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A380 Back On Track After Delays  
User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 871 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

Did a search for this, but couldn't find it. If it's been posted already, my apologies.
Anyway, according to Airwise News (article dated Sept. 23rd), according to Airbus, the A380 is back on track:

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1127485039.html

Cheers
-Milan320


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

It has been posted before, with a german link, but proved to be a misquote. It said there are to be no further delays.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6996 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Last week someone on A.Net described the A380 programme as "a fiasco"...  sarcastic 

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8389 times:
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This was being discussed but apparantly the original topic has been deleted

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=10397

Luchtvaartnieuws is reporting that after Airbus hired extra personnel they have solved the issues surrounding the delay. Whether this indeed means that they have caught up on the 6 months delay or that there just won't be any more delays is unclear from the article. The article does say that the solution has been found without further exceeding the budget, which according to the article has been exceeded bij 1,45 billion euros.



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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Last week someone on A.Net described the A380 programme as "a fiasco"...

It was NAV20 most probably. He also said that Airbus was heading to bankruptcy. 2 or 3 years more and that will be over .  Smile


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

So have they recovered the lost 8 months or are they simply looking good for the revised schedule?

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

On a related note, Building the A380 is airing on Discovery UK at the moment.

They said the breakeven was 250, but I think that figure is out of date.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

Airbus hope to avoid any further delays on the A380. However, delivery date to Singapore Airlines is now quoted as 'November or December. 2006, which is later than the October date previously stated.

"The first plane due to be delivered commercially is one of five A380s taking shape under an undercoat of green paint in the assembly plant, with only the livery on the tail giving away its future owner -- Singapore Airlines, which will receive the plane in November or December 2006.

http://today.reuters.com/investing/f...TRIDST_0_TRANSPORT-AIRBUS-A380.XML

[Edited 2005-09-25 16:28:01]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6996 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7826 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 5):
It was NAV20 most probably.

Not on this occasion. It was someone with a US flag.


User currently offlineSlarty From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

"Airbus new Chief Executive Gustav Humbert told French reporters last week the cost of these would be less than 100 million euros but rowed back on Thursday, saying the final figure needed to be negotiated."

If it's "back on track" how come they still talk ~ 100M Euros for late payments???

Are they pre-announcing that they intend to still be 6 months late?

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
Airbus hope to avoid any further delays on the A380. However, delivery date to Singapore Airlines is now quoted as 'November or December. 2006, which is later than the October date previously stated.

Does this make them 8 months late?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

Yes, once again an A booster posts a misleading topic title. The A380 program is clearly NOT "back on track" but is "experiencing no further delays based on their new delayed delivery schedule" and anyone who tries to claim that is the same thing is fooling themselves.

Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-B people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

7-8 months, Slarty.

That will be especially bad news for SIA. The November/February period is 'summer high season' in the Southern Hemisphere. Up to now, Singapore will have been hoping to have a free high-season run at the 'Kangaroo Route' - given that their competitors, like Qantas and Emirates, were definitely going to have to wait till 2007 for their A380s.

Now it looks as if they'll miss out on most, if not all, of the 2006/7 high season, like the rest. If they don't even take delivery of the first aircraft till November, there seems no way they can get enough into service to service the Christmas rush.



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 871 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Yes, once again an A booster posts a misleading topic title.

I know you like to attack me, whenever I say anything about Airbus but this time I didn't make the headline but the author of the article where the link points to. I mearly copied it, but I guess you couldn't see that. If you have a beef with that, take it with them. I'm sure there's a contact e-mail at the end of it.
-Milan320



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 871 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-B people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?

All those people you speak of must have learned it from the pro-B anti-A people who do the same!!!
  
-Milan320

[Edited 2005-09-25 21:07:50]


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10234 posts, RR: 97
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6121 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 4):
The article does say that the solution has been found without further exceeding the budget, which according to the article has been exceeded bij 1,45 billion euros.

Interestingly, the $1.77Bn cost "growth" was mis-reported on here as actual growth, but was determined by Airbus at the time as "Cost growth RISK".

One assumes that there was already some idea of the programme delay due to harness re-design when the risk review was done.
Hence the comment "no further cost growth"..

I side with Ikramerica on this one - "back on track" means the programme is back in full swing with no FURTHER delay....


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5966 times:

Sorry cheerleaders, but that article could equally read that the particular aircraft being painted in SQ colours is to be delivered at the time stated.

As it is prt of the test program then there may well be another frame delivered to SQ prior to that. Line number 5 could be the first to be delivered, not 3 which is now being built and will join the test flying.


User currently offlineDazeflight From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 580 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Yes, once again an A booster posts a misleading topic title. The A380 program is clearly NOT "back on track" but is "experiencing no further delays based on their new delayed delivery schedule" and anyone who tries to claim that is the same thing is fooling themselves.

Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-B people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?

Shut up already. The first article of them all, the one in the Spiegel magazine, clearly stated that they where back on track (read: no 6 month delay any more). It was later revised, as has been stated here before.

And yes, this posts topic title is the exact title of the quoted article. So where's your problem? Obviously you can't do without a 'lil A. vs. B. retoric. That's nothing else but piss-poor.


