Airbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1084 posts, RR: 7 Posted (6 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 6110 times:
I just got back from LAX on my PHX-LAX route over the weekend when I noticed how terrible conditions are in the LAX termianal where WN is located. The boarding procedures by group A,B, and C caused many issues and annoyances throughout the terminal. As many of you know, the lines for the groups always begin early, usually about 40 min. prior to departure. As these lines began to form well ahead of boarding, they would spill out into the main terminal walkway and cause a lot of traffice issues, so I thought to myself, wouldn't this be a little dangerous if their was a sudden emergency, but not so much as dangerous, but so unethical of WN to compromise the terminal space 40 MINUTES prior to BOARDING of the A/C. While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating, I think that it needs to happen a bit sooner.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25729 posts, RR: 86 Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 6072 times:
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): The boarding procedures by group A,B, and C caused many issues and annoyances throughout the terminal.
Why? People know how WN boards, and are explained how it works over and over, so why should they have a problem?
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): As these lines began to form well ahead of boarding, they would spill out into the main terminal walkway and cause a lot of traffice issues
Having grown up in Los Angeles and flown WN countless times, I have never seen that, but still, that is the passengers' fault and the airport police should be dealing with it
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): but so unethical of WN to compromise the terminal space 40 MINUTES prior to BOARDING of the A/C.
They aren't compromizing anything. Besides, boarding starts 30 minutes prior to departure, so why shouldn't people be there 10 minutes early anyway. Many people live by the post-9/11 2 hour rule and don't know it has since gone back to the normal 1 hour rule on domestic flights, so they end up there way early
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating, I think that it needs to happen a bit sooner.
Why? I personally think WN should keep things the way they are. It is far less complicated, gets people to the airport on time and encourages online and kiosk check-in, which keeps costs down. Additionally, I always get the seat I want when I get to the airport on time.
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MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 6012 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 1): Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter):
but so unethical of WN to compromise the terminal space 40 MINUTES prior to BOARDING of the A/C.
They aren't compromizing anything. Besides, boarding starts 30 minutes prior to departure, so why shouldn't people be there 10 minutes early anyway. Many people live by the post-9/11 2 hour rule and don't know it has since gone back to the normal 1 hour rule on domestic flights, so they end up there way early
N1120A -- I believe he is saying people line up 40 minutes prior to BOARDING, so actually it's more than an hour prior to departure.
I find WN's boarding procedures a bit annoying, but that's just me
Bridogger6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 709 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 6007 times:
Well why the heck didn't you fly HP?!
By the way, I just flew into BUR on Tuesday on WN and found nothing wrong with their boarding process, but also, my flights weren't full at all. Secondly, I was just at LAX on Friday and you know, LAX is so busy that there really is hardly any standing room anyway, I don't see how some harmless WN boarding lines are going to make any more difference than a regular mad dash to line up at the gate on any other airline.
BAW2198 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 635 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 5957 times:
The only time I have ever seen lines at WN gates is during the christmas holidays. Thats traveling from MDW-CLE and back. Outside of holidays, no lines at all extending into the hallway.
[Edited 2005-09-26 08:03:17]
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Aggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 5890 times:
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating,
I know that they have talked about it, but everyone that i know that works for WN said that it is no where close to becoming a reality. Boarding lines happen for every airline. I have seen the lines for WN at LAX but they are no worse the HOU, BWI, LAS, CLE, or any of the other cities that they serve.
AZFLYER84 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 5865 times:
I fly WN quite a bit to and from PHX to the midwest and everytime I fly people complain about the boarding procedure. To me it really doesn't matter since i'm going from point A to point B and low fares are the objective. I would love to see HP/US in TUL. OKC has done real well for them and always seems to be full.
Cloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 5859 times:
The lines are mostly people like me who do not fly very often and fly longhaul flights when they do. An important subcatagory of the above is families that want to make sure sit together. For them, it is important to get a good seat. Such people usually check in early enough to get in the A boarding group anyway and so dont have to worry. Most of them don't know this, however, and get in line anyway. They also don't often know that you can check in on-line, and are afraid of being late, and so they arrive at the airport way early.
