SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3589 times:
Additionally, at $216.90 roundtrip, the fares are pretty reasonable as well...
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Venezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1407 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3354 times:
I am surprised there is even any traffic between these two airport....JFK is mainly international and most major international destination served from JFK are also served from ORD...I would see more traffic between ORD and LGA
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4099 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3230 times:
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Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 3): I am surprised there is even any traffic between these two airport....JFK is mainly international and most major international destination served from JFK are also served from ORD...I would see more traffic between ORD and LGA
I'm sure there is lots between ORD and JFK, there are millions of people that live around both ORD and JFK.
Venezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1407 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4): I'm sure there is lots between ORD and JFK, there are millions of people that live around both ORD and JFK.
Yeah but like I said the traffic is bigger to LGA since more of a domestic flight......it makes no sense to me.....most people that fly AA from ORD-JFK make NYC their final destination and are not going international so why go throguh JFK hassel and not LGA
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
I wonder if this has to do with the fact AA will be starting their ORD-DEL flight also.....I think AA should also start a JFK-DEL flight too...
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21245 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2): Additionally, at $216.90 roundtrip, the fares are pretty reasonable as well...
Apparently, my suggestion in the other thread that fares would make O&D impractical a la OH was incorrect...
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JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3062 times:
This seems like a good move on AA's part. I live on the South Shore, and JFK is the most convenient airport to me (and the million people that live within 15 miles from me). I want to go to Chicago next summer and now I actually have a flight from the most convenient airport.
I don't understand why people think that there is no demand for JFK-ORD. There is! Long Island is a HUGE area and LGA isn't the most convenient airport for most of us -- especially for those who live in Jamaica, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Freeport, Merrick...the list goes on and on.
When B6 gets on this route they'll make a killing.
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8754 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
Finally. Although LGA is preferable, the ORD-JFK market does need some passenger service as it is already hard and expensive to get to JFK from many midwest destinations. Also there will probably be some people continuing on to other international flights. There are a number of airlines that serve JFK but not ORD. Even if AA does not interline, it will still make connecting to these easier even if you do have to buy two ticket. I hope UA counters and adds their own service as well!
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Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 8): This seems like a good move on AA's part. I live on the South Shore, and JFK is the most convenient airport to me (and the million people that live within 15 miles from me). I want to go to Chicago next summer and now I actually have a flight from the most convenient airport.
I don't understand why people think that there is no demand for JFK-ORD. There is! Long Island is a HUGE area and LGA isn't the most convenient airport for most of us -- especially for those who live in Jamaica, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Freeport, Merrick...the list goes on and on.
When B6 gets on this route they'll make a killing.
September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3032 times:
ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports. Maybe that's one of the reasons there is little demand for ORD-JFK.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4): I'm sure there is lots between ORD and JFK, there are millions of people that live around both ORD and JFK
Chicago-NYC is a business route, not leisure. They (Business Travelers) want to go to Fairfield CT, Westchester, Manhattan and Northern NJ.
There's no originating business in Queens or Brooklyn, and most of the Long Island Business traffic is along the North Shore (LGA) or closer to Islip.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
Quoting September11 (Reply 11): ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports. Maybe that's one of the reasons there is little demand for ORD-JFK.
Tokyo is slot controlled and Tokyo gets more flights from JFK than does Chicago (both ORD and MDW).
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
Quoting September11 (Reply 11): ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports. Maybe that's one of the reasons there is little demand for ORD-JFK.
Factually wrong. ORD is not slot-controlled at all, however, there is an agreement between the DOT and certain carriers (the LCC's, plus United and American) to not have more than a certain number of flights, and to have some of their flights run outside of the peak afternoon hours. However, Continental, Delta, Northwest, US Airways, and the international carriers are not a party to this agreement, and are able to add flights at will, although obviously limited by real estate.
JFK is slot-controlled during the peak evening hours, however, during much of the day, JFK is not slot-controlled at all (and you can spot Norm Duke practicing his bowling on 13R/31L during the off-peak hours if you wait long enough).
