RicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
hey everyone,
i was speaking to a Air India rep at YYZ today and they said that AI is planning to increase their frequency to 6x weekly out of YYZ...has anyone else heard this??
I heard 5 x a week, but that was two months ago. The route is running very well, and with two more 777s soon, it is not unlikely. Don't be surprised of a FRA-SFO announcement soon
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2788 posts, RR: 19 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 3394 times:
Quoting MrNiji (Reply 1): Don't be surprised of a FRA-SFO announcement soon
So the routes for the 2 777s seem to be FRA-SFO--3x weekly and supplement another 3x weekly DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ flight, which aint surprising at all given that they have above 80% loads on almost all flights.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2): So the routes for the 2 777s seem to be FRA-SFO--3x weekly and supplement another 3x weekly DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ flight, which aint surprising at all given that they have above 80% loads on almost all flights.
I have no clue how it will be later, but your assumption seems very profound! 1 Rustbucket for SFO (3+3 +1 off), one for extension of existing ATQ-YYZ.. now if I am not mistaken, this does give room for 2/3 weekly SYD (if they are rotated properly) - top priority.
Airish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3240 times:
Adding more frequencies to YYZ makes sense as Jet Airways is looking to start flights to BHX. Lets hope AI can SFO as well there would be a strong VFRS and business market. Hope it happens this winter.
Rather than SYD MrNiji I would like to see more flights to LHR for 3 reasons one as it would be shorter than SYD so if has AI has aircraft problems it will be easer to get flights back to schedule and reposition crew. It keeps B777 crew only in 2 places outside India Europe and North America. Other airlines such as BA are starting flights from destinations such as BLR and second daily flights to BOM and DEL. So to stay completive AI will have to offer more flights to LHR.
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David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3207 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2): So the routes for the 2 777s seem to be FRA-SFO--3x weekly and supplement another 3x weekly DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ flight, which aint surprising at all given that they have above 80% loads on almost all flights.
Any ideas on the how just the DEL-ATQ-BHX (and return) sector is performing? The provisional CAA statistics show 2001 passengers in August on the route (I think 28 services operated, average of 70 passengers per flight).
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2788 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 8): Any ideas on the how just the DEL-ATQ-BHX (and return) sector is performing? The provisional CAA statistics show 2001 passengers in August on the route (I think 28 services operated, average of 70 passengers per flight).
David
David, is there any info or statistics regarding the second part of the leg i.e. BHX-YYZ, how are the loads on those flights, are AI popular among the Brits in the BHX, telford areas.
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 12): is there any info or statistics regarding the second part of the leg i.e. BHX-YYZ
It's difficult to work out - there were an additional 1100 passengers on that route in August compared to August 2004, but whether that's down to AI alone if there's been an increase in services by other airlines I don't know. Assuming it was all because of AI, then it's an average pick-up of around 35 passengers per flight.
Perhaps the ATQ-DEL-YYZ part of the route is the principal reason for operating the service, with the known demand for an Indian service from the Midlands on a better known airline than those offering one-stop via other countries helping to fill the aircraft. I wonder if 4 A310s a week focusing on just the point-to-point of India-BHX might be more beneficial for BHX in the long-run?
CHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2908 times:
Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter): i was speaking to a Air India rep at YYZ today and they said that AI is planning to increase their frequency to 6x weekly out of YYZ...has anyone else heard this??
Alitalia is considering flying to ATQ!! Finally, an option for the Punjabi's like me living in Chicago.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 8): Any ideas on the how just the DEL-ATQ-BHX (and return) sector is performing? The provisional CAA statistics show 2001 passengers in August on the route (I think 28 services operated, average of 70 passengers per flight).
Its a 3X weekly flight. Doesn't that work out to 12-14 services in August? If so, that would be almost 140-160 pax per flight on that route.
Boeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2765 times:
Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 16): Alitalia is considering flying to ATQ!! Finally, an option for the Punjabi's like me living in Chicago.
Eh?!