Most WN passengers are actually business travelers or other kinds of frequent fliers(yes, this is a statistical fact despite the stereotype - even MORE SO than other airlines). These people usually either savy enough check in online and get on an early group, or just don't care as much. They don't have the time to arrive early enough anyway. At most WN gates I've seen - this is born out. The teenagers, college students, and some families line up at the gate but they are a relatively small proportion of most flights. The majority of the passengers just sit and wait or arrive at the last minute. Just like any other airline. This means that there is a line but it does not come anywhere close to causing any sort of hazard.
There are exceptions, as noted above, for certain cities, routes and times.
Newer WN gates actually have seperate lines, clearly marked, for each boarding group. This cuts down on line length in two ways. It divides the line to make it smaller, and it graphically demonstrates the fact that your fate is determined more by your boarding group than your position in line.
Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 5829 times:
It always helps to stay up and print out your boarding pass at 12:01 am so you get an "A' group, normally anywhere in "A" and you can get a decent seat on the plane.
ODAFZ From Greece, joined Jul 2004, 337 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 5792 times:
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4): I'm there almost every weekend and I see those lines all the time. Luckily I don't fly WN and don't have to stand with all the other WN cattle
And Thank you for this enligthning remark on people who fly LCCs.
I wish some one to have the decency to pay tribute to those millions of "cattle" who fly airlines (legacies or not) on a daily basis for business or pleasure contributing to the fortune (bad or good) of these companies instead of using these derogative, inflamatory and insulting remark attribute.
Just a question : if we are "cattle" , what are you ?
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 5760 times:
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating, I think that it needs to happen a bit sooner.
Did I miss the boat? Since when is WN thinking of assigining seats? As much as I hate the WN style seating it is the only way of sitting in the first row of an airliner without being rich or having reserved your seat 4 months ahead. I can stand in line for 45 minutes for that.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5659 times:
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating, I think that it needs to happen a bit sooner.
I "know" it's been looked at, and also "know" that there has been no such decision to assign seating.
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): As these lines began to form well ahead of boarding, they would spill out into the main terminal walkway and cause a lot of traffice issues, so I thought to myself, wouldn't this be a little dangerous if their was a sudden emergency, but not so much as dangerous, but so unethical of WN to compromise the terminal space 40 MINUTES prior to BOARDING of the A/C.
As you're mentioning "dangerous" in both the thread's topic line and in your post, I have to ask, what kind of possible "sudden emergency" do you envision that would make any lines associated with SWA's boarding process truly "dangerous" to people? I mean, there are people that detest the way we do it, and there are others (more, I think) that have come to accept that it's how we've historically done business over the last 34 years. That's fine, and you can't please everyone, but what is this big "threat" that you seem to see?
CV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1030 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5631 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 12): While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating
OH NO, the best part of flying on a LCC is the charge for the seats, a few rugby tackles knocking over a few grandma's, gouging a few kid's eyeballs and the big grin to everyone else when you get the seat nearest the door
One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
Tockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 907 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 5541 times:
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): I just got back from LAX on my PHX-LAX route over the weekend when I noticed how terrible conditions are in the LAX termianal where WN is located. The boarding procedures by group A,B, and C caused many issues and annoyances throughout the terminal. As many of you know, the lines for the groups always begin early, usually about 40 min. prior to departure. As these lines began to form well ahead of boarding, they would spill out into the main terminal walkway and cause a lot of traffice issues, so I thought to myself, wouldn't this be a little dangerous if their was a sudden emergency, but not so much as dangerous, but so unethical of WN to compromise the terminal space 40 MINUTES prior to BOARDING of the A/C. While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating, I think that it needs to happen a bit sooner.
i've been on WN flights where there are actually six lines because of a late departure, two lines each for each boarding group for two flights at the same time. i'm not so sure that this is dangerous, but it sure as hell is annoying!
i am still trying to figure out for the life of my why and how not having assigned seats saves them money. the amount of time wasted in getting people to finally give in and take a middle seat, even after they've walked all the way to the back of the jet and then all the way up to the front again, seems to counter-act any advantage they would get by assigning seats and boarding back to front in an orderly way.
oh man i hate getting on a WN flight like nothing else...
Flyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 500 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 5516 times:
The problem with WN at LAX is not WN procedures. It is that crappy out of date terminal. There is no way that that building was designed to handle anywhere near the load it has today. It should be the first one scrapped and replaced. The sooner the better.
