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AI To Go 6x Weekly YYZ-BHX-ATQ-DEL?  
User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

hey everyone,
i was speaking to a Air India rep at YYZ today and they said that AI is planning to increase their frequency to 6x weekly out of YYZ...has anyone else heard this??

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User currently offlineMrNiji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
has anyone else heard this??

I heard 5 x a week, but that was two months ago. The route is running very well, and with two more 777s soon, it is not unlikely. Don't be surprised of a FRA-SFO announcement soon


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting MrNiji (Reply 1):
Don't be surprised of a FRA-SFO announcement soon

So the routes for the 2 777s seem to be FRA-SFO--3x weekly and supplement another 3x weekly DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ flight, which aint surprising at all given that they have above 80% loads on almost all flights.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
So the routes for the 2 777s seem to be FRA-SFO--3x weekly and supplement another 3x weekly DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ flight, which aint surprising at all given that they have above 80% loads on almost all flights.

I have no clue how it will be later, but your assumption seems very profound! 1 Rustbucket for SFO (3+3 +1 off), one for extension of existing ATQ-YYZ.. now if I am not mistaken, this does give room for 2/3 weekly SYD (if they are rotated properly) - top priority.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting MrNiji (Reply 1):
and with two more 777s soon

Hey - where are these 2 new 777s from? Was there a thread on this that I missed?

Will the FRA-SFO be extensions of a new BOM-FRA flight? Any chance of a BLR-FRA-SFO routing?



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User currently offlineAirish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Adding more frequencies to YYZ makes sense as Jet Airways is looking to start flights to BHX. Lets hope AI can SFO as well there would be a strong VFRS and business market. Hope it happens this winter.

Rather than SYD MrNiji I would like to see more flights to LHR for 3 reasons one as it would be shorter than SYD so if has AI has aircraft problems it will be easer to get flights back to schedule and reposition crew. It keeps B777 crew only in 2 places outside India Europe and North America. Other airlines such as BA are starting flights from destinations such as BLR and second daily flights to BOM and DEL. So to stay completive AI will have to offer more flights to LHR.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4678 times:
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Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
So the routes for the 2 777s seem to be FRA-SFO--3x weekly and supplement another 3x weekly DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ flight, which aint surprising at all given that they have above 80% loads on almost all flights.

Any ideas on the how just the DEL-ATQ-BHX (and return) sector is performing? The provisional CAA statistics show 2001 passengers in August on the route (I think 28 services operated, average of 70 passengers per flight).

David


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

I would like to see AI to go 5/6x weekly at BHX!

Are AI looking at adding more 744's, maybe some more ex SQ birds?

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 8):
Any ideas on the how just the DEL-ATQ-BHX (and return) sector is performing? The provisional CAA statistics show 2001 passengers in August on the route (I think 28 services operated, average of 70 passengers per flight).

David

David, is there any info or statistics regarding the second part of the leg i.e. BHX-YYZ, how are the loads on those flights, are AI popular among the Brits in the BHX, telford areas.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4522 times:
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Quoting Karan69 (Reply 12):
is there any info or statistics regarding the second part of the leg i.e. BHX-YYZ

It's difficult to work out - there were an additional 1100 passengers on that route in August compared to August 2004, but whether that's down to AI alone if there's been an increase in services by other airlines I don't know. Assuming it was all because of AI, then it's an average pick-up of around 35 passengers per flight.

Perhaps the ATQ-DEL-YYZ part of the route is the principal reason for operating the service, with the known demand for an Indian service from the Midlands on a better known airline than those offering one-stop via other countries helping to fill the aircraft. I wonder if 4 A310s a week focusing on just the point-to-point of India-BHX might be more beneficial for BHX in the long-run?

David
ps We want them back in MAN!


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 13):
ps We want them back in MAN!

I'd prefer Jet. Or bmi!


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
i was speaking to a Air India rep at YYZ today and they said that AI is planning to increase their frequency to 6x weekly out of YYZ...has anyone else heard this??

Alitalia is considering flying to ATQ!! Finally, an option for the Punjabi's like me living in Chicago.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 8):
Any ideas on the how just the DEL-ATQ-BHX (and return) sector is performing? The provisional CAA statistics show 2001 passengers in August on the route (I think 28 services operated, average of 70 passengers per flight).

Its a 3X weekly flight. Doesn't that work out to 12-14 services in August? If so, that would be almost 140-160 pax per flight on that route.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 16):
Alitalia is considering flying to ATQ!! Finally, an option for the Punjabi's like me living in Chicago.