User currently offlineSlarty From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
I side with Ikramerica on this one - "back on track" means the programme is back in full swing with no FURTHER delay....

But a FURTHER delay, it appears *was* snuck into the announcement ... as per NAV20's post:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
However, delivery date to Singapore Airlines is now quoted as 'November or December. 2006, which is later than the October date previously stated.

So delivery to SQ could now be 7-8 months late now, rather than the 6 months that had been officially reported before? If so, the title for this journalistic blather is even more inappropriate ... LOL


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 5):
It was NAV20 most probably. He also said that Airbus was heading to bankruptcy. 2 or 3 years more and that will be over .

Total Hogwash. Airbus has a good 5 years left. Give or take 20 weeks.



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User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

There was also an article on that website saying that Air Canada had reached an agreement with it's pilots regarding the 777s and 787s. Does this mean the order will soon be back on?

User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 17):
Shut up already. The first article of them all, the one in the Spiegel magazine, clearly stated that they where back on track (read: no 6 month delay any more). It was later revised, as has been stated here before.

And yes, this posts topic title is the exact title of the quoted article. So where's your problem? Obviously you can't do without a 'lil A. vs. B. retoric. That's nothing else but piss-poor.

The problems are that news out of Toulouse these days is no different than 346 revenue performance figures. Or, to say, "The Twilight Zone."  Smile

Every airline knows it as well. Oh, by the way, anyone heard form Mr. Leahy latey? He is the reason Airbus is in it's current position with all his wild hype and fiction during the lead up to the 380.

Of course one cant blame him for the redesigns of the (F) & (R) Fuse, Wing Structure, Gear, and Horizontal Stab Harmonics.

I'm sure things will be relatively ok at some point. However, SQ taking delivery in 7-8 months is a dream as of today. They will wait though. As the airframes will be mostly cost free by the time they take delivery.  Smile



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User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Quoting RJ777 (Reply 20):
There was also an article on that website saying that Air Canada had reached an agreement with it's pilots regarding the 777s and 787s. Does this mean the order will soon be back on?

Yes. Air Canada has been burning the midnight oil behind the scenes to keep what is left of their slots.

Kudos to Boeing for leaving the door slightly open for them. Boeing could have easily done away with all the slots.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 14):
All those people you speak of must have learned it from the pro-B anti-A people who do the same!!!

Pardon me, I mistyped and was not trying to start a flame war by any means, but trying to STOP such wars for maybe one thread.

I meant to type:

"Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-A people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?"

I was not implying it was only one sided, only my typo did result in that coming out.

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 13):
I know you like to attack me, whenever I say anything about Airbus but this time I didn't make the headline but the author of the article where the link points to. I mearly copied it, but I guess you couldn't see that. If you have a beef with that, take it with them. I'm sure there's a contact e-mail at the end of it.

Sorry, but that's no excuse. You can quote anyone you want, but that doesn't make what they say true or your motivations neutral.

But if you must quote misleading headlines, you also MUST use quotes yourself. If those are not your words, you MUST use quotes to reflect that, or you are seen to either agree with the words, or worse, you are attributing someone else's words to yourself.

Next time you quote somebody else, especially in a topic heading, and don't want to take any responsibility for it  Wink you should try this:

"A380 Back On Track After Delays" says article

Anyone who read that title would not have the right to think you had any personal bias nor that you were taking someone else's words.

And as my typo shows, mistakes are made all the time. But when I notice a mistake, I don't get all bitter and defensive, but correct myself. So now you know that in the future, words that are not your own need to be attributed.

Oh, and movie titles should be in quotes or italics as well. Big grin



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4540 times:
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Quoting Milan320 (Thread starter):
Anyway, according to Airwise News (article dated Sept. 23rd), according to Airbus, the A380 is back on track:

Thank you for posting that, Milan320.

I plan to book myself on an early flight, so, at my age, when it enters service is of considerable interest to me.  Smile

If SQ or QF don't bring it to AKL, I'll just have to go to where the plane is.

Odd that so many people here don't find this exciting - or even interesting, it seems.

cheers

mariner



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25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : try EK, I'm sure you'll get on theirs..... I don't like to fly on the 747 as it is, much less potentially flying on TheWhaleJet with 450-500 others..
26 Post contains images Mariner : I'm not sure that Emirates have plans for the A380 at AKL yet? I love the 747, especially the 400. It give me a sense of "going somewhere", not just
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : not sure myself..I wouldn't think there would be a market for that route justifying The WhaleJet... last time I flew on a 747-400 was in Jan 2004 BA-
28 Post contains images Mariner : You can only be comfortable in a 777? Gosh. I agree. How sad is that? cheers mariner
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : quite honestly, I'm not sure what I meant by that statement.... ...maybe I shouldn't be watching American football while typing responses on A.net...
30 NAV20 : This paragraph in the original story caught my eye:- "Airbus new Chief Executive Gustav Humbert told French reporters last week the cost of these woul
31 Post contains images PM : Oh yeah. It was an act of pure altruism...
32 EGTESkyGod : So does anyone know when and where the A380 will make her UK debut?
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