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User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9037 times:

Effective October 4, 2005, U.S. legislation will require foreign nationals to provide to air carriers a valid U.S. address during their stay “BEFORE” the departure of their U.S. bound flight.

So what's the deal with this?
I know you normally would provide this on the I-94 form.
What if you're going to be staying at multiple locations during you're stay, do you give them just the first? If so what's the point?
I'm travelling to the US in late Oct, do I need to contact my airline and let them know the details or is it something that is done during check in?

Any info appreciated guys
Thanx
Stu

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User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

This is all to do with the new Advanced Passenger Information (API) legislation, basically requires you to tell your airline information about where your staying in the US before your departure day. Below are some links which better explain how its all going to work out:


http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...ngerinformation/api/apisummary.jsp

http://www.customs.gov/xp/cgov/trave...facilities/apis/apis_factsheet.xml

Hope this helps.
FLVILLA



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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Yes - until now they just had to send the passenger's name, date of birth and passport details through the APIS system, but from October 4th all the remaining details will have to be sent too. From what I've heard it's causing some of the airlines problems, as their systems don't always have the fields to store this level detail.

I'd imagine it'll cause longer checkin queues for the first few weeks, as anyone who had an existing booking will not have had that information taken from them at the time. The checkin agent will have to update the PNR while the passenger is at the counter. Will be interesting to see what happens!


User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Cool, thanx for the info guys.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Anyone here works in the airlines still? When i worked there, sabre had a passport entry that provided the name/PPnumber/DOB.. There is another field that is called Passenger Contact information, where you put in the name and number of someone in the US, for use in the case of emergency... this is pretty much free text but I am not sure if it can take an entire address...


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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8774 times:

Quoting Sfuk (Thread starter):
Effective October 4, 2005, U.S. legislation will require foreign nationals to provide to air carriers a valid U.S. address during their stay “BEFORE” the departure of their U.S. bound flight.

Another waste of time! How does this increase security? Anyone can simply look up a valid address on the internet and plug it in. That does not mean that person will be actually at that location. What a massive waste of time and out tax $$$. But then again what is Washington good for anyway other than wasting billions of dollars of hard-earned US Tax dollars!

Those of you who are interested in reading about how our esteemed legislators waste tax dollars, please click the link below:
http://www.cagw.org/site/FrameSet?st...ions.cagw.org/pigbook/pigbook.php3

[Edited 2005-09-25 19:04:47]


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User currently offlineSilverfox From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

I have heard there is a new US Dept set up to visit EVERYONE to make sure thay are at the address stated!!!!

User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Quoting Silverfox (Reply 6):

Um, are you sure?
Seems like an impossible task to me??


User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8583 times:

Quoting Silverfox (Reply 6):
I have heard there is a new US Dept set up to visit EVERYONE to make sure thay are at the address stated!!!!

What happens if you are renting a villa and are out at the time?!!?!!?


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8554 times:

Quoting Silverfox (Reply 6):
have heard there is a new US Dept set up to visit EVERYONE to make sure thay are at the address stated!!!!

Most unlikely, how many "agents" would it take to ensure that everyone will be where the say they will be! However, I wouldn't be surpised if it was suggested by the US in order to intimidate or put off potential "trouble-makers".



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User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8530 times:

Quoting Silverfox (Reply 6):
I have heard there is a new US Dept set up to visit EVERYONE to make sure thay are at the address stated!!!!

LMAO ! Highly unlikley my friend, think about how many thousands of agents that would require ! Also they cant (no-ones immigration seems able too) keep track of all the illegals streaming in anyway, what makes you think theyre priority is going to be the average holiday maker who has the proper documentation ??



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8521 times:

Quoting Star_world (Reply 2):
Yes - until now they just had to send the passenger's name, date of birth and passport details through the APIS system, but from October 4th all the remaining details will have to be sent too. From what I've heard it's causing some of the airlines problems, as their systems don't always have the fields to store this level detail.

I'd imagine it'll cause longer checkin queues for the first few weeks, as anyone who had an existing booking will not have had that information taken from them at the time. The checkin agent will have to update the PNR while the passenger is at the counter. Will be interesting to see what happens!

They can b*tch all they want, you are coming to the U.S. so you have to follow all the rules....if you don't like it, go somewhere else.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8514 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 11):
They can b*tch all they want, you are coming to the U.S. so you have to follow all the rules....if you don't like it, go somewhere else.

