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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6562 times:

What airline has the smallest hub operation or focus city operation??? IT can't just be a one station operation, It has to be considered a hub or a focus city BY THE AIRLINE!!!!


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User currently offlineFlydl2atl From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6533 times:

Louisville, KY. It has a population of around 250,000 and is UPS's hub.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

What about CO and Guam?

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Quoting Flydl2atl (Reply 1):
Louisville, KY. It has a population of around 250,000 and is UPS's hub.

No im sorry i meant a hub with like the smallest number of flights, not city population



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User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

For passenger service, I'll nominate CO at CLE or NW at MEM in the U.S.

CO calls CLE a "hub", US calls a similar operation at PIT "focus city". CO's CLE "thing" has been dwindling from a high of nearly 300 daily flights in 1999, long BEFORE 9/11. Mainline is down to around 50 I believe. Not sure ratio of NW mainline to express at MEM.

Off mainland, CO's Guam "hub" would seem to fit the bill.

Too bad for an airline kicked out of 5th place by the US/HP merger and constantly expanding service from EWR and IAH to anywhere.


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

my guess would be SLC

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Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6441 times:
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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

AS at ANC might be a candidate.


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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):

In numbers, I would have to say Hooters at Myrtle Beach, since they are not high frequency.

In population, I would have to agree with Chugach that the smallest populated metro area with a hub is Anchorage. However, Maui has a smaller population with more flights than Anchorage. It is classified as a "medium hub", even though no carrier has a major hub operation using OGG.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Who hubs at Anchorage? Alaska Airlines hubs in Seattle, regardless of the name of the airline.

User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

Horizon Air in BOI or GEG ??

Midwest in MCI ??

Cape Air in ACK ??


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Papeete in Tahiti has to be a winner. It's the hub for Air Tahiti Nui which only has 4/5 (?) aircraft. It's definitely used as a hub for pax from Australia/New Zealand to points beyond.

Nadi in Fiji plays the same role for Air Pacific, which only has a handful of aircraft too. A couple of 747's, a 767 or two and some 737's.

Both airlines schedule flight times to capture transfer passengers.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Quoting UncGSO (Reply 10):
Horizon Air in BOI or GEG ??

Horizon hubs at PDX (someone told me SEA but judging from the infrastructure QX has here I don't quite believe them). Their largest stations are SEA and PDX and also a good operation out of DEN where they fly for Frontier.


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

According to Alaska their hubs are ANC SEA PDX. Although i do agree PDX and ANC are no hubs compared to other places. But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world. And AS does serve the whole state from there, north and south, and then some (DEN,ORD,LAS,SEA,PDX,LAX)... a hub in my mind

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User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 12):
Horizon hubs at PDX (someone told me SEA but judging from the infrastructure QX has here I don't quite believe them).

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/allia/partners.shtml
scroll down to Horizon Air...


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

I see that the website says that. But 19 daily flights from GEG, 15 of which are to the REAL hubs at SEA and PDX should in no way constitute a hub. Merely a busy destination with high frequency of flights.

That is like calling LAX an HP hub, even though 21 of the 24 daily flights are to LAS or PHX with a couple other destinations.

BOI follows the hub definition much better than GEG, with 25 daily flights to a much higher number of destinations than simply SEA and PDX.


User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
That is like calling LAX an HP hub, even though 21 of the 24 daily flights are to LAS or PHX with a couple other destinations.

yeah i see what your saying....
i found this intersting...look on page 6...
http://www.alaskaair.com/www2/company/Almanac/images/almanac1104.pdf


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

I found the entire thing very interesting. I never would have guessed Alaska had done the stuff they've done. But yes, While Boise does appear to be a hub GEG does not.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 13):
But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world

And to the rest of the state.
Consider, the only way to other parts of Alaska besides Fairbanks is done by air. Not rail, not trucks, not automobiles.
Anchorage is the center for many smaller airlines getting essential goods and people to the smallest of cities.
If not the smallest, or the largest, it is without doubt, one of the most important.



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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

At one time it was probably UA @ MCO (early 1990s). Then it was HP at CMH (late 90s.)

User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 19):
At one time it was probably UA @ MCO (early 1990s)

really?? i never heard of that one before....

anyone remember Eastwind in GSO? They came in after CO pulled the plug on their hub here....


User currently offlineMEMbase From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

Quoting Joeman (Reply 4):
Mainline is down to around 50 I believe. Not sure ratio of NW mainline to express at MEM.

As of August, NW was running 89 mainline and 142 regional (both Pinnacle and Mesaba) at MEM. 2-3 years ago, these numbers were probably reversed.


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 5):
my guess would be SLC

Way off.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

I'm definately going to go with Eastwind in GSO. It was their main hub and referred to as a hub in all publications. During the course of the airline's it had a maximum of 10 flights a day and I believe a minimum of 4...at which time, all flights were 737-700s.

The two birds they had would come in from two northeast cities (Trenton and Boston?), passengers either stay onboard or connect to the other plane and then both would head to florida (Orlando and Tampa?). Then the reverse would happen later in the day. So, it truely was a hub with connection passengers. I doubt you can get smaller than 4 flights though or you wouldn't be able to have these required connection pax. So, I suppose Eastwind has to be it.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 13):
According to Alaska their hubs are ANC SEA PDX. Although i do agree PDX and ANC are no hubs compared to other places. But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world. And AS does serve the whole state from there, north and south, and then some (DEN,ORD,LAS,SEA,PDX,LAX)... a hub in my mind

I think PDX is much more of a QX hub supplemented by a few mainline AS flights these days. AS nowadays is putting their focus on the Anchorage, Seattle, and Los Angeles markets. SEA as the main system/transcon hub, ANC as the hub for statewide Alaska operations connecting to the major cities in the lower 48 AS system that you mentioned (and that's not even counting the 7H and KS flights from ANC to the villages that are codeshared as AS flights), and LAX as a hub for the Mexico operation.

