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Oly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 4744 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

According to this

http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztra...el/2005-09-26-seat-beds-usat_x.htm

British Airways now offers the seat-beds on every flight departing North America for London. By January, it will have installed them on jets flying New York-to-Manchester, he says. It remains one of two airlines, along with Virgin Atlantic, with fully horizontal beds in business class.

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Does this mean that the good old 'NWH is going to carry on?? and on and on and on

Man City p3 w3 d0 l0 f4 a0 P9 - hey it may never happen again!

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SNATH From United States, joined Mar 2004, 2775 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Thread starter):
It remains one of two airlines, along with Virgin Atlantic, with fully horizontal beds in business class.

Didn't Air New Zealand license the VS business class beds?

Tony

[Edited 2005-09-28 10:56:00]

"4 engines for too long!", Randy Baseler on Airbus

SNATH From United States, joined Mar 2004, 2775 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 1):
Didn't Air New Zealand license the VS business class beds?

I found a link: http://www.flatseats.com/Reviews/nz-spc-1.htm

Tony

"4 engines for too long!", Randy Baseler on Airbus

Timetable From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1113 times:

NWH is Due To be Dusked this winter. What I'd like to no is NWH should now be in the same config as NWI/M/N/O/R/S/T/U/V, Will the A/C still be MAN Based or will it start to do LHR flights and leave BACX.

GayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1051 times:

What does dusked mean, and what is the origin of the term?

BA ought to put a 777 on the route...it is packed veryday and almost a third of all pax everyday transfer on to other BA/SN/EI flighs t MAN.

Gkirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23769 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1046 times:

A third class on MAN-JFK? Bye bye BA MAN-JFK me thinks

When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!

GayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1031 times:

I doubt it, it is very profitable and caries good freight loads too.

Gkirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23769 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1026 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 6):
I doubt it, it is very profitable and caries good freight loads too.

BA will try anything to pull off MAN-JFK

When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!

Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2004, 3409 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 996 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 4):
What does dusked mean, and what is the origin of the term?

Dusk is the term used when an aircraft goes in to be refurbished, in particular reference to replacing cradle seats with Club World sleepers.

The term 'dusk' comes from the fact intallation of cradle seats was called Project Dawn (I think). Dawn, dusk....get it? Wink

"My first job was selling doors, door to door, that's a tough job innit" - Bill Bailey

BlueShamu330s From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 959 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
BA will try anything to pull off MAN-JFK

...sigh...

Yeah yeah, just like AA regret opening NCL..... can't wait to admit they were wrong.

Where do people get this idea that BA hate the MAN-JFK run ?

They've operated the damn thing for YEARS, and PROFITABLY.

Shamu

So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(

GayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 888 times:

Well said Shamu, BA make a lot of dosh on this route and I have never heard in my years of working at MAN hat BA wish to do anything detrimental to this route.

Col From United States, joined Nov 2003, 1446 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 803 times:

JFK-MAN will be BA's only route out of MAN soon. stirthepot

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VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 713 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 8):
The term 'dusk' comes from the fact intallation of cradle seats was called Project Dawn

This may be correct. Certainly 'Dusk conversion' is the term BA are using for the current spate of 767 cabin refurbishments to a 189 (J24 / W24 / M141) passenger configuration with flat-bed J seats. But I thought 'Dusk' referred to the initial use of the converted aircraft on routes like LHR-TLV with a dusk (evening) departure and early morning arrival.

David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 5433 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 603 times:

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Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 9):
They've operated the damn thing for YEARS, and PROFITABLY.

Despite charging more for it than the MAN-LHR-JFK alternative. To go to to 3 class suggests that there must be some of these fabled F class payers from the impoverished north which people generally say don't exist in terms of long-haul flights ex-MAN!

David

WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 577 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 9):
Where do people get this idea that BA hate the MAN-JFK run ?

They've operated the damn thing for YEARS, and PROFITABLY.

One of the BA people who is usually right in his observations recently stated that the net profit on the route has recently hit the two million per annum mark.

There can't be many 763s out there which are earning that kind of money day in, day out....having the AA codeshare will certainly help fill up any seats left from the healthy O&D demand.

Quoting David_itl (Reply 13):

Despite charging more for it than the MAN-LHR-JFK alternative.

You charge what you can get. BA1502/3 are regularly full, so it's obvious BA will want more for any remaining seats. Out of Thiefrow there are more seats available therefore more empty to sell at a discount.

Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2484 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 554 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
You charge what you can get. BA1502/3 are regularly full, so it's obvious BA will want more for any remaining seats. Out of Thiefrow there are more seats available therefore more empty to sell at a discount.

Which is why upgrading to the 777 on the MAN-JFK route would probably be a bad idea - limiting capacity with the 767 controls yield. If a 777 were introduced on what is almost exclusively an O&D route, BA would probably have to discount more heavily to fill the aircraft and completely wipe out any financial benefit of the extra capacity.

With the new Club World, WT+ and PTVs in economy on the 767 there is little benefit of a 777 from a passenger perspective, and it will certainly be a boost against Continental's now lacklustre 757 offerings. Added to this is that the MAN-JFK route will become a standard long-haul 767, which will increase flexibility and reduce costs for BA against having an "oddball" aircraft based at Manchester.

Regards
CROSSWIND

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