That's why I haven't been back.



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8479 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 12):

That's why I haven't been back.

and we haven't missed you.....  Wink


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

At least we're in agreement then.

 talktothehand 

Anyway, the topic in hand. Perhaps it would be idea to pass this information (or as much of it as you have) at the time of making the reservation. Then the information can be migrated from the PNR to the check-in record.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8413 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 11):
They can b*tch all they want, you are coming to the U.S. so you have to follow all the rules....if you don't like it, go somewhere else.

I would strongly prefer that we not alienate everyone who tries to visit the US, especially when there is no obvious security benefit from it.

Over time, the 40,000,000 or so vistors we get annually will begin to drop and the way our economy is being run, we need to keep that flow of cash coming.

Not to mention that since most Americans never travel abroad, having folks visit us is the only way for most Americans to get an outsider's view of how we treat the rest of the world.



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 5):
Anyone can simply look up a valid address on the internet and plug it in. That does not mean that person will be actually at that location.



Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 10):
LMAO ! Highly unlikley my friend, think about how many thousands of agents that would require !



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 9):
Most unlikely, how many "agents" would it take to ensure that everyone will be where the say they will be!

To solve the problem of people just looking up any valid address is to make random checks. No I am not saying EVERY SINGLE person but make it clear that random checks will be made on visitors. If they are NOT at the location they indicated before arriving in the U.S., they shall face consequeneces for providing false information.

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
I would strongly prefer that we not alienate everyone who tries to visit the US, especially when there is no obvious security benefit from it.

Who is saying everyone? Most people don't really mind these security measures. There are just a few, the type that complain about EVERYTHING, that will raise h*ll about these new measures. You can't sacrifice the nation's security just to lure more tourists.....Sept 11th 2001 ring a bell?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17029 posts, RR: 67
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 16):

To solve the problem of people just looking up any valid address is to make random checks. No I am not saying EVERY SINGLE person but make it clear that random checks will be made on visitors. If they are NOT at the location they indicated before arriving in the U.S., they shall face consequeneces for providing false information.

And what if a visitor changes his or her plans? Happens all the time. Are you going to penalize him/her for not staying put???

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 16):
Who is saying everyone? Most people don't really mind these security measures. There are just a few, the type that complain about EVERYTHING, that will raise h*ll about these new measures. You can't sacrifice the nation's security just to lure more tourists.....Sept 11th 2001 ring a bell?

Sure it rings a bell. And I have no problem with security when:
- There is a point to it, and this measure seems pointless.
- It does not infringe on civil liberties. Now the civil liberties of foreign nationals may not be protected as those of US citizens while in the US, but surely they have the right to move about?

Everyone is fine with more security, and all of a sudden everyone finds themselves living in a police state for their own protection. It's happened before.



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 16):
If they are NOT at the location they indicated before arriving in the U.S., they shall face consequeneces for providing false information.

What if plans change and one decides to venture off for a few days somewhere else?.

What if you're on a "fly-drive" ? (very popular with UK & European vistors)

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 16):
Who is saying everyone? Most people don't really mind these security measures. There are just a few, the type that complain about EVERYTHING, that will raise h*ll about these new measures. You can't sacrifice the nation's security just to lure more tourists.....Sept 11th 2001 ring a bell?

These measure will have no impact whatsoever in curbing any potential terrorist threat. The perpetrators of Sept 11th, were highly organised individuals, and I doubt a few administrative details will negate any possible threat against any country.

Just look at the London bombings on 7th July, the bombers were all British citizens who were born, educated and had grown up in the UK. The threat and ultimate action came from within.

The land of the free, is really not so free when it comes down to it, and to intimidate/discourage/disengage potential holidaymakers will simply result in a lot of negativity towards the US authorities and will no doubt about it ensure that folks will think twice about travelling to the US unless they absolutely have to.

[Edited 2005-09-26 01:49:04]


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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
and we haven't missed you.....

Considering illegal immigration across the Mexican border is still one of the biggest security problems for the US I'd have thought there were bigger fish to fry in controlling peoples movements and tracking them. It seems rather pointless to waste money on unneccessary beaurocracy when you have a land border that still leaks like a siv.


User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8216 times:

Quoting Sfuk (Thread starter):
Effective October 4, 2005, U.S. legislation will require foreign nationals to provide to air carriers a valid U.S. address during their stay “BEFORE” the departure of their U.S. bound flight.

