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Delta, Gulfstream Interested In Marathon  
User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Marathon Airport will begin talks with Delta Air Lines (unsure which connection carrier) and Gulfstream in the coming months about beginning service to the Middle Keys area. They are aiming for a Feb '06 start, but if that isn't possible, they would prefer to wait until Nov '06 when the season picks back up. USAirways has also shown interest, but not until next year.

Marathon has secured $1 million in funds to back up their plans.

http://www.keysnews.com/284343965240247.bsp.htm

-Mike

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Gulfstream is the better option, IMO. Gulfstream would fly 1900Ds to Tampa and Fort Lauderdale or Miami. This provides much better connectivity in a better sized aircraft than Delta, who would provide RJs to Orlando. RJs are just too big for this market.


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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 995 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

This will be fantastic, no more flying to FLL or MIA to reach the Long Key house.


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Gulfstream is the better option, IMO. Gulfstream would fly 1900Ds to Tampa and Fort Lauderdale or Miami. This provides much better connectivity in a better sized aircraft than Delta, who would provide RJs to Orlando. RJs are just too big for this market.

could RJs even operate at MTH? Isn't it a shorter field than EYW???


User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 3):
could RJs even operate at MTH? Isn't it a shorter field than EYW???

Marathon has the longer runway. The runway at EYW is 4800ft long. MTH has a 5000ft runway.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Ithink 1x daily 32 seat erj would work at Marathon.


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 5):
Ithink 1x daily 32 seat erj would work at Marathon.

1x service is never worth opening the station. I'd think the Gulfstream B1900 plan is much better.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting CVG777 (Reply 4):
Marathon has the longer runway. The runway at EYW is 4800ft long. MTH has a 5000ft runway.

Thanks, I wasn't sure about that...


User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Typical USAirways wishi-washiness. They've already been there and pulled out. Now they're looking at going back in ? If they couldn't make it work with the smallest planes in the fleet before, what makes them think flying bigger planes in there's now is gonna work ?

Oh yea .. that'sright ... the travelling public is now supposedly just clammering all over themselves for the priveledge of flying the "new" USAirways ... DUH! Silly me !


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 8):
Typical USAirways wishi-washiness. They've already been there and pulled out. Now they're looking at going back in ? If they couldn't make it work with the smallest planes in the fleet before, what makes them think flying bigger planes in there's now is gonna work ?

Jesus, they pulled out EIGHT YEARS AGO, not yesterday. Things change.  Yeah sure



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

What's changed? Except maybe US has gotten even smaller on the east coast in the past couple of years.

Oh yea but i forgot about that mega-hub US was trying out in FLL (the one that Spirit is forcing US to retreat from).

US can not now and will never succeed in Fla. Theres just too much competion from airlines far better than they are. Come to think of it, that can be said about anyplace US flies, IMHO, of course!


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

FLL Mega-hub? Riiiiiiiiight.... when was this?

Also, Spirit? Can I expect to see their Airbii here in ABE any time soon, how about my dad can he catch them in MGW? Oh no that's right, because they only serve 27 cities in total (from their website). I somehow doubt they scared off US considering how many other airlines are in FLL.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

It would also be nice to see some CapeAir flights from TPA-MTH.


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
Also, Spirit? Can I expect to see their Airbii here in ABE any time soon, how about my dad can he catch them in MGW

Hardly big markets . .. . is that your gauge of how big and/or successful an airline is by whether or not an airline flies to ABE or MGW? In fact, wasn't even your precious US thinking of dropping MGW ? Thought I heard that.
Though Spirit has started PVD and flies to ACY .. so ABE really might not be that far-fetched.

But last I knew, BA or JL didnt fly to those cities either. SO that means they're small potatoes?

Bottom line is that Spirit (and I chose them merely as an example, as I'm not a huge fan of them either) is leaner and more established than this new shaky USAirways is - which still has yet to merge operations or even say officially how theyre gonna figure out the seniority list issue.. They've had no direction for years and have had more failed attempts at reincarnating themselves as this "full service but low fares" carrier than anyone else (MetroJet come to mind? How bout MidAtlantic or whatever that was called).

My only wish is that when HP took over, they had the sense to just change the brand name so they could start fresh. US is and has for a long time been a disgrace to it's heritage, IMHO.

Tony


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 13):
Hardly big markets . .. . is that your gauge of how big and/or successful an airline is by whether or not an airline flies to ABE or MGW? In fact, wasn't even your precious US thinking of dropping MGW ?

No, that's not my gauge... but 27 markets total is a gauge of a typical NICHE LCC. What part of LCC'S SERVE NICHES don't you people ever understand? When Spirit operates 10% of the flights that US (under all its flags) does in a day, and serves over 100 markets, then you can contend they are a legitimate threat. Spirit doesn't even infiltrate the markets where US is biggest (PHL, PIT, CLT) They serve BOS via PVD too. The only places where they're putting any legitimate head-to-head fight against US is LGA and DCA, the other cities are markets where US either isn't at all, or isn't there in any significant way.

*Note, the "New" US includes LAS as a big operation, but that isn't a major operation for Spirit.

Also, US isn't dropping MGW by their own doings, but Air Midwest (d/b/a as US Airways Express) was not chosen for the EAS renewal. So maybe your facts need checked as well.

Furthermore, if you knew me on here well enough, you'd know that US definitely is NOT "beloved" by me and for most of 2005 I've refused to step foot on their metal. Once again, check your facts.

[Edited 2005-09-29 16:00:33]

User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
if you knew me on here well enough, you'd know that US definitely is NOT "beloved" by me and for most of 2005 I've refused to step foot on their metal. Once again, check your facts.

Who are you, some kind of celebrity who thinks people follow his every word ?

But i beg to differ re: your size comparison . . . WN wasnt as big as US when it ran them off the west coast back when they took over PSA. Within even a couple of yrs, US had decimated the old PSA system --- and they ran waving the white flag as they retreated back to their "comfy and safe" east coast.

Thats all i mean. US always retreats in the face of competition. What markets or other airlines turf have they ever invaded and won ?


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 15):

Who are you, some kind of celebrity who thinks people follow his every word ?

You're the one who inferred US was my beloved.

Back to topic: What's the drive time between say EYW and MTH, and MTH and the next nearest airport on the mainland side (MIA I presume?) Is there a need for Delta to CRJ both EYW and MTH, but then again Delta has done dumber things in their days with their CRJ's.


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