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Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?  
User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Over in this topic Bad News for Mesaba... we learned that NW is terminating its lease of 35 ARJs to Mesaba.

What will happen to these 35 ARJs, when 25 are returned [early] to lessors and the other 10 are grounded?

Is there any speculation out there?

[Edited 2005-09-25 01:06:22]


--cslusarc from YWG
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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Thread starter):
Is there any speculation out there?

MSP..MHV?


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

They'd make a cool skydiving planes.

Mark


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Always thought with 4 engines and stol type performance they would make excellent aircraft for intra-carribbean service

User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Well Lufthansa seems to be swooping up ARJ's for City Line ops


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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3):
Always thought with 4 engines and stol type performance they would make excellent aircraft for intra-carribbean service

Carib Air of Barbados tried that. I flew them once ANU-DCF-BGI and return. The route stopped a few months later when someone found out that the 146 was not certified to land at DCF due to lack of runway length.


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Here's More.....Spanjers is in denial phase.....
http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5632426.html


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 4):
Well Lufthansa seems to be swooping up ARJ's for City Line ops

would be cool for LH....



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User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Does Mesaba still operate it's CVG hanger and domicile? If so, what happens when the ARJ's go? I have always thought they were created because of that airplane.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

LH/LX group those seem to be the only carriers interested in it or maybe Asian Spirit (Phillipines) or Hemus Air(Bulgaria).


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5307 times:
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Just as in the other thread you have to remember that these MAY get terms of leases refinanced and then Mesaba's contract with NW reworked as well. Don't bury them till they're dead.

Northwest will have to definitely decide just which routes with which fuel efficient/inefficient aircraft a profitable load can be made. Likely you will see any new leases possibly be short term as pilot contract limitations will be targeted as well to allow newer second generation planes when they can be purchased.

[Edited 2005-09-25 04:24:55]


Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 5):
Carib Air of Barbados tried that. I flew them once ANU-DCF-BGI and return. The route stopped a few months later when someone found out that the 146 was not certified to land at DCF due to lack of runway length.

Whats the runway length at DCF and whats the minimum a 146 needs?

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User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 956 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Rumour has it some of them will be flying in AF colours next year.

User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4074 times:

They will not go to LX, as these are the ARJ85. Swiss is looking to add more ARJ100s.


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User currently onlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4055 times:

Just out of curiosity how do you get an RJ from the United States to Europe?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4035 times:

You fly it through Greenland.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 3858 times:

Doesn't NW lease the Avro, and then sublease the aircraft to Mesaba? In rejecting (or attempting to reject) the aircraft, is NW saying that leasing the planes to Mesaba isn't done at a profit? I would figure that even a small profit on the sublease is better than nothing.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

Cityjet (operating as air france) will be sure to want a few.

www.cityjet.com


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

How about SN? They have a large fleet of ARJ and seeing that they like the lease-rates on them might pick up a few of those? I don't really know if they need any more though.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Indy Post 14, You stop at Halifax, Atlantis, Greenland and over to the British Isles.
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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

I think they'll end up with NW. This is just a game of chicken...the planes will end up spending a few days in the desert, then everything will be re-negotiated and they'll go back into service.

Look for a lot of NW aircraft to take short "vacations."

Steve


User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Maybe NW will try and trade them in for Emb 170s?

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

They certainly won't be going to ASE anymore...


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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Hopefully the wounded duck sounds on landing will be re-installed on other equipment  Wink


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User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

I've never found any specs regarding fuel consumption on the AvroRJs. Are they big fuel guzzlers?

25 N766UA : Same way cessnas, pipers, canadairs, embraers, etc. get there. Throw some fuel in the cabin and make a stop in Greenland or Iceland.
26 Northwestair : I know on a trip from OKC-MEM we have put as little as 12000lbs and as much as 20600lbs of fuel. The 12000lbs being when it was VFR all the way and n
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