Just in case you were exploring the remote possibility of appearing stylishly facetious, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but AI (as cited by the thread originator) is indeed the code for Air India. Alitalia's code is AZ.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2718 times:
Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 18): Just in case you were exploring the remote possibility of appearing stylishly facetious, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but AI (as cited by the thread originator) is indeed the code for Air India. Alitalia's code is AZ.
But he IS righT! Even AZ is exploring the possibility at the moment - ATQ is attractive (too many Panjus abroad), so no wonder Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Air Slovakia fly there
CHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
Just in case you were exploring the remote possibility of appearing stylishly facetious, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but AI (as cited by the thread originator) is indeed the code for Air India. Alitalia's code is AZ.
I know my airline codes... It was just a quick segue.
BandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 15): Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 10):
What on earth was the ban for, anyway?!?!
I have no fcuking clue. And neither does he. I just wonder why they can't revoke this ban, in the interest of anet. Maybe coz there are some rivalties, making people to behave like small pussycats. Well, OK, let's discuss about new routes from LASX to San Jose by UA and AA
haha! I didnt know he was banned again (I think he has been banned before too - though I havent been around Anet for that long) I dont get it either. In my opinion his posts are always great!
Its a shame he doesnt update his website either anymore.
Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 16): Alitalia is considering flying to ATQ!! Finally, an option for the Punjabi's like me living in Chicago.
Thats awesome! more flights to ATQ means that "eventually" in the next 30-40 years the ATQ facilities will be "updated" to handle the traffic of today.
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David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17): Its a 3X weekly flight. Doesn't that work out to 12-14 services in August?
It does but rememeber 12-14 arrivals and 12-14 departures make 26-28 flights operated = the worst case scenario of 70 pax per flight (or 140 per return service),
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 15): It rather looks like that something is wrong with your calculation approach
I was only going off the 70% loads that AI attracted at MAN on a 4 weekly service via FCO on A310s; with a bigger catchment area for the Indian commmunities throughout the Midlands area compared to Northwest England and Yorkshire, I would envisage that the frequency I suggested may be okay to operate without the need for an en-route stop.
Hammerb32 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
Hi Dave,
Are those loads you mention on the BHX - Toronto leg ? Locally it has been suggested that loads between Amritsar - BHX are consistently 90% plus. The rumours doing the rounds in BHX are that AI will go 6xweekly between ATQ and BHX but not on the Toronto leg. Jet will shortly announce a 3xweekly BHX - ATQ service again with no onward connection to Toronto, there is even a rumour that Indian Airlines are looking at BHX - ATQ, this seems a bit far fetched to me but here's hoping. Fly Jet have recently confirmed a new weekly service starting this winter from BHX - ATQ via I think via Baku.
The demand for flights to ATQ from the Midlands is massive, at the moment there are effectively 15 flights a week between BHX and ATQ:
AI fly 3xweekly direct, Turkmenistan fly 4xweekly via Ashkabad, Uzbekistan fly 4xweekly via Tashkent and Air Slovakia fly 4xweekly via Bratislava. That isn't including the amount of pax going via Dubai with EK on their 2 daily flights.
An A310 is out of the question as it would not only be too small but I doubt it would make BHX - ATQ non-stop. Weather or not the Toronto leg is expanded remains to be seen and is not a rumour doing the rounds in Brum, if it were that would mean 2 rotations a day for AI from BHX so I wouldn't be complaining.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 17): It does but rememeber 12-14 arrivals and 12-14 departures make 26-28 flights operated = the worst case scenario of 70 pax per flight (or 140 per return service),
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2343 times:
Quoting Hammerb32 (Reply 18): An A310 is out of the question as it would not only be too small but I doubt it would make BHX - ATQ non-stop.
Are you sure? PK flies their A310s to Britain, afaik, w/o problem (and TTQ is "just at the border"
Quoting BandA (Reply 16): haha! I didnt know he was banned again (I think he has been banned before too - though I havent been around Anet for that long) I dont get it either. In my opinion his posts are always great!
He is banned for one or two years. Annd it is ridiculous how this thing is dealt with - no transprency, censorship .. yeah, but Western Users can do all shit here. The inconsistency of some mods...