WN is not going to change a system that works well for them. Sure, they investigate alternatives but that is just good business. I think any other boarding system will take more time, or at least more WN staff to man the gates.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 22 Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 5472 times:
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4): I'm there almost every weekend and I see those lines all the time. Luckily I don't fly WN and don't have to stand with all the other WN cattle.
It's like Casey Stengel used to say...nobody flies them...the lines are too long. here's something for you to try...it's great fun too...when your airline of choice starts boarding and you are lined up in the jetway as opposed to the terminal, let out a moo....haw haw haw.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 5451 times:
Quoting Airbus3801 (Thread starter): While I know that WN is planning to integrate assigned seating, I think that it needs to happen a bit sooner.
Where did you hear this? I doubt WN is thinking about this at all. Why incur that overhead? You want low fares? Then board like they do now.
Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 10): It always helps to stay up and print out your boarding pass at 12:01 am so you get an "A' group, normally anywhere in "A" and you can get a decent seat on the plane.
Yep, exactly. My parents just flew ISP-LAS the other day. Though ISP is not the busiest airport they printed their boarding pass and boarding was much easier.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 12): As much as I hate the WN style seating it is the only way of sitting in the first row of an airliner without being rich
Fly on RJ's. I've sat in row one of CO-Ex ERJ's or even CRJ's on other airlines more times than I can count. And didn't have to pile in like "cattle," "gouge a kids eye's out," "rugby tackle grandma," and most importantly... didn't have to wrestle my roll-aboard into an overhead already full of other people's crap because they gate checked it. Not to mention on an ERJ you don't have a neighbor because you can sit in the A seats, and on ANY RJ you won't have the dreaded middle seat even if you show up just as they're about to close the flight.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 5385 times:
Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 10): It always helps to stay up and print out your boarding pass at 12:01 am so you get an "A' group, normally anywhere in "A" and you can get a decent seat on the plane.
Not any more...
From Southwest.com:
Check In and Print Boarding Pass
Great News! Now you can check in online and print your boarding pass beginning 24 hours prior to your scheduled flight! That means no more waking up at midnight to get your boarding pass!
Barney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 630 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 5183 times:
Quoting BUFjets (Reply 20): There's always some adult (usually more than one) who pre-board and sit in the emergency exit rows.
If these people are in such poor physical condition they need to pre-board, they should not be qualified to assist in an emergency.
I've never seen anyone at WN do anything about it.
No longer as well. Pre-boarders are now prohibited from sitting in the emergency exit rows.
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25 FCYTravis: Thank you! I was just through that terminal for the first time (through LAX for the first time, actually) and man, was it an ugly, overcrowded and ou
26 Abrelosojos: I flew WN once. It sucked. I will never fly it again and never have since. Besides, I dont think fares on legacy are that different. Though, I do give
27 FCYTravis: The Running of the Bulls seating process makes everyone board as quickly as possible. If someone has an assigned seat that they know they want, they h
28 Aa757first: I don't have a background, but I can tell you it's for two reasons. One, the computer system doesn't have that function setup. AFAIK, that is no big
29 Gipper913: I have an issue with WN's boarding process and I never fly them. The issue is that the cattle in that line up INEVEITABLY end up blocking the concour
30 N1120A: Yeah, and I have never seen that Easily. There are lines at security because of the design of the stairs leading up to the machines and the sterile c
31 Iowaman: Then don't fly them. While you fly AA or NW or someone else I'll fly on WN and enjoy low fares, good leg room, free soft drinks, free peanuts and sna
