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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2923 times:

What is the difference between Austrian and Lauda Airlines? They both seem very nice, although from Austrian's website, it seems like they are more normal and Lauda is more charter oriented. Still, the meals on both, even on short European flights, look great, and on airlinemeals.net, there is a feature on Lauda that makes them look like they have great catering. Also, do they fly to Male, and do either of them fly to the US? Thanks for your input.

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2920 times:

OS and NG are part of the OS group and bthey both operate service from VIE, OS/NG flies to the US IAD,JFK,ORD and then NG has charter they have a pretty diverse group : A32X,A33X/A34X 73G,738,76S,772 (and recently 737 classics and MD-8X) and Fokker 100 and then there is OS Arrows or OS Regional but that is something else. I hoped that helped you out.

-Devan   

[Edited 2005-09-28 05:56:45]


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User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Thread starter):
Also, do they fly to Male, and do either of them fly to the US? Thanks for your input.

VIE - MLE up to 3 x weekly via Colombo with B763ER

OS has Flights to JFK and IAD, both daily


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

They used to be separate carriers, quite fierce competition, actually.

Nikki Lauda used the money he earned as Formula 1 champion to start up his airline, but OS, back then, tried just about everything to get him out of business; they partly succeeded, which led to Lauda returning to the Formula 1 circuit to earn more money (I also think this was the phase in which he had his big accident, but I'm not sure there) to prep up his airline.

While OS kept doing just about everything to get him out of business again, he succeeded this time around. He offered great service at good fares and routes that, either for the most part or completely, weren't offered by OS. The airline started growing.

I remember reading about his ways of getting around red tape on some issues - while I'm not absolutely sure if this is just an urban legend, there's the story of his first flights to Australia: the airline didn't have the authority to fly into Australia yet on scheduled services, but the flights were already booked quite well - so he simply sold those tickets as flights from Vienna to Bangkok with a complimentary continuation to Sydney (or was it Melbourne?) - that way, he didn't have to wait for the permission but could start flying right away. He, obviously, lost some money doing this, but it worked as great marketing.

Over the years, Lufthansa started investing in Lauda - and that was the point where it had become somewhat clear that OS would not manage getting them out of the market anymore.

At some point, OS and NG started moving closer together, but I'm not sure about the inital reasons - I guess it would have been something along the lines of Austria being too small for two longhaul carriers, even if they're non-overlapping. At some point, OS took over the investment that LH had in NG, and the integration into OS began.

Then, of course, there was Nikki Lauda's departure from NG - after using company money for currency speculation, which went bad, he was forced to resign; around this time, OS gained either majority or full control, basically in the form of a bailout.

Hope I listed the short history of OS and NG correctly...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

That's a great summary Leskova, I never knew that Austrian and Lauda were now so interconnected.

What is the relationship with Star Alliance and Lauda? Austrian is a committed member, will Lauda be admitted in the future or will it simply become Austrian in the future?


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
At some point, OS and NG started moving closer together, but I'm not sure about the inital reasons - I guess it would have been something along the lines of Austria being too small for two longhaul carriers, even if they're non-overlapping. At some point, OS took over the investment that LH had in NG, and the integration into OS began.

NG was about to breakdown. They run out of money. OS took them over and than "fired" Lauda as a pilot. OS is still suffering because od the differnt A/C they took over.

Now they are phasing out the 737 classics. They cancelled an outstanding order for the 4th 777 and instead took delivery of 3 738 which OS likes a lot as the ordered one more not long time ago.

Simply to say. There is no LaudaAir anymore. It is just OS. They only use the logo and brand for charter flights.
They are also painting the ex-NG A/C in OS colors, and in the end only 2 or 3 A320 will remain in the old LaudaAir colors.


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 5):
and in the end only 2 or 3 A320 will remain in the old LaudaAir colors.

Do you know why? Doesn't make sence.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 6):
Do you know why? Doesn't make sence.