One thing about ANC: in terms of sheer number of passenger flights, it will never be a megahub (by AS standards) like SEA. Remember, there are only about 620,000 people in the entire state of Alaska. The Seattle metro area alone just about triples that number. But ANC will always be important to AS both as an O&D point and a connecting point (there's a reason AS runs about 15 flights a day between ANC-SEA in the WINTER months--the traffic is always there) because of the unique nature of the Alaska market. However, AS has recognized (correctly so, in my mind) that ANC and LAX are the two biggest cogs in the AS system that aren't named Seattle, even just as a connecting standpoint, nevermind O&D traffic. LAX is a natural connecting point for the Mexico operations (prime example: the ANC-LAX nonstop in the winter months exists primarily to connect to Mexico flights), and when you consider that Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the country, AS would almost be insane to not build up that market.

Now, don't get me wrong, PDX is a great town and a great airport. I was born there, spent a good chunk of my childhood there, and enjoy my frequent short visits there, but right now AS can simply make more money elsewhere with the planes they currently have. There is little doubt in my mind that, as the AS insiders on here have said, once AS gets some more planes that PDX will gain/regain additional AS service.



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25 UncGSO : Was DSM a considered a hub for AccessAir?
26 N1120A : AS hubs at SEA, LAX, ANC and to a lesser extent, PDX
27 UncGSO : Actually right up till the end all BOS flights went through TTN...TPA and MCO were served throughout....other cities served at one time or another fr
28 MasseyBrown : Commutair (Continental Connection) claims a hub in Albany - about 15 B1900Ds a day.
29 Loisencroach : You're discussing a hub in terms of the FAA definition. Anchorage would be classified as a medium hub in that regard. In terms of Alaska Airlines, AN
30 Vegasplanes : Not anymore, but how about the AA focus cities of SJC, RDU, BNA. They were all pretty small in the 1990's compared to where they were in the late 1980
31 UncGSO : Gulfstream Int'l Airlines (Continental Connection) in FLL or TPA... and didnt Reno Air have a hub in SJC?
32 HPRamper : I'm trying to figure out what I'm supposed to figure out. You're talking about AS, I'm talking about QX. I'm aware that ANC is a hub for AS.
33 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : Not to nitpick here, but Eastwind also operated the 737-200 as well. View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael F. McLaughlin
34 Post contains images GQfluffy : GQ at BIL. filler filler tiller
35 BNAflyer78 : Surpirsed no one has mentioned MYR with Hooters Air. How many flights do they have?
36 Post contains images SkyexRamper : Akron/Canton, OH (KCAK) for an Air Tran focus city. Service: LAS, BOS, LGA, ATL, MCO, TPA and FLL.
37 Planespotting : wouldn't the smallest city with a central hub for an airline with mainline and express aircraft probably be MKE with Midwest?
38 Basas : Actually, its nearly 700,000 now. Over a million in the entire area.
39 Stirling : Uh....it was, We have a winner! Billings, with a population of 92,000 (2004 census est.), no other "hub" or "focus" city listed here has been smaller
40 Post contains images BNAflyer78 : Guess it helps to read ALL the replies. Thanks for pointing it out Stirling.
41 Post contains images GQfluffy : Why, thank you.
42 AS739X : Skyexramp...I'd agreee, CAK for AirTran. 13 flights I think and been acknowledged by FL as a focus city. In reference to Alaska Air Group. Alaska hubs
43 Post contains images SkyWestFan : Ill agree with you GQ. GQ at BIL definately! Or maybe Dillingham Alaska and Yute Air SW MarcF[Edited 2005-09-28 17:59:57]
44 Geo772 : According to Futurama (the cartoon) Atlanta was merely a city formed around a Delta hub.
45 USADreamliner : Aerolineas Argentinas hub in Madrid. With only two MD-88 flying to London LGW,Paris CDG,Munich and Zurich. Salute USADreamliner
46 Post contains images Tornado82 : HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Is the same to be said about MSP, because it's too damn cold for any other reason to be there.
47 IRelayer : AA@DFW? Kidding :P -IR
48 Loisencroach : I forgot all about Billings. Great town. Anyone who hasn't been there should check it out...thier airport is on a bluff overlooking the city.
49 Jetpixx : I flew out of BIL once...it is amazing. You drive up a hill, at least 500 feet in elevation - to the bluff the poster mentioned. It is then totally f
50 PIT757 : Yes Billings is a great town! I have a friend that lives there. I was there about a month ago. I love there airport. Small, clean and easy in and out
51 Gsoflyer : "Actually right up till the end all BOS flights went through TTN...TPA and MCO were served throughout....other cities served at one time or another fr
52 COERJ145 : Beat me to it! Wouldn't PWM for pan am be a small hub?
53 HPRamper : That's why I see PDX as a hub for QX even though officially their HQ is in Seattle. The QX building at PDX is huge with lots of admin offices, they h
54 Krsw757 : How about USA 3000 at RSW? They currently serve RSW from 12 destinations.
55 PK786 : what about Cape Air at HYA.
56 Stirling : Is that year-round?
57 PK786 : Quoting PK786 (Reply 55): what about Cape Air at HYA. Is that year-round? Yes
58 UncGSO : Anyone remember Air South? Didnt they hub in Columbia, South Carolina?
59 MD90fan : I think the Eastwind operation at GSO was kind of small.
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