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Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?  
User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5691 times:

Over in this topic Bad News for Mesaba... we learned that NW is terminating its lease of 35 ARJs to Mesaba.

What will happen to these 35 ARJs, when 25 are returned [early] to lessors and the other 10 are grounded?

Is there any speculation out there?

[Edited 2005-09-25 01:06:22]


--cslusarc from YWG
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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5674 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Thread starter):
Is there any speculation out there?

MSP..MHV?


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5620 times:

They'd make a cool skydiving planes.

Mark


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5586 times:

Always thought with 4 engines and stol type performance they would make excellent aircraft for intra-carribbean service

User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 weeks ago) and read 5569 times:

Well Lufthansa seems to be swooping up ARJ's for City Line ops


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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3):
Always thought with 4 engines and stol type performance they would make excellent aircraft for intra-carribbean service

Carib Air of Barbados tried that. I flew them once ANU-DCF-BGI and return. The route stopped a few months later when someone found out that the 146 was not certified to land at DCF due to lack of runway length.


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Here's More.....Spanjers is in denial phase.....
http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5632426.html


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 4):
Well Lufthansa seems to be swooping up ARJ's for City Line ops

would be cool for LH....



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User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

Does Mesaba still operate it's CVG hanger and domicile? If so, what happens when the ARJ's go? I have always thought they were created because of that airplane.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

LH/LX group those seem to be the only carriers interested in it or maybe Asian Spirit (Phillipines) or Hemus Air(Bulgaria).


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
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Just as in the other thread you have to remember that these MAY get terms of leases refinanced and then Mesaba's contract with NW reworked as well. Don't bury them till they're dead.

Northwest will have to definitely decide just which routes with which fuel efficient/inefficient aircraft a profitable load can be made. Likely you will see any new leases possibly be short term as pilot contract limitations will be targeted as well to allow newer second generation planes when they can be purchased.

[Edited 2005-09-25 04:24:55]


Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 5):
Carib Air of Barbados tried that. I flew them once ANU-DCF-BGI and return. The route stopped a few months later when someone found out that the 146 was not certified to land at DCF due to lack of runway length.

Whats the runway length at DCF and whats the minimum a 146 needs?

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User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Rumour has it some of them will be flying in AF colours next year.

User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

They will not go to LX, as these are the ARJ85. Swiss is looking to add more ARJ100s.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Just out of curiosity how do you get an RJ from the United States to Europe?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

You fly it through Greenland.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Doesn't NW lease the Avro, and then sublease the aircraft to Mesaba? In rejecting (or attempting to reject) the aircraft, is NW saying that leasing the planes to Mesaba isn't done at a profit? I would figure that even a small profit on the sublease is better than nothing.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Cityjet (operating as air france) will be sure to want a few.

www.cityjet.com


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

How about SN? They have a large fleet of ARJ and seeing that they like the lease-rates on them might pick up a few of those? I don't really know if they need any more though.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Indy Post 14, You stop at Halifax, Atlantis, Greenland and over to the British Isles.
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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

I think they'll end up with NW. This is just a game of chicken...the planes will end up spending a few days in the desert, then everything will be re-negotiated and they'll go back into service.

Look for a lot of NW aircraft to take short "vacations."

Steve


User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Maybe NW will try and trade them in for Emb 170s?

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17651 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

They certainly won't be going to ASE anymore...


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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Hopefully the wounded duck sounds on landing will be re-installed on other equipment  Wink


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User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

I've never found any specs regarding fuel consumption on the AvroRJs. Are they big fuel guzzlers?

25 N766UA : Same way cessnas, pipers, canadairs, embraers, etc. get there. Throw some fuel in the cabin and make a stop in Greenland or Iceland.
26 Northwestair : I know on a trip from OKC-MEM we have put as little as 12000lbs and as much as 20600lbs of fuel. The 12000lbs being when it was VFR all the way and n
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