Eh?!

Just in case you were exploring the remote possibility of appearing stylishly facetious, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but AI (as cited by the thread originator) is indeed the code for Air India. Alitalia's code is AZ.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 18):
Just in case you were exploring the remote possibility of appearing stylishly facetious, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but AI (as cited by the thread originator) is indeed the code for Air India. Alitalia's code is AZ.

But he IS righT! Even AZ is exploring the possibility at the moment  Wink - ATQ is attractive (too many Panjus abroad), so no wonder Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Air Slovakia fly there


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 18):
Eh?!

Just in case you were exploring the remote possibility of appearing stylishly facetious, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but AI (as cited by the thread originator) is indeed the code for Air India. Alitalia's code is AZ.

I know my airline codes... It was just a quick segue.  Smile


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 15):
Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 10):
What on earth was the ban for, anyway?!?!


I have no fcuking clue. And neither does he. I just wonder why they can't revoke this ban, in the interest of anet. Maybe coz there are some rivalties, making people to behave like small pussycats. Well, OK, let's discuss about new routes from LASX to San Jose by UA and AA

haha! I didnt know he was banned again (I think he has been banned before too - though I havent been around Anet for that long) I dont get it either. In my opinion his posts are always great!

Its a shame he doesnt update his website either anymore.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 16):
Alitalia is considering flying to ATQ!! Finally, an option for the Punjabi's like me living in Chicago.

Thats awesome! more flights to ATQ means that "eventually" in the next 30-40 years the ATQ facilities will be "updated" to handle the traffic of today.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4034 times:
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Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17):
Its a 3X weekly flight. Doesn't that work out to 12-14 services in August?

It does but rememeber 12-14 arrivals and 12-14 departures make 26-28 flights operated = the worst case scenario of 70 pax per flight (or 140 per return service),

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 15):
It rather looks like that something is wrong with your calculation approach

I was only going off the 70% loads that AI attracted at MAN on a 4 weekly service via FCO on A310s; with a bigger catchment area for the Indian commmunities throughout the Midlands area compared to Northwest England and Yorkshire, I would envisage that the frequency I suggested may be okay to operate without the need for an en-route stop.

David


User currently offlineHammerb32 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Hi Dave,

Are those loads you mention on the BHX - Toronto leg ? Locally it has been suggested that loads between Amritsar - BHX are consistently 90% plus. The rumours doing the rounds in BHX are that AI will go 6xweekly between ATQ and BHX but not on the Toronto leg. Jet will shortly announce a 3xweekly BHX - ATQ service again with no onward connection to Toronto, there is even a rumour that Indian Airlines are looking at BHX - ATQ, this seems a bit far fetched to me but here's hoping. Fly Jet have recently confirmed a new weekly service starting this winter from BHX - ATQ via I think via Baku.

The demand for flights to ATQ from the Midlands is massive, at the moment there are effectively 15 flights a week between BHX and ATQ:
AI fly 3xweekly direct, Turkmenistan fly 4xweekly via Ashkabad, Uzbekistan fly 4xweekly via Tashkent and Air Slovakia fly 4xweekly via Bratislava. That isn't including the amount of pax going via Dubai with EK on their 2 daily flights.

An A310 is out of the question as it would not only be too small but I doubt it would make BHX - ATQ non-stop. Weather or not the Toronto leg is expanded remains to be seen and is not a rumour doing the rounds in Brum, if it were that would mean 2 rotations a day for AI from BHX so I wouldn't be complaining.

Ian


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 4):
Any chance of a BLR-FRA-SFO routing?

This is high up there on AI wish list!



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 17):
It does but rememeber 12-14 arrivals and 12-14 departures make 26-28 flights operated = the worst case scenario of 70 pax per flight (or 140 per return service),

But that's only the DEL-ATQ-BHX flight, isn't it?


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting Hammerb32 (Reply 18):
That isn't including the amount of pax going via Dubai with EK on their 2 daily flights.

EK doesnt fly to ATQ.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting Hammerb32 (Reply 18):
An A310 is out of the question as it would not only be too small but I doubt it would make BHX - ATQ non-stop.

Are you sure? PK flies their A310s to Britain, afaik, w/o problem (and TTQ is "just at the border"

Quoting BandA (Reply 16):
haha! I didnt know he was banned again (I think he has been banned before too - though I havent been around Anet for that long) I dont get it either. In my opinion his posts are always great!

