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Airlines Who Operate T7 With 2-2-2 In C-class?  
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

I was browsing AZ's site, looking at the fleet info, when I noticed that the
business class configuration in the B772ER is 2-2-2.
Considering the cabin width of this aircraft this seems like a very
cumfy lay-out.
I was wondering about other T7 operators and their business class
layout.
Only one I know for sure is KL 2-3-2, and I think I saw a picture the other
day somewhere of EK also having 2-3-2.
I can understand that from a passengers point of view the 222 seems a lot
better, but in these difficult times, I frankly don't understand airlines who opt
for this layout, when there clearly is space enough to put in an extra seat.

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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

CO operated their 777 BizFirst in 2-2-2.

But, then again, their Biz product is really a cross between an old style F/c and Biz...IMO.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

The majority of 777 operators use a 2-2-2 config in J!

Yes EK uses 2-2-2 on 772's and 773's!

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
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Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Yes EK uses 2-2-2 on 772's and 773's!

I'm scheduled on a flight on EK in Business Class and the seat config on the 773 is 2-3-2. The first class cabin is 2-2-2.


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
The majority of 777 operators use a 2-2-2 config in J!

Yes EK uses 2-2-2 on 772's and 773's!

You are wrong. i honestly don't know who uses 2x2x2 in Business Class apart from CO/DL. The ones who don't have it: BA/AF/AA/UA


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 4):
You are wrong. i honestly don't know who uses 2x2x2 in Business Class apart from CO/DL. The ones who don't have it: BA/AF/AA/UA

SQ's spacebed product is 2x2x2 on their 777s.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 3):
I'm scheduled on a flight on EK in Business Class and the seat config on the 773 is 2-3-2. The first class cabin is 2-2-2.

Yea sorry, I got mixed up with the EK 332's!

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
Yea sorry, I got mixed up with the EK 332's!

Unfortunately even their 332s are configured in a 2-3-2 layout in Buss class


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Does anybody know if AM will configure its 772ER's for 2-2-2 in Clase Premier (AM's designation for business class)?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

AZ has a Premium Business Class called Magnifica Class. It is a hybrid between First and Business Class. This is a step up from regular business class and one step down from first in terms of space and seating.

There are no bed seats in Magnifica; however, the Recaro designed seats are pitched at 57", and recline to a 170 degree angle at the back and about the same at the feet. It isn't flat, but it is really comfortable. The seats are wide, about 21.5 inches, and the IFE is touch screen and on demand. In fact, AZ stepped up to put the latest, greatest IFE program in their 777s, so on demand anything is available simply by touching the screen.

There are 45 seats in Magnifica, split between the front cabin and a small portion of the second cabin. In the galley area is a wetbar set up for passengers to make their own drinks or obtain their snacks at any time during the flight.

Hence, the six across seating enhances the feel of a true F cabin without all the F class flourishes. Everything is served from the trolley, so there is some degree of personalized service at your table. The wines are above average and all Italian and the cheeses, especially coming from Italy are all fresh as is the fruit. All in all, a very pleasant experience.

Take a ride on it sometime; I think you will find it just as comfortable as any flat bed product out there.

baw716



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User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting Mlsrar (Reply 5):
SQ's spacebed product is 2x2x2 on their 777s.

Just to add on a bit about SQ's 777s... SQ operates both the 772ERs and 773. They have several different configs on their 772s, depending on whether they are for "regional" use (registration are 9V-SQ* and 9V-SR* ) or "long haul" (9V-SV*) use. Only the long haul B772ERS (9V-SV* series) feature the SpaceBed product, which usues a 2-2-2 layout in J/C class.

The rest of the 777 fleet (including the 773s) uses 2-3-2 configs.

Cheers!


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3732 times:

Emirates are buggers for adding on that extra seat row. In both the 330 in C and in the 777 in both C and Y (10 abreast!!) They would make a good British charter carrier!

