Joeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7119 times:
For passenger service, I'll nominate CO at CLE or NW at MEM in the U.S.
CO calls CLE a "hub", US calls a similar operation at PIT "focus city". CO's CLE "thing" has been dwindling from a high of nearly 300 daily flights in 1999, long BEFORE 9/11. Mainline is down to around 50 I believe. Not sure ratio of NW mainline to express at MEM.
Off mainland, CO's Guam "hub" would seem to fit the bill.
Too bad for an airline kicked out of 5th place by the US/HP merger and constantly expanding service from EWR and IAH to anywhere.
In numbers, I would have to say Hooters at Myrtle Beach, since they are not high frequency.
In population, I would have to agree with Chugach that the smallest populated metro area with a hub is Anchorage. However, Maui has a smaller population with more flights than Anchorage. It is classified as a "medium hub", even though no carrier has a major hub operation using OGG.
Horizon hubs at PDX (someone told me SEA but judging from the infrastructure QX has here I don't quite believe them). Their largest stations are SEA and PDX and also a good operation out of DEN where they fly for Frontier.
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3176 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6891 times:
According to Alaska their hubs are ANC SEA PDX. Although i do agree PDX and ANC are no hubs compared to other places. But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world. And AS does serve the whole state from there, north and south, and then some (DEN,ORD,LAS,SEA,PDX,LAX)... a hub in my mind
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HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4925 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6836 times:
I see that the website says that. But 19 daily flights from GEG, 15 of which are to the REAL hubs at SEA and PDX should in no way constitute a hub. Merely a busy destination with high frequency of flights.
That is like calling LAX an HP hub, even though 21 of the 24 daily flights are to LAS or PHX with a couple other destinations.
BOI follows the hub definition much better than GEG, with 25 daily flights to a much higher number of destinations than simply SEA and PDX.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6749 times:
Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 13): But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world
And to the rest of the state.
Consider, the only way to other parts of Alaska besides Fairbanks is done by air. Not rail, not trucks, not automobiles.
Anchorage is the center for many smaller airlines getting essential goods and people to the smallest of cities.
If not the smallest, or the largest, it is without doubt, one of the most important.
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6621 times:
I'm definately going to go with Eastwind in GSO. It was their main hub and referred to as a hub in all publications. During the course of the airline's it had a maximum of 10 flights a day and I believe a minimum of 4...at which time, all flights were 737-700s.
The two birds they had would come in from two northeast cities (Trenton and Boston?), passengers either stay onboard or connect to the other plane and then both would head to florida (Orlando and Tampa?). Then the reverse would happen later in the day. So, it truely was a hub with connection passengers. I doubt you can get smaller than 4 flights though or you wouldn't be able to have these required connection pax. So, I suppose Eastwind has to be it.
Chugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6616 times:
Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 13): According to Alaska their hubs are ANC SEA PDX. Although i do agree PDX and ANC are no hubs compared to other places. But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world. And AS does serve the whole state from there, north and south, and then some (DEN,ORD,LAS,SEA,PDX,LAX)... a hub in my mind
I think PDX is much more of a QX hub supplemented by a few mainline AS flights these days. AS nowadays is putting their focus on the Anchorage, Seattle, and Los Angeles markets. SEA as the main system/transcon hub, ANC as the hub for statewide Alaska operations connecting to the major cities in the lower 48 AS system that you mentioned (and that's not even counting the 7H and KS flights from ANC to the villages that are codeshared as AS flights), and LAX as a hub for the Mexico operation.
One thing about ANC: in terms of sheer number of passenger flights, it will never be a megahub (by AS standards) like SEA. Remember, there are only about 620,000 people in the entire state of Alaska. The Seattle metro area alone just about triples that number. But ANC will always be important to AS both as an O&D point and a connecting point (there's a reason AS runs about 15 flights a day between ANC-SEA in the WINTER months--the traffic is always there) because of the unique nature of the Alaska market. However, AS has recognized (correctly so, in my mind) that ANC and LAX are the two biggest cogs in the AS system that aren't named Seattle, even just as a connecting standpoint, nevermind O&D traffic. LAX is a natural connecting point for the Mexico operations (prime example: the ANC-LAX nonstop in the winter months exists primarily to connect to Mexico flights), and when you consider that Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the country, AS would almost be insane to not build up that market.
Now, don't get me wrong, PDX is a great town and a great airport. I was born there, spent a good chunk of my childhood there, and enjoy my frequent short visits there, but right now AS can simply make more money elsewhere with the planes they currently have. There is little doubt in my mind that, as the AS insiders on here have said, once AS gets some more planes that PDX will gain/regain additional AS service.
: Was DSM a considered a hub for AccessAir?
: AS hubs at SEA, LAX, ANC and to a lesser extent, PDX
: Actually right up till the end all BOS flights went through TTN...TPA and MCO were served throughout....other cities served at one time or another fr
: Commutair (Continental Connection) claims a hub in Albany - about 15 B1900Ds a day.
: You're discussing a hub in terms of the FAA definition. Anchorage would be classified as a medium hub in that regard. In terms of Alaska Airlines, AN
: Not anymore, but how about the AA focus cities of SJC, RDU, BNA. They were all pretty small in the 1990's compared to where they were in the late 1980
: Gulfstream Int'l Airlines (Continental Connection) in FLL or TPA... and didnt Reno Air have a hub in SJC?
: I'm trying to figure out what I'm supposed to figure out. You're talking about AS, I'm talking about QX. I'm aware that ANC is a hub for AS.