It is the brand that makes money for them. They even have some charter flights still with NG flightnumbers.
A huge amount of people in Austria simple just want to fly LaudaAir and they feel good and safe when they step into a LaudaAir painted A/C.
I must admit that I am everything else than a Lauda fan as for me N.Lauda is a ...... but I cannot deny that the service was good. But as they started to struggle the service went down as well.


User currently offlinePaul From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Lauda are part of Star Alliance however they are chanelled through OS. The airline is fantastic, I flew with them in C Class from VIE-SYD and the service and food was just unreal.

Great airline but need to replace their Business Class seat, they are not very comfortable. Does anyone know when they plan to update the 777 seats?

regards

Paul



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Paul: NG is not existing anymore. It is OS. From the pilots to the ramp agent all are OS Staff.

User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Did Lauda's loss of 767 OE-LAV in the horrific May 1991 'thrust reverser' crash have any bearing on events in the above story - did it weaken Lauda at all or cause loss of public perception?


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting DH106 (Reply 10):
Did Lauda's loss of 767 OE-LAV in the horrific May 1991 'thrust reverser' crash have any bearing on events in the above story - did it weaken Lauda at all or cause loss of public perception?

Yes they lost it after dep from BKK. Instead of avoiding NG people started to support Lauda actually. Also with the help of the media.

NG was always the loved airline by the media where as OS gets kicked in the ass every 2nd month for doing something bad.

There was even an interesting artile when a B738 returned to VIE after sudden preassure loss in the cabin and the newspaper said that it was only OS fault because MX were not as good as the NG MX back than.

Funny part: The MX who take care of the Boeing fleet is still the old NG MX`s.


User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting Leskova

Maybe if Richard Branson had acquired the Nikki Lauda’s carrier the NG situation would be better now.
The marketing purpose of Lauda seems to be very similar to the Virgin Atlantic’s.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):
What is the relationship with Star Alliance and Lauda? Austrian is a committed member, will Lauda be admitted in the future or will it simply become Austrian in the future?

Lauda is part of STAR as they are part of OS Group

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 5):
NG was about to breakdown. They run out of money. OS took them over and than "fired" Lauda as a pilot. OS is still suffering because od the differnt A/C they took over.

Actually, the different aircraft are one of the best things to happen to OS. OS is getting rid of the aircraft that were their's originally and ordering more of the types that flew for NG. As part of the settlement with Niki Lauda, he was able to keep a corporate jet that belonged to NG, along with a nice sized severence package



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Actually, the different aircraft are one of the best things to happen to OS. OS is getting rid of the aircraft that were their's originally and ordering more of the types that flew for NG. As part of the settlement with Niki Lauda, he was able to keep a corporate jet that belonged to NG, along with a nice sized severence package

That is true. Well they started quite a while after the takeover to order new 738.
Now they are getting rid of the 342 in favor for a new 772ER. In my opinion they could even go for a 773 as the demand for seats on their OS1/2
(VIE-KUL-SYD) route is there as those flights are virually full every day. But thats my personal opinion but one is not a good number, and they just need one 772 at this time.

The 772 was/is the best thing that could eventully happend to OS.


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

LESKOVA: great summary of the situation...but I also would like to know in which moment Niki airlines appeared


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 14):
In my opinion they could even go for a 773 as the demand for seats on their OS1/2
(VIE-KUL-SYD) route is there as those flights are virually full every day. But thats my personal opinion but one is not a good number, and they just need one 772 at this time.

Actually, to run that route, they would need 3 773ERs

Quoting Bongo (Reply 15):
...but I also would like to know in which moment Niki airlines appeared

It is actually known as flyNiki and Lauda started it when he took over the mess that was Aero Lloyd I do believe



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

I was also wondering, when starting the post, what the service is like, and how it compares and differs. I know the seats aren't great, although they looked good in C on the Airbus for Austrian from airliners.net search. Still, from airlinemeals.net, there is a feature in the behind sections if you click the link and click Lauda, you will see. http://www.airlinemeals.net/indexBehindthescenes.html
It looks quite delicious and wondered if anyone had info on the two's catering styles. Also, on the official website, their menus, even for short flights, looks great in C so if you have info, please post it. Thanks for the many replies already.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
It is actually known as flyNiki and Lauda started it when he took over the mess that was Aero Lloyd I do believe

And, not surprisingly, you believe correctly; well, almost...  Wink... it was Aero Lloyd Austria.

