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Longest Airport Runway? (Any Type)  
User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27788 times:

I am curious to know which can be the longest runway of the airports throughout the world (commercial and non-commercial).

And the second question (rather for pilots). Is there any commercial airport runway where most aircraft in most conditions have v1 > vr and v2?

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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27761 times:

Longest non-commercial runway in Europe is Istres ( french flight test -center ) close to Marseille.It makes nearly 4400 meters..


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17056 posts, RR: 67
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27723 times:

The longest non-commercial runway is at Edwards AFB, especially if you count the non-paved part.

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Thread starter):
And the second question (rather for pilots). Is there any commercial airport runway where most aircraft in most conditions have v1 > vr and v2?

V1 can well equal Vr, but will never be higher. But V1 or Vr cannot equal V2. It takes a little bit of time after rotation for the wheels to leave the ground.



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27703 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
Longest non-commercial runway in Europe is Istres ( french flight test -center ) close to Marseille.It makes nearly 4400 meters..

 no 


ISTRES (LFMI) has indeed the longest Runway in Europe.
But this Runway (15/33) is much longer than 4400m ... it has a total length of more than 5 km. 5072m/16.640 ft.


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User currently offlineCraigW From South Africa, joined Aug 2005, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 27571 times:

Upington (UTN) Airport in South Africa, has 4 900m-long runway - the longest in Africa and long enough to land a space shuttle.

some historty from Airports Company South Africa:

Upington Airport, initially named Pierre van Ryneveld Airport, was opened in 1968. In 1974 a corrugated-iron fire station was erected.

With the fall of the Portuguese regime in Angola, South African Airways lost its landing rights in Luanda. And the restrictions on flying over African states were compounded by concern that the country would lose its landing rights in the Ivory Coast and Isle de Sol.

As a result, Upington Airport's runway was built to accommodate a Boeing 747 with a full load of passengers, cargo and fuel – allowing planes to take off for Europe without having to stop along the way. Upington was chosen because of its height above sea level, position and available land. The airport's 4 900m-long runway was built in a record seven months in 1975.

From August 1976 to December 1996, SAA used Upington as a refuelling station for two weekly scheduled Boeing 747 flights to London and Zurich.

In 1996 the original fire station was converted into offices for airport management and other administrative staff.

The airport is also used by the military. The SA Air Force and SAA use the airport to train 747 and 707 pilots. The SAAF also used the airport to train pilots for the South African presidential jet.



British Airways Concorde landed at Upington Airport in June 1976. The airport boast one of the longest runways in Africa at 4,9 kilometers. (Africa’s busiest airport Johannesburg International, has a runway length of 4,4 kilometers).

There is an interesting history behind the construction of the Upington runway. Early August 1975, LTA Earthworks construction company won a R8,5 million Government tender for the construction of South Africa’s first ‘launching pad’ for heavy aircraft and non-stop flights to Europe. This was the largest civil engineering contract ever undertaken within such a tight schedule in South Africa. It was completed within five months.


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 27545 times:

From what I could find, the longest is at area 51 in Nevada

www.area51zone.com/structures.shtml

6 miles? 12? 24? I read it was around 31,000ft paved. But who knows?


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 27510 times:

How about the runway at easter island?


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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4024 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 27475 times:

I thought the main runway at Zhukovski (if that's how it is spelled), near Moscow, was more than 5 km. That would make it longer than Istres. But I could be wrong...


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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4335 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 27419 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 5):
From what I could find, the longest is at area 51 in Nevada

www.area51zone.com/structures.shtml

6 miles? 12? 24? I read it was around 31,000ft paved. But who knows?

If it is 31,000 feet, I can't imagine all of it would be paved. Runways beyond several miles in length are useful only for emergency or unusual landing regimes so it would be an incredible waste of money to pave something that long if it's only going to be used very rarely.

Edwards (KEDW) has a runway, 22/4, that is paved for 15,013 feet (4,575 meters) and unpaved for an additional 9,588 feet (2,922 meters). It's 300 feet (91 meters) wide and serves the purpose of accommodating standard or expected flight performances on the paved portion and has the unpaved portion to accommodate unexpected or emergency situations.

KEDW's longest runway is 35/17, at 39,097 feet (11,916 meters). It also happens to be 900 feet (274 meters) wide.

I think the longest paved runway in the U.S. is at DEN. 34L/16R is 16,000 feet (4,876 meters) X 200 feet (61 meters).