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2305 times:
Quoting HUYfan (Reply 23): I would hope that Jet will come to MAN.
Yeah, why do they compete with AI on that route (or is there some tacit agreement between 9W and AI, what I suspect????)? Moreover, everyone who had doubts before about AI's adventure Milk route (numerous threads) can see it confirmed that AI's idea was great! Why should 9W be willing to fly this route if it was not lucrative?
I just have the impressions that my Panju (Sadars et al) brothers and sisters need some chaotic service as from AI, where every "snag" will be compensated with another glass of whisky ! I remember last year on AI 164 FRA-DEL (many Panjus apart from me), how GREAT AI was! Chaotic but with heart! First we complain, then we make friends with the FAs! This was my BEST flight (you might remember my TR) - this FA was a genious! Better then the robot professional shit, but that's only me
25 BandA: haha, how true! as a punjabi+sardar I couldn't agree with you more. I personally dont drink alcohol (and I am not in denial) but most of my family/fr
26 BandA: Mrniji, I need to travel to India in late October (after 18th) and after reading your trip reports I have been thinking about giving good old AI anoth
27 Thomsonfly: Hi I have just returned from a trip to YYZ with AI ex BHX and well the trip report will be online hopefully by the end of the week but the flights wer
28 JAGflyer: Just curious, did they tape up your bags with tape reading "BHX" so that they know which ones to pull off in BHX? I know when I fly EL AL from LAX-YY
29 Nimish: Looking forward to reading this trip report. I Don't think AI and the big bookings sites work too well together. To get the best deal on AI you'll ha
30 Mrniji: Huh? You can't be a Sardar then And some Haldirams snacks, please.. - last time the crew was busy in distributing surplus amounts, it was quite funny
31 BandA: yep, I am a disgrace to sardars lol you are right! AI website is awesome. The fares are very affordable and availability is there. What I meant by "p
32 BandA: hehe, yes how could I forget! btw, why doesnt AI start referring "Economy Class" as "Pendu/Village Class"? I mean sure a lot of us Pendus probably fl
33 Mrniji: Then you will have to fly via TYO or BKK to catch the 74D (or LAX the 74M, not sure about its config though) - but try the rustbucket to ATQ.. from s
34 OURBOEING: I don't drink alcohol and I am a sardar I am talking about hard liquor. Beer sheer.. sab chalda hai yaar.. By the way, after Continental and AA start
35 LH459: You might consider an rtw routing--you could do something like JL to BKK, then AI to India and home via Europe. Routings like that are my specialty!
36 CHI787ORD: Me and my sister refer to the AI YYZ-BHX-ATQ flight as the "Pendu Express". haha. Oh well, Im one of them too i guess. Any word on LH coming to ATQ?
37 Mrniji: Now, it is great that on Anet minorities gather.. Sadarswho don't drink are minorities per se.. - people, did you get spoiled in the US of A?? What w
38 OURBOEING: To top it all, I even became a vegetarian. Its been almost 4 years. I am a sardar who is married to a brahmin and she followed me became a vegetarian
40 Mrniji: you are all crazy.. - puh, I don't wanna deal with you guys anymore
41 Nimish: This is one place where I agree with Subin!! . But remember, it does take all types to make this world - and the world would be boring if everyone we
42 Aseem: to add to the variety, there was a one sardar guy in my Uni, and he used to speak in Bihari accent. It took us a while to understand what was so "odd"
43 Mrniji: And the next I will hear is a Sardar marrying a ST from Nagaland (or a lower-caste girl Tamil Nadu) and settling in the Shri Aurobindo Ashram in Auro
44 Thomsonfly: really lol narh they are in seperate creates on AI with normal tags marked BHX trip report online later tonight!! mark
45 LH459: I may not be Indian, but I have enough Indian friends to get it!
46 BandA: does root "beer" count? Ah! and you must be the sardar in the photos on Subins Trip Report. Man that one photo where you guys are sitting practically
47 HAWK21M: That was another Sardar [AirIndia]. regds MEL
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- ATQ is attractive (too many Panjus abroad), so no wonder Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Air Slovakia fly there
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