Interesting to know that this is a new requirement. When I flew GIG-GRU-JFK-SEA last year on AA they asked me for my girlfriend's address (where I'd be staying) when I checked in at GIG. The gate agent said it was a requirement from homeland security. This was in June 2004.



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User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 16):
To solve the problem of people just looking up any valid address is to make random checks. No I am not saying EVERY SINGLE person but make it clear that random checks will be made on visitors. If they are NOT at the location they indicated before arriving in the U.S., they shall face consequeneces for providing false information.



Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 16):
Who is saying everyone? Most people don't really mind these security measures. There are just a few, the type that complain about EVERYTHING, that will raise h*ll about these new measures. You can't sacrifice the nation's security just to lure more tourists.....Sept 11th 2001 ring a bell?

I don't feel like going into it, but take my word for it, you have absolutley know idea what the hell you are talking about.


User currently offlineEoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

What happens if your in transit? Would the airline/travel agent/whoever just put in "Transit" in the booking?

User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

Quoting Eoinnz (Reply 22):
What happens if your in transit?

Have you ever seen the movie "the terminal"? I guess you pick a gate  Wink


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

This is absolutely no different than the current system except you have to give the address etc in advance. If you are in transit for under (I think) 8 hours then you just write "transit Canada" or wherever. In reality as is the case now you can put your address as the white house and nobody will really care. I think they are just trying to catch people out who put they are staying at Osama's gaff. As if to prove they don't really care, if you are ona fly drive with no accomodation you simply have to put the address of the car hire place or if you are back packing you just have to given a rough indication of where you are likely to be on your first night. The address info is just for your first night in the US.

Airlines will not have systems in place to provide this data ahead of check in before this kicks in so it will undoubtedly slow check in procedures a little, although hopefully they will just be able to quickly enter the number and zip code rather than having to type the whole address. It all seems a little pointless but I'm happy to go along with it as the innocent traveller has nothing to hide, even if it doesn't always seem like it when visiting the US.