32 LongbowPilot: DOWN WITH WN! NO MORE LINES! NO MORE LINES! DOWN WITH WN!
33 Dartland: They board exit row 10 last on the 752's (9 on DL) because theoretically people sitting there block the entry door slowing the rest of the people down
34 OPNLguy: Well, I see (in typical A.net fashion) this has evolved into the usual love/hate debate about SWA's boarding process, or the price of tea in China, or
35 Tornado82: Funny... on a "longer flight" like CLE-IAH I've gotten a small sandwich, side veggie, and dessert on CO, for free. Along with the entire can of pop/s
36 Airbus3801: Because WN was cheaper..... 2937 or something like that I am obviously wrong about this, but I had read other places before that WN was planning to i
37 Bridogger6: See, I am sure there is a reason no assigned seating saves on costs, but I don't think that that could be it. Think about it. Everyone is going to go
39 Flyabunch: It may be the newest terminal but it seems like it has had the least done to it over the years. Don't get me wrong, the all of the terminals need to
40 Jetdeltamsy: Dangerous? Unethical? What are you talking about? Southwest assigning seats? Where did you hear that? Last I heard, Colleen (the president of the com
41 Cjpark: Careful Longbow or you will draw the venom of the WN faithful. To answer your question OP while you have list of people who have boarded the flight yo
42 Jeffinbwi: Open seating instills a sense of urgency in people when boarding. On average, the boarding process take less than 12 minutes on a full flight with 137
43 OPNLguy: In all honesty, I don't think he knows--he's yet to have articulated exactly what the "danger" is....
44 Lufthansa: I'm going to give my 2 cents here...even though i know its not wanted and I'm going to have half of America jump down my throat but what do you expect
45 Jetdeltamsy: Southwest has many faults. But it is not, nor ever has been "trashy". Their aircraft are new, spotless and very well maintained. Their hire friendly
46 Cactus739: Its been a while since we've had a thread about just how horrid boarding Southwest is.... Apparently he believes there is some danger where if people
47 OPNLguy: To each their own, I guess. There's about as much "danger" from SWA's boarding process as there is "danger" from a line at the movie theater or shopp
48 Airbus3801: Because they are usually the cheapest and have the most convenient times. If you look, I usually when I am doing any bashing of WN before I flew them
49 Airbus3801: Dangerous was maybe a wrong choice of words, there isn't one to describe it except WN boarding procedures, so shoot me, which I am sure all of the WN
50 HPRamper: I hear all this talk about how great WN is because their planes are in the air so long. Nobody seems to know that HP aircraft spend even more time in
51 LongbowPilot: I have boarded many 757's in about that time if need be, but I always boarded within a half hour. No sense ramming the aircraft like a cattle car...
52 AZFLYER84: I agree with HPRamper Hp A/C dp spend more time in the air, LAS redeyes prove that. I love the new inflight video. I excited about the new HP/US airli
53 PlanenutzTB: I've been flying WN for almost 10 years now. Please leave the seating and boarding process as it is. Most experienced WN flyers know how to work the s
54 ASFlyer: I think you should probably let Southwest know about this because the last I heard (via statement from the company) was that they had studied the ide
55 Jeffinbwi: The motto or Mission of Southwest Airlines is the dedication to the highest level of Customer Service delivered with a sense of warmth, friendliness,
56 LongbowPilot: Why do people attribute the bankruptcies to Service? It is not that. Airlines are at record bookings, it is the sky high fuel cost combined with fare
57 Jeffinbwi: Mr. Longbowpilot, this is the smartest truest statement anyone has said on here in a long time. People will complain loudly about a particular airlin
58 Lincoln: For the record... Southwest did not invent the LCC concept... They have been the most successful with it, but Southwest learned quite a bit Pacific S
59 Flyboyaz: The terminal was built for PSA, who had similiar routes to WN and HP in it's time. However, the amount of traffic has gone up....and PSA had assigned
60 Airbus3801: Neither were they telling them to clear the hall either.
61 1MillionFlyer: Have you ever seen a Spanair flight board?
62 PlanesNTrains: Wow, an actual admission of the value of WN. Hmmm... Just a sidenote, but it seems interesting to me that the only racial terms that seem PC now are
63 Airbus3801: I would state why I disliked them as you fight find and used credible things. I like (as a I restated I a few times) WN when I am ON the plane, I dre
64 HZ747300: Or anyplace where the rule of queuing up is considered only an option and there is open seating. I can only imagine it is entertaining as hell to wat
65 Qxq400: AMEN,!!!!!!!Welcome to my respected users list. Seriously I can see your point. and I agree,WN policy of A,B,C boarding is just a little more than si
66 PlanesNTrains: Huh? Dude, first of all, it wasn't "me" or the "WN cult" that turned it into anything. It was you stating a baited question which in turn drew out th
67 Sergeant655: WN is smart to have 3 seprate lines for the boarding groups. That system is slowly being picked uped by U2. One gate at STN has the line up that way.