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 17):
although they looked good in C on the Airbus for Austrian from airliners.net search

Those on the A340 (haven't flown on their A330s yet) actually always were quite comfortable, though I have to admit that it's been ages since I've flown OS on longhauls - must have been somewhere around 1998/2000...

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 12):
Quoting Leskova

Maybe I missed it - but where did you quote me?

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 7):
It is the brand that makes money for them.

But the question is: why do they only keep a few under the Lauda brand. I flew VIE - SYD a couple of times with them and I'm very impressed by the service.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19):
But the question is: why do they only keep a few under the Lauda brand. I flew VIE - SYD a couple of times with them and I'm very impressed by the service.

Thats a good question but I do not have an answer.  Smile


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
Nikki Lauda used the money he earned as Formula 1 champion to start up his airline, but OS, back then, tried just about everything to get him out of business; they partly succeeded, which led to Lauda returning to the Formula 1 circuit to earn more money (I also think this was the phase in which he had his big accident, but I'm not sure there) to prep up his airline.

NIKI Lauda (Niki being short for Andreas Nikolaus) quit his F1 career in 1979 mostly because of personal problems with Enzo Ferrari. One of those problems was that Ferrari never accepted the fact that Lauda had surrendered the Grand Prix of Japan 1976, giving away the world championship to James Hunt. Lauda had his terrible crash earlier that year, at the Grand Prix of Germany (Nürburgring) on August 1st, 1976 and was still a bit shaky in Japan.

Later in 1979 he founded Lauda Air. They only had two Fokker 27 at the beginning and because of several problems Lauda Air went down in 1982.
Niki Lauda returned to Formula 1 (not only because of the money) and in 1984 he became world champion for the third time (after 1975 and 1977), thus becoming one of the most successful racers ever.

Niki Lauda quit F1 for good in 1985 and only a few months later he resurrected Lauda Air, this time being more aggressive. The planes were two leased BAC 1-11 and an old 737-200, but in 1986 the airline´s first new A/C arrived, the 737-300s OE-ILF and OE-ILG.

NG´s problems with OS started by the end of the 80s when NG started to fly scheduled flights and long-hauls to Asia and Australia.

For more info see the following thread or PM me:
Niki Lauda Flies His Latest A320 From TLS (by Beaucaire Sep 25 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Sebastian


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19):
But the question is: why do they only keep a few under the Lauda brand. I flew VIE - SYD a couple of times with them and I'm very impressed by the service.

I think they've kept it on the SYD route because of the brand that Lauda had built up, no-one here in Oz has ever heard of Austrian.



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1997 times:

Quote:
Quoting Leskova (Reply 18):
Maybe I missed it - but where did you quote me?



The summary of NG’s situation you wrote reported the sad end of a great airline.
If I replied it suggesting a solution which NG could have followed, I did it to enrich your discuss and to unavoidably quote you.
 white 


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 23):
to unavoidably quote you.

Ah, ok... don't worry, no need for a white flag...  Wink

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 21):
NG´s problems with OS started by the end of the 80s when NG started to fly scheduled flights and long-hauls to Asia and Australia.

Thank you for adding the missing pieces!!! There were some parts of the history that I just wasn't able to locate in my brain anymore... Big grin

Regards,
Frank



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25 Post contains images Glareskin : If this was the case I would have unterstood, but this was OHLHD's quote: I figure they are not going to do VIE - SYD with 2 or 3 A320...
26 FrancoBlanco : @Leskova: No problem! Here in Austria we don´t have that much national heroes so it is easy to remember each one´s curriculum! Sebastian
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