User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 3665 times:

How about American,Varig, Cathay,JAL,Korean,Kenya,United,Malaysian?

User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 12):
How about American,Varig, Cathay,JAL,Korean,Kenya,United,Malaysian?

UA is 2-3-2


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
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Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 12):
How about American,Varig, Cathay,JAL,Korean,Kenya,United,Malaysian?

JAL is also 2-3-2 in C.


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 12):
How about American,Varig, Cathay,

Seatguru also shows 2-3-2 for American and Cathay.


User currently offlineFloris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Just flew on Thai from Manilla to Bangkok on the 777 in C class.

The shocker: 2-4-2 !

In economy it is 3-4-3.

See it at http://www.thaiair.com/Travel_Destin...mation/Aircraft_Seatmaps/B7722.htm

Service, food, etc. were also lacking comared to SQ. Yet you pay the same. Duh.

[Edited 2005-09-26 00:55:39]

User currently offlineSpk From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

TG's 772 are being converted to 2-2-2 lie-flat seats in Business class. The seatmap of that version (called 7723 by TG reservation) is http://www.thaiair.com/Travel_Destin...mation/Aircraft_Seatmaps/B7723.htm

User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Now heres something. BA has a 2-4-2 configuration on their 777's in C class. And these birds fly long haul. I've heard so many good reviews of the BA c class seat, but how? SQ have their long haul birds configured in 2-2-2, just compare.

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Cheers, Konstantin G.


User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Wow, I had no idea BA had 242 in club class.
It looks very cramped on this picture, but then again they are real flat's
, as opposed the most other biz-classes.
Is BA the only airline with alternate forward/rear facing seats?
I don't like to be facing opposite the flying direction.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4059 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3285 times:
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Quoting Intothinair (Reply 18):

Hi Intotheair, if you look closely it's 2-3-2 though it does look 2-4-2. It's confusing because of the way they have the seats positioned with alternating forward and backward facing seats.

LACA773


User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
Reply 20

Take a look at seatguru, it clearly shows it's a 2-4-2.

Regards


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
Hi Intotheair, if you look closely it's 2-3-2 though it does look 2-4-2. It's confusing because of the way they have the seats positioned with alternating forward and backward facing seats.

it's 2-4-2 on BA...fyi.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17119 posts, RR: 66
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 18):
Now heres something. BA has a 2-4-2 configuration on their 777's in C class. And these birds fly long haul. I've heard so many good reviews of the BA c class seat, but how?

As many have said earlier on this forum, pitch is more important than width.

My wife has flown this several time. She says that while the bed is a mite narrow, being able to stretch out flat makes it totally worth it. Also since they are alternate facing you gain a lot of space. They are teardrop shaped and narrower around the legs, where the body is narrower, so the alternate seat gains more space around the upper body.



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User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Hi!

2-2-2 equipped-Biz-classes are operated by:

AZ, DL, CO, PK, BR
and
NZ will even have 1-2-1 in Biz.

GreetZ,
Jan



~~~ Fly with a Triple Seven and you feel like in heaven ~~~
25 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Air France B777 are configured : B777-200ER : P : 2 x 2 x 2 J : 2 x 3 x 2 Y: 3 x 3 x 3 B777-300ER : P : 1 x 2 x 1 J : 2 x 3 x 2 Y : 3 x 3 x 3 After t
26 Post contains links Intothinair : As KLMcedric, KLM744 and I mentioned, it is 2-4-2. If you look closely it's also visible in the picture, and you can find it under www.seatguru.com.
27 Abrelosojos : = AM will have 2-3-2. = I flew BA recently ... C class was very cramped. Never again! Oh, and it definitely was 2-4-2!
28 N1120A : Now that is a tight fit Except that EK makes up for their extra seats by having more seat pitch in Y (34"). Bad for fat people, good for tall people
29 Ikramerica : BA is 242, but the seat width is still 20" due to staggering and reverse directions. They also lie flat. A lot of people don't like the jigsaw puzzle
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