to head with the new US/HP. IND isn't a safe place for them anymore unfortunately.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2847 times:
Quoting LambertMan (Reply 5): I really doubt that NW will make notable reductions at IND. By all accounts it does much better than the MKE focus city, and MKE has had minimal cuts. Plus, IND is a pretty strong market and if NW were to leave that would be one large hole in the IND market
But can they really make profit running 44-seat RJ's on some of those routes? Especially routes where they go up against mainline like US' IND-PHL routes? If I had to think of another that might get snuffed out in the near future... I'd say NW/Pinnacle's IND-PHL route. Loads are good from my experience, but with the fares they're charging, and the horrendous block times they have to schedule that aircraft because of PHL, I doubt they can be making anything on that route.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4486 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 14): Not as many flights as you would think...what do they have 10 to 15?
I think it was 16 flights. Their flights included markets not served by any other airline from IND. That included New Orleans, Jacksonville, and Chicago Midway. Not sure if anyone besides them serves BWI from IND.