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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 27377 times:

I would say JNB is pretty close to being one of the longest, or it seems like it when you take off in a fully loaded B747, I thought we were driving back to LHR  Smile


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User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 27090 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 8):
I think the longest paved runway in the U.S. is at DEN. 34L/16R is 16,000 feet (4,876 meters) X 200 feet (61 meters).

Isn't the Space Shuttle runway at Kennedy Space centre longer than that?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 27060 times:

I believe the Area 51 runway is in fact paved, 300 wide and 31000 long. Probably also thick enough to land the weight of the Titanic on it (That's a joke, people). The longest commercial runway in the US and possibly the world is KDEN runway 16R/34L at 16000 x 200.

Source: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDEN


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 26983 times:

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 10):
Isn't the Space Shuttle runway at Kennedy Space centre longer than that?

No, the Shuttle Runway at Kennedy is an even 15,000 feet long...

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTTS

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User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 26956 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 5):
From what I could find, the longest is at area 51 in Nevada

www.area51zone.com/structures.shtml

6 miles? 12? 24? I read it was around 31,000ft paved. But who knows?

For some reason I think that site is BS.

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User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 26922 times:
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Since he said any type, X44 at Miami is 15000 x 600 feet, equal in length to the shuttle landing runway. http://www.airnav.com/airport/X44


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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4335 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 26865 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
I believe the Area 51 runway is in fact paved, 300 wide and 31000 long. Probably also thick enough to land the weight of the Titanic on it (That's a joke, people). The longest commercial runway in the US and possibly the world is KDEN runway 16R/34L at 16000 x 200.



Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 13):
For some reason I think that site is BS

I think that site, like many others about "Area 51", is bogus. There's no reason to have anything that long that is paved. Frankly, if any flying machine required a 31,000 ft paved runway for operations, its utility would be extremely limited since "Area 51" would obviously be the only place in the world where it could operate from.

Also, the picture of the runway on that site that appears to show a long runway could in fact simply be a highway. If you look at aerial photos (e.g., maps.google.com) you'll notice a lot of highways in that area of Nevada that run for miles without a single curve. I also know first hand because I drove through the area about 15 years ago on a vacation and actually drove at 100+ mph for over a 10 mile stretch on the opposite side of the road (I was bored and looking to break the monotony of the drive) - the entire sprint was flat and straight and the only reason I didn't keep going was because I was worried about the tires overheating and rupturing.

[Edited 2005-09-25 22:14:33]


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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 26807 times:

Hwange National Park Airport in nothwestern Zimbabwe has a runway length of 15092 ft although only a fraction of that is actually used by the Air Zimbambwe Bae 146 and B732 serving the airport.

When I few into there a few years back, the pilot made a low pass prior to landing to chase the wildlife away.

The runway was built by the British prior to independence and the fell into the hands of the beloved comrade Robert in 1980  

[Edited 2005-09-25 22:34:18]

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 26800 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 8):
If it is 31,000 feet, I can't imagine all of it would be paved. Runways beyond several miles in length are useful only for emergency or unusual landing regimes so it would be an incredible waste of money to pave something that long if it's only going to be used very rarely.

Area 51 is Government owned, what do they care how much it costs? It's not like it's their own money ...  Wink

As far as the longest commercial runway in Canada is concerned, I believe tha that YYC holds that record with rwy 16-34 @ 12,675 feet.



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User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 26720 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 15):
I think that site, like many others about "Area 51", is bogus. There's no reason to have anything that long that is paved. Frankly, if any flying machine required a 31,000 ft paved runway for operations, its utility would be extremely limited since "Area 51" would obviously be the only place in the world where it could operate from.

Although Groom Lake AFB aka "Area 51" is the topic of much speculation, misinformation and hype. One thing is factually known about the place. It is or was a test facility for secret (some to be public latter) aircraft. To think the USAF would not have this facility able to handle all types of flight testing to include a no brake, no reverse thruster or chute landing is VERY believable. So I for one totally believe the photos of the runways and their lengths. As for the rest of the crap you hear about that place who knows. Some people actually think this flight test center has the duel role of housing live aliens too. Give some people a few facts and their minds will run away with wild fantasies to fill in what they don't know.

[Edited 2005-09-25 23:12:32]


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 26663 times:

Ulyanovsk-Vostochny International Airport (ULY/UWLW) in Russia has the longest commercial runway in the world.

