They were also planning on announcing Orlando-Kansas City and Orlando-Toldeo with these routes, but I guess that has been put on hold. In addition, for those who missed the news, three of the six Orlando Mesa routes announced last month - Charlottesville, Chattanooga, and Fort Wayne - will not start as planned.
Db373 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6249 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1): What type of market are they anticipating MCO-DFW? They just abandoned that hub/focus city and now they plan to go against AA's mainlines? Curious decision.
Well Orlando is a focus city of types for DL, so maybe they're hoping to snag some loyal Delta members in the DFW area? If this isn't their reasoning, then maybe there's something we haven't been told, because I agree. It is a pretty odd route to be starting out of the blue.
Stock1985 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
These seem like interesting choices for service! I would have thought this service was possible 6 months to a year ago when Delta was adding service to Orlando, Lauderdale and Tampa left and right, but at this point in time I do not know. While obviously there will be plenty of passengers, will the yield be high enough to warrant these flights. After slashing other Florida CRJ flights, can these flights really make it, especially with the much longer stage length? Will be interesting to see...
What about adding flights to FLL or TPA from these cities? If they think MCO can make it, what about those...
TokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5883 times:
These are ASA. Great...50 seaters too...not 40.
It's crazy for Delta to operate these with CRJ200s...these routes are NOT suited for the CRJ200s. OKC-MCO distance is over 1000 miles. This is going to be the longest CRJ200 flights ever operated by ASA. How would they expect to take a full payload on this? Maybe on the CRJ700s...I thought delta did away with these long flights on the RJs?
I have had to work plenty of SAV/CHS/JAX-DFW flights on daily basis in the past and the flight would often encounter serious weight/range issues. And MCO is even MORE distance compared to JAX-DFW. One of the good things that came out of Delta pulling ASA out of DFW was getting rid of all of these long ass CRJ routes from DFW. Not good for the passengers.
Mostly during the summer, not to mention TS would be all over the place, or sometimes just for traffic, Fort Worth Center would give these flights horrendous reroutes via IAH and worst case scenario they would stick them out to the west of DFW and come in from that side of the airport....oh and also RJs must be planned within 50 NM from land so it can't go over Gulf like American's B757 on the route. During the winter, it's the strong headwind over 100 knots going westbound.
Carrying an destination alternate and complying with all of these reroute is sometimes very difficult and impossible with high payload. I often had to bump significant amount of payload, planned a fuel stop or simply just divert immediately. This is not smart. I HATE to see ASA operate this...I sure hope I won't see it on my desk. Planning on MCO-MCI? That's nuts! Gotta be a joke.
Planefreak From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5865 times:
Do not be surprised to see DL announce MCO-LGW in the next few weeks. This move would be part of their 25 percent INTL increase and would put pressure on VS and BA. Not to mention it would allow DL passengers greater connection through MCO rather than ATL or CVG.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11431 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
While it seems strange for DL to put RJs up against AA 757s and FL 717s, DFW-MCO is a huge market, and DL does still have at least a somewhat sizeable FF presence in the DFW area (those that haven't jumped ship for AA). I think they can fill up 100 seats each way per day. (Sidenote: ten years ago, DL carried 100 seats each way with one of their three daily mainline flights DFW-MCO. My, how times have changed!)
MarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5598 times:
Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 11): Delta won't announce MCO-LGW. That market is full of leisure passengers (mostly British) that book packages with Virgin and British Airways. It's not a high yield market.
BA and VS make money on the route because of the volume, and the vacation packages they sell.
And that doesn't count all those flights from the UK to Sanford across town (and through all those f***ing toll booths).
"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5400 times:
I would also imagine there are a lot of Delta Frequent Flier Miles still sitting around DFW. Taking a trip to Orlando (or taking the whole family) would allow some of those to also be used and get them off the books.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1291 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4919 times:
I really have to scratch my head on the RJ DFW-MCO decision. As it has already been pointed out, they are competing against mainline service with American and Air Tran on the same route. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the long distance RJ routes did not work very well out of DFW before the hub was pulled. Why would anyone sit in an RJ for 2 1/2 hours or more when you can take a mainline jet? It is just strange that the hub would be pulled due to competition with AA and then you begin to creep back in with those same routes deemed to be unprofitable. True, there are some diehard DL fans in DFW, but a great many former DL customers have found alternative ways to fly out of here. I fear this may be a mistake....
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4830 times:
I'm wondering why DFW-MCO wasn't started with Song instead - it would be a great way to head-off B6. Of course, I'm sure B6 will start the route in a few years, then the route would switch over to Song.
Why not start DFW-MCO/LAS/FLL, DL, and give those FF's some options, and give DFW a good LCC??
Jr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
Quoting Db373 (Reply 2): maybe they're hoping to snag some loyal Delta members in the DFW area
If they want the loyal Delta FF folks, they need to put an aircraft with business seats in the front. My company sends people to MCO ALL the time - no one flies the no-upgrade option. I am still a DL elite, but it probably wont be for too long.
This route will probably do well if Delta goes with a mainline aircraft. They could probably even do well with 3 dailies, there definitely seems to be the traffic based on my few trips on AA. Song might work better too.
It would certainly be nice to see a route or two for Song out of DFW. I think LAX, and JFK (and perhaps FLL) would do well under the song banner, but I know that is not about to happen either. Oh well...
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 21): As a skymiles/skyteam member going from OKC or DFW to MCO, I'd rather connect in MEM or ATL on two mainline flights than sit in a CR2 for 2.5+ hours
It will be interesting to see if passengers opt out for a layover at ATL (hub & spoke) vs a 2.5hr+ flight (point to point) in an RJ. The upside I see here is early morning out, late evening return in relation to OKC. Looks like a RON for the aircraft at OKC.
The downside is using a high seatmile airplane on a long flight, FF miles being used to take families to see the mouse, dumping loads to deal with weather, all chipping away at the yield.