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25 Starlionblue : The Mexican border is another story. The US government could easily crack down on it tomorrow but there is no political will to do so despite all teh
26 Geoffm : Even US immigration officials couldn't decide what to write last time I did that. There appears to be no coherant policy on the subject. Geoff M.
27 ARGinLON : As somebody say I just can't be bother with replying to you since I'll be wasting my time but (just to let you know)... You just don't know what you
28 Csavel : Assuming this wasn't written tongue-in-cheek, I seriously doubt there will be spot checks or anything else. In addition, I highly doubt that there wi
29 Thorben : It's no better over here, our politicians have really dumb proposals to increase "security", from a no-fly-zone over central Berlin (like any terrori
30 LeDragon : I don't remember where, but I was asked to give an address while entring a foreign country. I guess it was Peru, where all hotel ask for your passport
31 Jamman : This is worrying, I booked my Flight with American from MAN to ORD like 4 months ago and I did not give any of this information. I can't find anything
32 TGV : If I am not mistaken terrorists who realized the 9/11 attacks did not arrived two days ago from abroad with knifes in their pockets. They were instal
33 Starlionblue : It's tragic that so few seem to understand what really happened in a couple of European countries in the 1920s and 1930s. The well known dictators of
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : what an ignorant comment to make... darn right...many industries are reliant upon foreign travelers/visitors (i.e New York City, San Francisco, etc)
35 Dougloid : Ah, you're all gonna get transponder implants so we can keep track of y'all...you'll be thinkin "That's a pretty hefty mosquito that bit me there" bu
36 ManchesterMAN : Don't worry the chances are 80% of your flight won't have heard about it, indeed you probably wouldn't have if you didn't read A.net! I myself am fly
37 Silverfox : FLYVILLA, Thanks for seeing the joke
38 DarthRandall : There's no way they can have enough people for something silly like that. If they did, they would have found my stolen bike when I was a kid. Which is
39 Starlionblue : DarthRandall raises a good point. Travel to most Far Eastern countries and entry is about as cumbersome, or even more so, than for the US.
40 TGV : In all fairness, I have to ask, is it really that much more difficult for an average European to get into the United States than it is for that same
41 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Hahahahahaha! = Well then close the Mexican border and ensure they stay outside. Economic security of Americans is being threatened here ... I love
42 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Is this really a new regulation? I remember when I worked in TA res center, we were required to ask U.S.-bound passengers for this information at the
43 Sfuk : I guess it's new for people entering the US on the visa waiver program. Before you would just give an address on the I-94 form that you filled out on
44 Carmenlu15 : That explains it then... Central Americans (the vast majority of our passengers) don't qualify for the visa waiver program. Saludos
45 Post contains links Sabena332 : Where is the problem? Simply download this form, print it out, complete it, give it to the check-in agent. Takes all in all 2 minutes maximum. Patrick
46 Starlionblue : The Nazi and other seemingly surreal questions on the I-94 form are there for a very good legal reason. If you lie about the facts and are then caugh
47 TGV : I understand this. But this seems more adequate for questions regarding actions you will take in the US (do you plan to rob a bank?) than for past fa
48 Starlionblue : Weird as it may seem, planning to rob a bank is not a crime. As for past facts, it has a lot to do with crimes against humanity laws being the way the
49 Post contains images Legacy135 : If homeland security feels the need to know where it's visitors stay, they could track it's credit card, then they even know that I eat them all the s
50 DarthRandall : Well, that could be attributed to the relative numbers of people being processed. How many people are trying to fly into Miami as opposed to Ho Chi M
51 SimProgrammer : I was considering of having a long weekend in Las vegas in the next few months. I havn't been since 1998 but wit all this politics I dont think I'll b
52 DarthRandall : Dude, don't go to Vegas on the weekend. If you can spare a week from work, travel Monday to Friday. It's usually half what a weekend costs. Vegas is
53 Starlionblue : But they're not even close to being the same thing. If you drive through a country, even for a short period, you have ample chance to run off on your
54 TGV : Well, that could be attributed to the relative numbers of people being processed. How many people are trying to fly into Miami as opposed to Ho Chi M
55 Post contains links Flpuck6 : I have read that the US will also require "biometric" passports for entry as of end of October 2006. Passports issued before October 2005 which are ma
56 DarthRandall : That's true, but good luck finding a congressman willing to support a bill that would increase the number of agents that drasticly. Thanks to certain
57 Post contains links Thorben : Well, this is not A vs. B, or Europe vs. America. This is about preserving rights instead of being paranoid or abusing other people's fear. I welcome
58 Legacy135 : This is a very true statement. The real sad part of the story is, that stuff like this is affecting aviation deeply as it is an truly international b
59 TGV : Not only in Europe ! AFAIK the system I described is the international norm, only US airports are different.