It's single runway, runway 02/20 is 16,490 x 310 feet/5,026 x 94 meters, all paved.

It has such a long runway because it was designated as one of the diversion fields for the Buran space shuttle.

Here is the airport's website:
http://www.ulvost.ru/eng

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User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 26625 times:

LAS has 7L/25R at 14510 x 150 ft. / 4423 x 46 m (from airnav). Of course, when its 115F in the summer, you'll need all of it to get off the ground.

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 26561 times:

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 13):
For some reason I think that site is BS

Of course.

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 18):
So I for one totally believe the photos of the runways and their lengths.

Yes. If you look at satellite photos of Groom Lake on Google, you can see that the total length of the runway is no longer than about 15000 feet, absolute maximum. All of it does look paved, but there isn't much of anything beyond either end.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 26256 times:

DEN has one runway which is 16,000 feet long.


http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDEN

[Edited 2005-09-26 01:56:32]

User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25936 times:

Now really, how many more people are going to post DEN? I think we've established the runway length at DEN.

So, to recap:

KSC: 15,000 ft
EDW: 15,013 ft
DEN: 16,000 ft
Upington: 16,076 ft
Ulyanovsk-Vostochny: 16,490 ft
Istres: 16,640 ft
Area 51: ??,??? ft

So far, all we can tell is that the longest known runway is at Istres. Somehow I don't think we'll ever know for certain what they have for a runway at Area 51.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25760 times:

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 23):
Somehow I don't think we'll ever know for certain what they have for a runway at Area 51.

Why not do what I did and look at satellite imagery on Google? I found it easily.