68 PlanesNTrains: Well if it's QX, I will say it's been a great experience the several times I've flown them. I love the flight attendants and onboard service, the pla
69 Garnetpalmetto: And on AA. And on CO. And on DL. And on NW. And on UA. And on US. I've seen a lot more "white trash" on a few US flights out of LGA than I have on th
70 Qxq400: I agree I have been horrified to see how we have treated our pax in SEA. HORRIBLE! Being firm with your annoncments and being civil at the same time
71 Garnetpalmetto: And there used to be a time when going to a baseball game was an experience. Men wore coat and ties to cheer on their teams. Can I blame WN for that
72 N1120A: Hey, I dated a WN F/A and they are anything but trashy. Perhaps a bit naughty though Funny how at LAX the AAdmirals Club is not anywhere near the WN
73 Goingboeing: Let's rephrase then...which aircraft spend less time at the gate? It's easy to get "more time in the air" if you are flying while the other airlines
74 Tornado82: Short turns have problems too. Let's say you're 45 minutes late out of FLL, or PHL (I'd include ATL/ORD but can't with WN) because of ground delays a
75 N1120A: They have been operating to busy airports for years. I mean, LAX has been on the WN route map since 1982. They still manage Just like legacy carriers
76 Tornado82: So in reality the plane still spends the same amount of time on the ground then... but the bookkeeping reason for why it is on the ground is differen
77 Adam727: I have flown SW all my life. but now that I am older and that I can buy my own ticket I don't fly swa any more because of the boarding. I luv swa so m
78 1MillionFlyer: Since you can now print your boarding pass online and get the A group you can show up 30 minutes before the flight (security being the main factor),
79 AZFLYER84: I agree with you Adam727 I'd rather fly with AA. Most of the time AA has the lower fares to the midwest anyways, plus you get a much more comfortable
80 1MillionFlyer: WN has more seat pitch on their 73G vs a AA 737-800 AA 31-32 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ame...erican_Airlines_Boeing_737-800.php WN 33 i
82 Tornado82: Nobody said that. The point is is the BOARDING PROCEDURE profitable, and it would be pretty hard to show factual evidence that it directly leads to p
83 N1120A: Well, let's put it this way. Open seating allows for quicker turns of the aircraft, which allows WN to keep them in the air more, which means they sp
84 LTBEWR: I have taken the LGA-DCA shuttles a couple of times when most of the time they are non-assigned seating. (I believe US assigns seating, has done so fo
85 N1120A: WN allows families with small children to pre-board and their F/As move people around for non-pre-boarded families to sit together.
86 Tornado82: Versus It's all subjective, and nobody could come up with any factual evidence to support what wins that argument of whether the # of pax they aliena
87 N1120A: Um, that is completely untrue, particularly from WN's point of view. They have planned their fare levels based on fuel prices. If they were subject t
88 1MillionFlyer: It is not rocket science, Profit = Positive retained earnings at the end of the accounting period. They had profits before fuel hedging, they manage
89 Txagkuwait: >>But almost everybody has conceded that WN is only profitable because of hedges at this point.
90 FlyingTexan: That Jim Wright will return to politics and sponsor legislation requiring SWA to assign seats. You know it! FlyingTexan ~ Fightin' Wright from Canada
91 Slarty: Nothing dangerous about boarding Southwest or other LCCs ... just use your elbows, keep your weight centered, and learn how to block with hand luggage
92 Vegasplanes: Cool, , Thanks for the update OPNLguy, I'll try it out next week.
93 PlanesNTrains: I have no complaint with that. Feel free to use your time however you want. It makes for good conversation. I actually could care less really. I have
94 Bond007: They are doing a LOT more than just 'a basic job'. They have been profitable for the past x years, and have just posted a 41% increase in profit for
95 Silver1SWA: Hmmm... I recently flew Delta. They board in zones. Now, you wanna get airport specific? Fine. I was flying out of ORF on Delta and when the boarding
97 Bond007: Yes, this is a common comparison .... the BIG difference is that when those Delta folks boarded, they weren't exactly racing to get the best seat ...
99 HPRamper: Efficiency is how long your aircraft are in the air versus how long they sit, period. You make it sound as if passengers are not paying to fly redeye
100 1MillionFlyer: They run for the jetway because on legacies it's all about jamming your carry-ons into the overheads before they fill up which happens 90% of the tim
101 Bond007: Not unless they are in the last boarding groups/zones - if you are boarding first in an assigned seat at the back, you are guaranteed overhead space.