60 DarthRandall : It does seem rather absurd to require everyone to respond to a question that could only ever apply to germanic octegenarians. What a silly waste of i
61 EddieDude : That's what you think. This is a really stupid requirement and I do not see how it can help security. I personally find this annoying and am beginnin
62 Halophila : Non-av related, but I actually got rejected entry to NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena, CA, because I admitted to being a foreigner, and all fore
63 TGV : You are perfectly right ! 9/11 has been the perfect excuse for around the world governments with a "Big Brother" tendency (and as you say, once in th
64 RAMPRAT980 : In addition I believe there should be some sort of fingerprint taken of each PAX before departing. In the time it takes to fly over to the states they
65 Post contains images Legacy135 : Are you serious or joking???  [Edited 2005-09-29 13:11:23]
66 Post contains images Starlionblue : You are not alone. It's a fact lost on many Americans The large Euroairports (AMS, LHR, FRA, CDG) make a significant part of their revenue from conne
67 HT : In this context I´ve read somewhere (I think it was in AF´s newsletter) that also the address of a rental car agency would be a valid address (for e
68 Post contains images RAMPRAT980 : As serious as a heart attack
69 Post contains images Jano : I guess that in the USA they prefer to inconveniece a connecting flyer and make it as easy as possible for the domestic flyer to take an internationa
70 HT : Yep ! There were passport controls at every single border within the EU ! -HT
71 Post contains images Legacy135 : Great, In the meantime I also found out that your past was with the police forces. Can you immagine that not everybody comming from another country i
72 RAMPRAT980 : since you don't live in the U.S. I can say with 1,000,000,000,000,000% certainty that there are those who enter our borders with every intention of c
73 Post contains images Legacy135 : Those you have in every single country, but I am talking about the other 99,9% of people who are honest and respectable citizens. I partially agree w
74 Dougloid : So...you haven't been here in more than four years.....but you have an opinion based on four year old anecdotal evidence.....good work there. You'll
75 Legacy135 : Things just became worse since.... The thing is we are living in a civilized world. When I admit somebody to my house I expect that this person admit
76 Dougloid : Interesting question about civil liberties....but inconvenience in immigration control does not amount to an infringement of civil liberties under ou
77 RAMPRAT980 : Its unfortunate but as I have said earlier, after agreeing with you, that 100% of those boarding a plane should leave a fingerprint. If you refuse th
78 Post contains images HT : Meanwhile I found my source: It´s the covering letter of LH´s October issue of their FF-magazine. They also state that LH would be required to forw
79 Starlionblue : My main gripe with the measure is that it seems singularly ineffective.
80 Dougloid : Well, that is an entirely different issue...and, sadly, knowing the track record of the federales, you're most likely correct...
81 RAMPRAT980 : Why are they ineffective. What they are currently doing and what they are capable of are two different things.
82 Post contains images Legacy135 : I absolutely agree with you with that. I just want to point out that all those actions as proposed here will help in one way but harm in the other. S
83 Post contains links and images MGASJO : I just browsed through The APIS Final Rule (very lengthy and boring BTW) in the www.customs.gov and indeed says that starting Oct 4th pax will need to
84 MGASJO : Carmenlu15: It is actually 4PCTC/Name of Contact/US Phone number-1.1
85 MarshalN : Actually, no country in the Far East that I know of requires you to do all these things that US immigration does. This includes fingerprinting you at
86 Halophila : Isn't it possible to make an appointment on-line or through a friend while still in the US? I know you can do this for some countries, but not sure a
87 TGV : Well you are right, I have no first hand evidence of what it is like to come to the US since 9/11. Anyway I think that you can not make all you decis
88 Dougloid : I think you're missing the point and avoiding the issue. What's happening vis a vis Mexican and central American people who shinny over the fence has
89 Starlionblue : Your arguments don't really fit well with the economics. In cases where a country attemts to keep a certain class of jobs in country (auto parts make
90 RAMPRAT980 : Why is this system in place for those leaving the country when it would be more beneficial for having it done before one arrives here in the states.
91 Dougloid : We're not talking about keeping a certain class of jobs in country...what we're talking about is jobs going away, and how the foreign skilled worker
92 Brokenrecord : To those who don't live in the Untied States, does it really make that much of a difference to provide your details before your trip rather than on yo
93 Bennett123 : What is the point of all this. Knowing where the good people are is pointless, and the bad people will lie. If someone is bad enough to be a security
94 Post contains images Legacy135 : This is absolutely correct and there is no issue about this and it is basically only one little element in a chain of this immigration process. What
95 MarshalN : As far as I'm aware, no. Maybe it happens for some countries, but most people I know have to do it the old fashoined way. The problem is not the wait
96 Dougloid : Let me tell you a story about an airplane flight....back in 1996 I went from Fayetteville Arkansas to Dallas and then to Seattle for a conference. Th
