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User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 3037 times:

i know that we've seen a dwindling of domestic widebody service in the US in favor or more and more long haul/transcon 737s and a320s, as well as maximum range rj flights.

has the same trend held true in other countries? we're there ever a wide array of domestic widebody flights in the UK, france, germany, italy? if so, have they gone away as well?

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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 3016 times:

I dont think any UK carrier has used wide-bodies on domestic routes on a regular basis. Usually if a wide body is deployed on a domestic sector it is on an 'ad hoc' basis and because of a particular high demand.

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 3033 times:

British Airways still operates on occasion, the 767 to EDI and GLA. They used to operate the LHR-EDI/GLA route with 2 767s a day, but now none are scheduled, and when they do operate the route, it is to cover unavailability of the 757 or Airbus.

Air Inter in France used to operate the A330 and A300 on domestic routes to Nice, Toulouse, Marseille and Bordeaux from Paris.

Lufthansa use the A300 widely on routes from FRA to MUC, HAM and TXL.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2997 times:

In Germany we have LH using the A306 on domestic flights, mainly in and out of FRA. They go to HAM, TXL, and MUC IIRC. I've flown TXL-FRA a couple of times on it and the plane always had high loads. Most of the passengers are conneting from FRA to the rest of the world, I believe. LH dumped their A310s some years ago, I think they were used on domestic routes, too. Oh, and I read somewhere that they used their 744s for domestic flights when they got them. Just as a testing phase for the airplane.

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Every now and then BA use their T7s and even 744s on LHR-MAN but that's quite rare. I think LH use their A300s on FRA-TXL but don't quote me on that.

I guess with european countries being relatively small it's not so common here as rail travel etc is a viable (and generally preferable) alternative.

For domestic widebody services, look no further than Japan  Smile


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

AA uses their T7s for flights MIA-JFK and MIA-DFW. UA did fly their T7s MIA-ORD a few years back, but with the down-sizing of the MIA hub, we don't see any wide bodies anymore.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 4):
I guess with european countries being relatively small it's not so common here as rail travel etc is a viable (and generally preferable) alternative.

With Britain now having road and rail to the rest of Europe.  Wink

But don' forget, LH uses the A306 also on LHR-FRA, BA often uses the 763 for the same route. It's only 650 km, shorter than some domestic routes in Britain or Germany.


User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 4):
I guess with european countries being relatively small it's not so common here as rail travel etc is a viable (and generally preferable) alternative.

i'm sorry -- i wasn't clear in my original post. i consider a LHR-CDG flight a domestic flight, since it is all within the EU.

so, to rephrase a bit, could you say that intra-EU flights have become less and less likely to be on widebodies in the past 10 years or so?


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Yes, RG flies B767/B777/MD-11s domestic, although I believe the trend is to limit these flights to narrowbodies also.

TAM's only domestic widebody service is GRU-REC with the A330.

Cheers



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

What about?

Milan-Rome
Barcelona-Madrid
Moscow-St Petersburg

Any widebodies on those routes?

Japan of course...widebodies there still ply the domestic skies.



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 7):
i'm sorry -- i wasn't clear in my original post. i consider a LHR-CDG flight a domestic flight, since it is all within the EU.

That'll ruffle a few British feathers...  Smile

There's plenty of widebody action in Europe still; BA still operates its 763s all over the place as does LH with its A300s.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
Oh, and I read somewhere that they used their 744s for domestic flights when they got them.

LH still uses them at times, particularly when they have an aircraft go tech and have to consolidate flights

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 4):
I think LH use their A300s on FRA-TXL

You are correct sir



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

British Airways used to operate the 763 daily or twice daily on the LHR shuttle. that was until bmi came in on the route and ruined one of aviation's greatest monopolies. Alas no regularly scheduled widebosy service in the UK any more, but as mentioned LH still has A300 flights within Germany, and Iberia also operate A340-300's and -600s on flights from Madrid to the canaries


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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

My answers aren't quite what you're asking but...

There are still a few wide-body aircraft being operated wholly within the US, such as 767's by AA DFW<>LAX and by DL ATL<>LAX. I've also flown A300's wholly within Thailand (BKK<>HKT) and of course there's Japan as already mentioned. However, flying a domestic 747 in Japan might be worse than a regional jet in the grand scheme of things.  Big grin



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

TG uses daily A300's, 777's, 747's and A330's on domestic services within Thailand to HKT and CNX from BKK!

Also LH uses the A300 on FRA-TXL and FRA-MUC and FRA-HAM services!

MH uses widebodies on services to Penang and Langkawi aslo!

QF also uses A330's, 767's and 747's within Australia!

DL uses a lot of widebody 767 flights within the US, as well as ATL-MCO 772!

AA used to serve MIA-JFK with the A300, not sure if they still do?

Hawaiian Airlines uses the 767 on mainland US services!

JL and NH uses 777's, 767's A300's and 747's on domestic services in Japan!

Rob!  Smile


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