The only two US airports that are slot-restricted around the clock for capacity are New York-LaGuardia and Washington-National, and LaGuardia's (sadly) go away on January 1, 2007.
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September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2983 times:
Norm Duke placed 2nd in Tokyo today (Sunday). I bet he will fly through JFK when returning to the USA.
I am sorry - your right - ORD is not slot-controlled. I could have say both ORD and JFK are time-controlled airports?
September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 660 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2799 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6): I think AA should also start a JFK-DEL flight too
That may be in the works. I spoke to a sales rep from our NYC office (who is Indian herself and is a member of our Indian and South Asian Employees Resource Group) and she told me AA is less enchanted with serving BOM through BRU as has been considered, and is looking at a JFK-DEL nonstop that might continue on to BOM. American is trying to find routes where the 777s can be used for the highest possible yields.
LUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
All I can say is it's about damn time. I wonder if they are doing this because Delta Coneection is about to add a second round trip on the same route. Mmmmm...
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 73 Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 17): That may be in the works. I spoke to a sales rep from our NYC office (who is Indian herself and is a member of our Indian and South Asian Employees Resource Group) and she told me AA is less enchanted with serving BOM through BRU as has been considered, and is looking at a JFK-DEL nonstop that might continue on to BOM. American is trying to find routes where the 777s can be used for the highest possible yields.
Trust me, that is not happening. JFK-DEL would only serve to hurt themselves on their own ORD-DEL more than anything. AA will launch service to Bombay in 2006 via somewhere in Europe.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 3): I am surprised there is even any traffic between these two airport....JFK is mainly international and most major international destination served from JFK are also served from ORD...I would see more traffic between ORD and LGA
JFK is better connected to the rest of NYC than LGA, and there are many who find JFK the closer airport
Quoting September11 (Reply 11): ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports.
Neither airport is slot controlled. There is some ATC flow control, but no official slot controls
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14): The only two US airports that are slot-restricted around the clock for capacity are New York-LaGuardia and Washington-National, and LaGuardia's (sadly) go away on January 1, 2007.
Actually, both LGB and SNA are also slot controlled
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Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4099 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
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Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 5): Yeah but like I said the traffic is bigger to LGA since more of a domestic flight......it makes no sense to me.....most people that fly AA from ORD-JFK make NYC their final destination and are not going international so why go throguh JFK hassel and not LGA
I don't get why you people think there is no domestic demand at JFK. There are millions of people that live around JFK. Why the hell have to drive to LGA when you can use JFK.
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 8): This seems like a good move on AA's part. I live on the South Shore, and JFK is the most convenient airport to me (and the million people that live within 15 miles from me). I want to go to Chicago next summer and now I actually have a flight from the most convenient airport.
I don't understand why people think that there is no demand for JFK-ORD. There is! Long Island is a HUGE area and LGA isn't the most convenient airport for most of us -- especially for those who live in Jamaica, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Freeport, Merrick...the list goes on and on.
When B6 gets on this route they'll make a killing
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 12): Chicago-NYC is a business route, not leisure. They (Business Travelers) want to go to Fairfield CT, Westchester, Manhattan and Northern NJ.
I highly disagree, while there are a lot of business people using LGA (obviously) there are a lot of people that live closer to JFK then LGA and want to go to Chicago. These Eagle flights are timed for leisure and connections.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 21): JFK is better connected to the rest of NYC than LGA, and there are many who find JFK the closer airport
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22): I don't get why you people think there is no domestic demand at JFK. There are millions of people that live around JFK. Why the hell have to drive to LGA when you can use JFK.
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22): I highly disagree, while there are a lot of business people using LGA (obviously) there are a lot of people that live closer to JFK then LGA and want to go to Chicago
Queens has no Central Business District, there are no large Corporations based there unless you want to count B6 but they are not large nor generating business travel.
Business Travelers want to go where there are busineses, Manhattan, Northern New Jersey, Fairfield County CT and Westchester is where the Region's business districts are located.