97 Post contains images Legacy135 : You really don't get it brother! If I need a visa for the US, I need to set an appointment. They for example call me to be there at 08:30 a.m. Then t
98 RedChili : I believe that this would rather initmidate honest tourists. Do you really believe that an Al-Qaeda terrorist would be intimidated by having to answe
99 DarthRandall : Perhaps the distinct ways that Americans and Europeans do air travel has something to do with our respective outlooks on how security should be handl
100 N405MX : And if the airline got it wrong because the passenger don´t know where is staying (like some times here in Mexico), the airline will be charged like
101 Thorben : Yep, aviation was fun before 9/11, today it can be pretty annoying. From getting in trouble for spotting, over weird security checks (opening belts,
102 DarthRandall : Can folks share how different the procedures to pass immigration are since the terrorist attacks in their own countries? I know ours has changed drama
103 MarshalN : From my experience travelling in Asia, mostly, I can safely say there has been little to no change. I go everywhere with about the same level of secu
104 Jamman : Just in case there is anyone like me who was oblivious to these new rules coming in of the 4th of Oct checkout this info sheet from American Airlines.
105 Ahlfors : Hmmm... that intransit requirement of 8 hours is going to be trouble. What if someone is flying AKL-LAX-JFK-LHR (why? because it was cheapest that way
106 Starlionblue : If you only went by the average, the GDP per capita is higher in the US than in any other country, so British workers would be cheaper. But in the re
107 LeDragon : How come I hear this song from South Park "Blame Canada!" ? More seriously, and on a more respectful tone, as a neighbour of USA, I know how much its
108 Starlionblue : Agreed. I don't know if there's an official name, but it's sometimes referred to as the "sterile area" or the "international transit area"-
109 DarthRandall : I don't know. That silly forward had me thinking lines from Terrance and Phillip's song. I'm sure the airlines would absolutly love to do something l
110 Post contains links YULWinterSkies : Chill guys, No trouble at all, nothing changes, except that you have to provide the info BEFORE getting on the plane and not AFTER landing. Air Canada
111 N405MX : Yep, there was a memo from the Border Patrol delaying the enter of this measure because they had some trouble with the mask to be filled by airliners
112 RAMPRAT980 : I don't live it ? I've never said America is the greatest country on this planet. It's far from perfect. But I can say "it's the best show on earth".
113 DarthRandall : That's gonna suck for folks selling travel, let me tell you. You're joking, right? Dude, why are you so hell-bent on ruining our tourist industry? Th
114 Thorben : That's all it is, a show. Everybody talking about "freedom" the whole time, but if you go to school you get a book with I-dunno-how-many pages full w
115 Post contains images Legacy135 : That is correct and I do love this show Have you ever been involved in international business? Did you travel a number of times international, maybe
116 Mika : My question is if UK imigration (for non EU/Schengen nationals) is as troublesome as US imigration seems to be these days. Both nations have had sever
117 Post contains images Legacy135 : Are you a Swedish citizen? If you are or from another EU country incl. also Switzerland and a number others, you basically won't need a visa to the U
118 Starlionblue : As Legacy135 says, this would be bad for the economy. There are businesspeople who cross the pond every other week (I am one of them). We need it to
119 Brilondon : Whaaat!!? face consequences?? for not being at the address you gave?? I guess you can come to the US but must stay at the hotel 100% of the time and
120 RAMPRAT980 : Its always about money. While many scream at the capitalist, impearalist America. How disgraceful a place it is. I am not looking for America to be a
121 Thorben : It's a horrible place to be, because of those cameras. Besides, did it protect them from terrorism?? I guess not. This I really can't understand. In
122 RAMPRAT980 : uhahhhhhhahahahahahahahah(thats my best Doctor evil impression). The main goal of Islamic terrorists are to destroy the western world and policies an
123 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Yeah right. May I suggest reading of this wonderful book??? Sure why not? As long as it is reciprocal. But, as far as I remember your fellow compatri
124 Thorben : Their goal is rather to destroy the governments in Islamic countries and replace it with ones that they prefer. They can't destroy it, they can only
125 RAMPRAT980 : Actually, a few nuclear bombs can. And don't think this isn't possible. Do you really think they will just stop with the islamic countries ?
126 Post contains images Legacy135 : ......and yo are going to be their assistant with this restrictive politics you look for I really don't want to offend you and I have nothing against
127 EK156 : I have to state here that a European Passport Holder can enter alot of countries in the Middle East and Far East without Visa. They get a visa on arr
128 Rdwootty : It is so apparent that some US bods have no idea of the importance of the tourism industry to the US and also it enables the airlines to make some mon
129 RAMPRAT980 : Guys look my views are fair. A biometric system needs to be put into place. Something needs to be done, period. Like I said earlier very, very, very
130 EK156 : It also depends on what passport your are carrying. In many European Countries like Holland and Germany, you need an airport transit visa if you are
131 RAMPRAT980 : No harm, no foul.