102 UAcosCS: And this doesnt happen on WN? Didnt know that.
103 1MillionFlyer: WN was not mentioned in the post, I was pointing out that it happens on full flights on most legacy carriers in the US. This implies that there is no
104 Bond007: You are 100% correct ... except for Southwest ! Did you ever go to an airport and see the difference between a WN gate and a legacy carrier gate... l
105 LongbowPilot: Woah dude, the "DOWN WITH's" were in context with someone elses complaints within the thread. I could care less, but the title is about the "dangers"
106 1MillionFlyer: In my 147 segments last year and 90 so far this year, the worst crowding and pushing I witnessed was on a DL flight from SNA to ATL. I am not saying
107 Bond007: Right...so....'some legacy...' ... most ARE better I won't bother...
108 1MillionFlyer: Can you point to a study or other factual information proving that, or are you just hoping the A.Net effect will cover your "fact"?
109 Bond007: Just read your post.....if 'some' are not any better, then most are probably better simply by your use of grammar/english. Stop telling us how many se
110 1MillionFlyer: You are certainly entitled to your opinion... happy flying.
111 LongbowPilot: I think what he is saying, MilMile that a legacy carrier calls your row, and until your row is called you can remain seated and wait patiently thus f
112 PlanesNTrains: I think you missed my point - I thought they were funny. I then went on to say that your cattle car comments weren't (to me) funny. In fact, it seems
113 ODAFZ: Are the europeans here ? Easy jet as far as I know do not have assigned seats, but I do not see any body complaining. Is the rant on WN boarding proce
114 Luvfa: Point is our open seating policy allows our turns to be 20-25 minutes. The quickest I have seen any of our competitors turn airplanes is 45-50 minutes
115 Tornado82: My BS detector just went off with that one. Come hang out at ABE someday and watch some airlines, Continental Express specifically comes to mind, tur
116 Garnetpalmetto: Which is precisely why WN preboards families with kids.
117 Tornado82: Then replace "bratty kids" with "annoying slow-moving senior citizen parents" and it's the same thing, but WN people can sugar-coat it all they want
118 Bond007: ....and why almost every other airline does also! Jimbo
119 ODAFZ: pre board olderly people - Yes, they do as all airlines should do. Bratty kids fly only on WN !!!!!, got my share of bratty kids on legacy airlines t
120 Tornado82: WOW!!!!! Have you been beaten by the "Read out of context" stick or something? Of course bratty kids fly on WN, because they fly on EVERYONE. What I w
121 Tockeyhockey: dude, my home airport is BWI. who the hell else am i going to fly? if i need to get west, US makes me either fly to PHL, which i won't do on principl
122 UAcosCS: The first word that comes to mind is ANAL. You really like to talk up how smart you are. After reading how many flight segments you have, word coming
123 PlanesNTrains: Just a sidenote, but have you ever tried to give directions to an elderly person? Regardless of how you feel about WN's boarding procedure, I can tel
124 VgnAtl747: I'm just curious, I've never flown WN... how is the exit row seating criteria verified then? To the flight attendants go around and ask everyone if th
125 1MillionFlyer: That is the best laugh I have had in a while. Don't quit your job to be a mind reader because you would be on food stamps
126 UAcosCS: Keep correcting everybody like you're superior. Insecurities have surfaced, you've have been figured out. Enjoy your next flight
127 Goingboeing: And some lucky passenger is ASSIGNED A SEAT right in front of the seat kicking kid.
128 SteveSWA737: Pre-boarders are prohibited from sitting in the emergency exit row. Almost anyone in the general boarding group can sit in the emergency exit row. A
129 Tornado82: I'm not afraid of the confrontation. More than once I've turned around and either told the kid (if they're old enough to understand) or if it's a 2 y
130 LongbowPilot: UAcosCS, welcome to my RU list. Why do people brag about their segments flown. They think it is like some kind of red badge of courage. It isn't and
131 1MillionFlyer: We have been through this before. I worked on the ramp, as a ramper, so shut your pie hole. go shoot something in Afganistan like you were bragging a
132 LongbowPilot: So he shows his true colors. EX-ramper, as am I, but have the arrogance and gull to act like a spoiled child about your miles. I imagine more would e
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