There is no demand for business travel to Chicago from Jamaica Queens, Howard Beach, the Rockaways or the South Shore of Long Island. These areas are mostly bedroom communities, Long Island has almost no corporate presence and what there is tends to be closer to Islip or the North Shore (LGA).
The immigrant populations of Myrtle Avenue and the retired teachers and fire fighters in the Rockaways do not need travel to Chicago, they want to go to Florida and Vegas which makes up the bulk of Domestic travel from JFK save the Trans-cons unable to operate from LGA due to range restrictions.
If there was demand for JFK-Chicago flights people would be serving the route, B6 thought JFK-BUF, ROC, BTV, FLL, SJU etc were in demand and they were right. If AA, UAL or B6 thought there was demand for JFK-Chicago flights they would have been on it years ago.
Fact is immigrant communities around Queens generate more demand for travel to Guyanna, Hati and Jamaica from JFK than Business travel from JFK to Chicago.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 17):
That may be in the works. I spoke to a sales rep from our NYC office (who is Indian herself and is a member of our Indian and South Asian Employees Resource Group) and she told me AA is less enchanted with serving BOM through BRU as has been considered, and is looking at a JFK-DEL nonstop that might continue on to BOM. American is trying to find routes where the 777s can be used for the highest possible yields.
thanks for the info....right now, the ORD-DEL flight works pefectly for a DEL-BOM codeshare connection with 9W.....I wouldn't be surprised if AA does that for JFK-DEL flight also....
however, to really get these routes going, they need probably 2 flights a day or have 9W make better connections because besides 9W's DEL-BOM connection, there aren't any connecting flights to other parts of India yet....and I don't think I would want to overnight it @ DEL airport....
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25 Iowaman: So what if there isn't demand for business travel to Chicago, there are millions of people that live there that want to go to Chicago as well as all
27 STT757: Obviously not otherwise AA (hubs in Chicago and JFK) UAL (Based in Chicago) and or B6 (based in Queens) would be serving their needs. Chicago is not
28 JetBluefan1: It doesn't matter if there is very little business between LI and Chicago. I live on Long Island, and I want to go to Chicago! And so do others. You'r
29 STT757: There are plenty of WN flights from Islip to MDW, but AA dropped their Islip-ORD flights recently. Maybe that's the reason for the new AA ERJ JFK-ORD
30 Flyguy1: Also, many individuals who work in Manhattan, or the North Shore of Long Island, have homes in Southern Long Island. They may also find JFK more convi
31 Flyguy1: AA is most likely planning to start more JFK only European routes, thus they want ORD passengers to feed into this. I'm sure this is another reason f
32 Commavia: I hope that this new route is also a harbinger for other future Eagle growth at JFK coming off the complete bottom around 2002-2003, when they cut vi
33 SHUPirate1: Long Beach and Orange County are slot-controlled, but because of NIMBY's who are afraid of too much noise, not because the airfield cannot handle the
34 Cubsrule: There aren't any connection opportunities at JFK for UA, so while UA has a bigger hub at ORD, AA apparently needs the connections to make it work Who
35 JFKLGANYC: This is once again a topic gone wrong! How the hell can you tell me that service to ORD won't work from JFK??? You draw a 60 mile ring from JFK and yo
36 Iowaman: Thank you!! That is very true. I don't know how you people can say no one wants to go from JFK to ORD.
37 STT757: History, over the 60-70 years JFK has been around not one carrier has had success with JFK-Chicago, not one. At their peak PA and TWA never had more
38 JFKLGANYC: You keep implying that John F. Kennedy International Airport does not serve Manhattan. Again I ask you, what the hell are you talking about? Kennedy A
39 Cubsrule: Airtrain makes a huge difference convenience-wise, and it's only been open 2 (?) years...
40 STT757: When there are options people choose EWR or LGA, when they don't have LGA as an option because of it's perimeter rule JFK does well. Which is why JFK
41 ERJ170: Except that RDU does have good service to all 3 NYC airports... American Eagle flights to LGA (8 or 10x dialy), EWR (4-6x daily), and JFK (4x daily)
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