132 Post contains images Legacy135 : May I ask a question of the security experts : If a honest person applies tomorrow for a visa to the USA, leaves them all data's needed, incl. fingerp
133 Jetdeltamsy : The United States is full of people who are either here illegally or in violation of their visa. It is essential that we get a grip on who is here an
134 Starlionblue : This would mean that a whole horde of illegal workers would have to leave. These workers are stoking the US job market with nannies, cleaners, fruit
135 Rdwootty : Ramprat must be an intorvert and does not answer the question. In any case peolpe certainly book at my travel agency to fly within 28 days and will no
136 Jetdeltamsy : You bet it would. The jobs you mention that illegal's fill are jobs that usually pay poverty-level wages. I agree that these people have a role in ou
137 Legacy135 : I remember my days, working as a Flight Attendant with Balair. We flew on "my" DC-10 HB-IHK LAX-BGR-ZRH. I remember as I had to wake up in BGR the pa
138 Thorben : That's the point. Instead of focusing on the real issues, the US does useless things. Why not focus on keeping nuclear material out of the country? I
139 Post contains links and images Legacy135 : Thanks Thorben you are absolutely right As far as I know the US handels this on a very limited base and closed most of their consulates for visa affa
140 EK156 : So stay within your borders!!!! I agree you have all the right to be secure within your borders... so why don't you stay within your borders??? Half
141 EK156 : I can name Micheal Moore!!!!
142 Jetdeltamsy : The topic is about US Entry Requirements. I am a flight attendant and enter foreign countries 6-10 times each month. Why do I have to stay within my
143 EK156 : I didn't mean you as a person or traveller. I meant the Gov't and it's policies. They should stay within your borders and protect it rather than wond
144 Jetmatt777 : " target=_blank>http://www.cagw.org/site/FrameSet?st....php3 Exactly
145 PA110 : To all those you express concern or annoyance at the new regulations, I say don't visit the USA. - not that I wouldn't love to have you visit us. I ju
146 Post contains images NetworkDoc : Just an issue of practicality: I have been on day trips to the East Coast of the US from Europe. As there is no address to give on those trips prior t
147 Jetdeltamsy : I understand. Thank you. Peace.
148 RAMPRAT980 : First of all Mr. Sherlock Holmes don't think for a second that I'm a redneck. Secondly, thanks for your diagnoses. You should be a psychotherapist ra
149 Pomnath : The person who is going to put an invalid address, one that exists but he won't stay there, will still get in. No amount of documentation is going to
150 Mpoellot : The new regulations represent the paranoia of the US Government.
151 Flyinghighboy : I love traveling to the US, at 22 i've been to the US 6 times already and one of them I spent 5 months traveling around. 4 of those times I worked at
152 Mpoellot : RAMRAT980, I have some difficulties in agreeing with your notion concerning the fingerprinting. Keeping a huge database full of fingerprints cannot k
153 RAMPRAT980 : Micheal, You are right. But there are many politicians (including G.W.), in this country, that would not vote for the strenghting of immingration law
154 DarthRandall : They aren't exactly inversely proportional, but in many cases more of one does reduce the other. We are capitalists after all. Besides, more wealth t
155 RAMPRAT980 : Agreed.
156 EK156 : I totally agree.
157 MD11Engineer : This is a cultural thing. Over here only people being investigated by the police as being suspects of having committed a serious crime get their fing
158 DarthRandall : I guess we're just more used to it over here. When I enlisted they took my fingerprints, as I believe they do for most government jobs. What sort of
159 AMS : In my opinion providing an address upon check inn does not make any sense; since APIS with name D.O.B on all US bound Flights are required so relevant
160 Dougloid : thorben if you don't have anything constructive to say why don't you just zip it?....Or maybe we should all start pissing on German politics and soci
161 Thorben : What I said was actually constructive. Read it again, maybe you'll see it then. Besides, piss on German politics and society as much a you like, as l
162 Skyguy : Asking for your address before you fly is just the tip of the iceberg - there are plans to eventually require all non-US Citizens applying for visas a
163 Thorben : Plans? Where did you hear that?
164 RAMPRAT980 : Please don't tease me
165 DarthRandall : That's a healthy philosophy. They are also going to have to get a brain-screening done by Mentok the Mind-Taker. OooooOOOOO! I think he's just trying
166 Sfuk : OK guys, thanx for all the replies. Never thought my first post would attract so much attention!! I've traveled to the US more times than I care to re
167 Mpoellot : What kind of information do you then consider within reason you provide for the US Govt ??? Fingerprints ? Credit card information ? Frequent flyer p
168 RAMPRAT980 : In todays world you can leave your address as 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington D.C. and its very likely that the immigration officer won't even kno
169 Sfuk : If they want an address of where I'll be staying, fine. If they want my finger prints, fine. If they want to know the purpose of travel, fine. Why sh
170 DarthRandall : Double post, sorry.[Edited 2005-10-11 21:35:24]
171 DarthRandall : If my job were as tedious, thankless, and so many of my duties unnecessary as theirs I would probably be in a pretty sour mood too. Nobody could poss
172 RAMPRAT980 : The politically correct term is "Sensitivity Training"
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