25 Bond007 : hmmmm......any type??? hmmmm......seaplanes???
26 MarkATL : Let's see, no one will argue that the Air Force’s ambiguity can be to the point of annoyance when it comes to Groom Lake's current and future activ
27 Idlewild : I believe the runway in Florida for the space shuttle is 18,000 ft long and very paved. In fact it's also supposed to be the most level runway in the
28 FXMD11 : One of the longest here in Asia is Utapao / Thailand. Used by the USAF during the Vietnam War. Today it is just a small airport for tourist flight. TG
29 Ikramerica : And UFOs hover anyway. Pavement would only prevent dust being sucked into the engines.
30 HPRamper : The SR-71 is (or was) based out of Beale AFB in California, and the runway there is only 12,000 feet. The runway at Area 51, or Groom Lake, is clearl
31 Adriaticus : Latin America's longest runway is TLC Adolfo López Mateos International Airport (Toluca, capital city of the State of Mexico), at 13780 x 148 Ft.: La
32 Post contains images 1MillionFlyer : No one else did on this thread. But I see you referenced it again
33 MarkATL : You're refering to active deployment. I'm refering to pre-deployment flight testing. These are two very different things. They didn't put those thing
34 Post contains images HPRamper : I concede your point that during testing no chances would be taken of overshooting a runway or something of that nature. Either way, Area 51 (or what
35 Halophila : Depends if you are flying a cloaked liquid methane powered a/c that travels at ultrasonic speeds (Mach 8) which is virtually silent. How long is La P
36 N1120A : DEN's runway is the longest commercial runway in the US, as well as the longest commercial runway among major world airports Don't forget too that LA
37 MarkATL : That's why I said places "like" Groom Lake. God only knows what our tax dollars are being used to test right now, much less where.
38 HPRamper : Are you referring to the legendary Aurora spyplane?
39 Longhornmaniac : What do I search for on Google Earth to find Groom Lake AFB? Where is it?!?!
40 Vikkyvik : The PAVED main runway at Edwards is 15,013. It has an extension onto the lakebed, which is some thousands of feet, I believe. There are also strictly
41 Post contains images Fuffla : I know this isn't the longest, but it is in Australia and that has to mean something Sydney Airport's (YSSY, SYD) main runway (16R/34L) has a length o
42 Post contains links PITrules : I also think Groom Lake has the longest runway. In the link provided by LegendDC9, the (somewhat outdated) satelite photo shows the runway to be half
43 Longhornmaniac : I finally found it on Google Earth. Can someone please explain to me why there seem to be so many commercial planes? They appear to be 732s.
44 Lehpron : The region of southwest Nevada owned by the government was divided into sections called 'areas' back in the pre-1950's era and #51 had a giant dry lak
45 EKGOLD : Doha International Airport (DOH/OTBD) RWY 16/34 4,572m Supposedly an emergency landing site for US Space Shuttle...
46 Arkhem : Lol, but this is a water runway! Actually I'm suprised at the number of 15k foot water runways in North America. The 737-200s are used to shuttle emp
47 Halophila : Ah, thank you. I knew I was ignorant, thanks for pointing it out. Ever since that time I flew on that Boeing A330-500, things haven't been the same.
48 Eadster : Yeah I was going to post that! I read somewhere it follows the curve of the earth.
49 HPRamper : You can't look it up by that name, you just have to be able to physically locate it on a satellite map. All government-owned land is designated by "a
50 Post contains images Pawsleykat : I thought it was the Polderbaan runway at AMS, 3600m long. (If I am not mistaken). Well, I guess a perfect - - 13 year old has to be proven wrong some
51 Vegasplanes : The 732's you see operate from LAS, operated by EG &G, or some sunsiduary of, which is a US Defense contractor. I believe they have a fleet of 6-8, a
52 Post contains links HT : KLSV´s 3L/21R: 10123 X 200 ft (3R/21L is very slightly shorter). Those B732 are employed from LAS to a number of places throughout the state of Neva
53 Post contains links Rwy32R : According this chart,the runway at Istres AFB is 4958m (3700+1208).4958m=16266 ft http://www.dircam.air.defense.gouv.fr/dia/PDF/ISTRES_MILA.pdf Istres
54 Hauke : Just a short question why do you need a 16 000 foot runway at denver anyway? isn't it just used for commercial airlines?
55 Post contains images Fuffla : Maybe the government wants to feel special, or they are compensating for something.
56 Bond007 : Oh God! So an ultrasonic aircraft must be a 'really, really small' plane right ?? You might ask 'your staff' to explain to you what 'ultrasonic' REAL
57 Starlionblue : Denver is way above sea level, so it's partly to compensate for that.
58 AKelley728 : " target=_blank>http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDEN Wrong! Both of the following people posted about DEN before you did: " target=_blank>http://www.air
59 AirGabon : Go to Kinshasa N'Djili Airport (FIH) one of the longest commercial runway in Africa, maybe 4400 or 4600 meters. During the 80s I think this runway is
60 Post contains images HAJFlyer : Really ? I would image that the shuttle would have been looted at FIH before it even came to a stop.
61 Post contains links HPRamper : Thank you, at the time Airnav wasn't working for me so I couldn't look myself. I'm surprised it's so short, I thought bombers were based out of Nelli
62 Post contains images N323ER : V1 and V2 can never be the same otherwise you would br retracting your gear on the runway guess that would be interesting though RYAN RIACREW
63 N1120A : The runway at KTNX is 12,000 X 150 Janet planes. The length of 16R/34L is specifically to compensate for the height of DEN (5431 ft.) combined with r
64 1MillionFlyer : it is 1580 meters above sea level, on a hot summer day (40,5 C) you can like we had here just 3 weeks ago, you can easily use 80% of the runway or mo
65 Longhornmaniac : What are Janet Planes? Yesterday, the high in AUS was 108. It was miserable. How would that affect the takeoff roll of say an AA MD-82? AUS has twin
66 1MillionFlyer : EG&G 737-200's which fly Area 51 flights. Their call sign is "Janet"
67 Halophila : Does the word "fecetious" mean anything to anyone? I was trying to be funny. Oh well.
68 Post contains links 1MillionFlyer : It's not a word from www.dictionary.com: No entry found for fecetious. if you meant "fecal like" then that is a little scatological.
69 PITrules : My post was about Area 51, not KTNX.
70 N1120A : Sorry, I saw the reference to Tonopah and ran from there. KTNX is the Tonopah Flight Test Range
71 PITrules : No Problem. Googlemaps does not recognize Area 51, so I started at Tonopah then slewed the map over to Area 51, then created the link.
72 Post contains images Halophila : Facetious. I give up. Thanks for pointing out my flaws
73 Zeke : Just put 37°14'1.06"N, 115°47'48.35"W into the search function should take you right there.
74 Soups : the runway at LPB which is the highest comercial airport in the world at 13,313ft altitude and has a lehth of 13,123 ft Credit to:Ricardo Saenz
75 Rampero : Aguadilla (BQN) Puerto Rico former Ramey AFB has 11,700 FT. BQN has the longest runway in the caribbean.
76 B744F : They also have smaller planes, some B200's I think
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