He is banned for one or two years. Annd it is ridiculous how this thing is dealt with - no transprency, censorship .. yeah, but Western Users can do all shit here. The inconsistency of some mods...


User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

I would hope that Jet will come to MAN. PIA should take a look at the Swefly figures for LBA and start flights there in my opinion.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 23):
I would hope that Jet will come to MAN.

Yeah, why do they compete with AI on that route (or is there some tacit agreement between 9W and AI, what I suspect????)? Moreover, everyone who had doubts before about AI's adventure Milk route (numerous threads) can see it confirmed that AI's idea was great! Why should 9W be willing to fly this route if it was not lucrative?

I just have the impressions that my Panju (Sadars et al) brothers and sisters need some chaotic service as from AI, where every "snag" will be compensated with another glass of whisky ! I remember last year on AI 164 FRA-DEL (many Panjus apart from me), how GREAT AI was! Chaotic but with heart! First we complain, then we make friends with the FAs! This was my BEST flight (you might remember my TR) - this FA was a genious! Better then the robot professional shit, but that's only me  Wink


25 BandA : haha, how true! as a punjabi+sardar I couldn't agree with you more. I personally dont drink alcohol (and I am not in denial) but most of my family/fr
26 Post contains images BandA : Mrniji, I need to travel to India in late October (after 18th) and after reading your trip reports I have been thinking about giving good old AI anoth
27 Thomsonfly : Hi I have just returned from a trip to YYZ with AI ex BHX and well the trip report will be online hopefully by the end of the week but the flights wer
28 JAGflyer : Just curious, did they tape up your bags with tape reading "BHX" so that they know which ones to pull off in BHX? I know when I fly EL AL from LAX-YY
29 Nimish : Looking forward to reading this trip report. I Don't think AI and the big bookings sites work too well together. To get the best deal on AI you'll ha
30 Post contains images Mrniji : Huh? You can't be a Sardar then And some Haldirams snacks, please.. - last time the crew was busy in distributing surplus amounts, it was quite funny
31 Post contains images BandA : yep, I am a disgrace to sardars lol you are right! AI website is awesome. The fares are very affordable and availability is there. What I meant by "p
32 Post contains images BandA : hehe, yes how could I forget! btw, why doesnt AI start referring "Economy Class" as "Pendu/Village Class"? I mean sure a lot of us Pendus probably fl
33 Post contains images Mrniji : Then you will have to fly via TYO or BKK to catch the 74D (or LAX the 74M, not sure about its config though) - but try the rustbucket to ATQ.. from s
34 Post contains images OURBOEING : I don't drink alcohol and I am a sardar I am talking about hard liquor. Beer sheer.. sab chalda hai yaar.. By the way, after Continental and AA start
35 Post contains images LH459 : You might consider an rtw routing--you could do something like JL to BKK, then AI to India and home via Europe. Routings like that are my specialty!
36 CHI787ORD : Me and my sister refer to the AI YYZ-BHX-ATQ flight as the "Pendu Express". haha. Oh well, Im one of them too i guess. Any word on LH coming to ATQ?
37 Post contains images Mrniji : Now, it is great that on Anet minorities gather.. Sadarswho don't drink are minorities per se.. - people, did you get spoiled in the US of A?? What w
38 Post contains images OURBOEING : To top it all, I even became a vegetarian. Its been almost 4 years. I am a sardar who is married to a brahmin and she followed me became a vegetarian
39 Karan69 : Count me on that too
40 Post contains images Mrniji : you are all crazy.. - puh, I don't wanna deal with you guys anymore
41 Post contains images Nimish : This is one place where I agree with Subin!! . But remember, it does take all types to make this world - and the world would be boring if everyone we
42 Post contains images Aseem : to add to the variety, there was a one sardar guy in my Uni, and he used to speak in Bihari accent. It took us a while to understand what was so "odd"
43 Post contains images Mrniji : And the next I will hear is a Sardar marrying a ST from Nagaland (or a lower-caste girl Tamil Nadu) and settling in the Shri Aurobindo Ashram in Auro
44 Post contains images Thomsonfly : really lol narh they are in seperate creates on AI with normal tags marked BHX trip report online later tonight!! mark
45 Post contains images LH459 : I may not be Indian, but I have enough Indian friends to get it!
46 Post contains images BandA : does root "beer" count? Ah! and you must be the sardar in the photos on Subins Trip Report. Man that one photo where you guys are sitting practically
47 HAWK21M : That was another Sardar [AirIndia]. regds MEL
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