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Has Any Airline Been Able To Get Out Of Chapter 11  
User currently offlineBA747 From Venezuela, joined Sep 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Hi, I don´t know if this topic has been discussed before. Since 3 airlines are currently under chapter 11 I was just wondering if in previous situations any airline has been able to survive the crisis.

Saludos,

Alex
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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Continental did (twice?) and actually have done well.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

HP did and now they own bankrupt US.


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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
HP did and now they own bankrupt US.

Which will be out of bankrupcy if they are not already.

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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2529 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Hawaiian just came out of CH11 recently too

User currently offlineUsAirways16bwi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 3):
Which will be out of bankrupcy if they are not already.

they are


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1895 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Has AA ever been on Ch 11?


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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 6):
Has AA ever been on Ch 11?

No. They're now the only legacy carrier never to have been in bankruptcy.


User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5440 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

Avianca declared Chap 11 bankruptcy in the US, reorganized, and is now out.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Continental had a foot in the grave before Lorenzo left. America West has also seen bankruptcy back in the early 90's, then the recent DL, UA, NW, and US filings, US emerged earlier today, and it's a pretty safe bet DL and NW will come through nice and lean.

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 7):

No. They're now the only legacy carrier never to have been in bankruptcy.

Tell that to Airtran and Jetblue. Because they both have revenue of over $1 billion, they are legacy carriers.


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
Continental had a foot in the grave before Lorenzo left.

Of course, when Francisco Lorenzo and his scrappy lil' Texas International succeeded in buying CO, they found out that Continental had one foot and four toes in the grave. Lorenzo's (Texas Air's) acquisition is the sole reason CO survived.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4568 times:
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
Tell that to Airtran and Jetblue. Because they both have revenue of over $1 billion, they are legacy carriers.

They are not legacy carriers. They are still LCCs. Just like how Southwest is not considered a legacy carrier, but still a LCC. Legacy carrier mostly is in reference to the American carriers that have been around pre-degregulation and provide a "full service" product. The $1 billion revenue threshold allows them to be classified as a major carrier.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 9):
Tell that to Airtran and Jetblue. Because they both have revenue of over $1 billion, they are legacy carriers.

 Yeah sure

Money in the bank does not make a carrier a legacy airline.



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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 7):
Quoting 797 (Reply 6):
Has AA ever been on Ch 11?

No. They're now the only legacy carrier never to have been in bankruptcy.

How about Alaska,

Also, TWA emerged twice I believe, you know what they say, third times a charm, not to be offensive to any TW employees or supporters.

US twice emerged.

Quoting BA747 (Thread starter):
Since 3 airlines are currently under chapter 11

How about 5, TZ, NW, UA, DL, and Aloha here in the USA. We did have six until US emerged.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

When does Ch 7 kicks in?

Curius

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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 14):
When does Ch 7 kicks in?

Basically, when the company can not borrow any more money, the money they have is gone, the creditors force a liquidation (that is what Ch. 7 is), the judge believes that the creditors will receive more by liquidating than as a going concern. There is no "set time limit" currently, that is changing with the new BK laws that go into effect on 10/17/05. Currently it is pretty much the judge and the creditors and whenever the judge decides that the concern is no longer going, than it is time to liquidate.

hope that answers your question.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 15):

Thx for answer my question.

Micke  wave 



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 12):
Money in the bank does not make a carrier a legacy airline.



Quoting Ha763 (Reply 11):
The $1 billion revenue threshold allows them to be classified as a major carrier.

"Legacy" and "major" what's in a name? I mean really comeon?  footinmouth 


User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Thx for answer my question.

Micke wave

No Problem.


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