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Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US  
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

I've been trying to think about what kind of role ZW is going to play with the new US....I don't see that it's anything special right now.....anyone have any info on what we will be doing with the new carrier, besides the obvious flying.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Besides flying 70 CRJ-200s and maybe a few bigger CRJs? I dunno, you'll probably wind up ground handling a few stations. What else did you expect?


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

They should put ZW ground crews back into the mountain towns where they have experience.

On that note, why do I still have a hard time believing that the 146's are done and dead after this winter at ZW?


User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
On that note, why do I still have a hard time believing that the 146's are done and dead after this winter at ZW?

What else are they going to do? They can't fly for US.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
What else are they going to do? They can't fly for US.

I think UA is going to have strike a deal with ZW at ASE because UA doesn't have much choice. See past discussions:

Future Of ASE (by Apodino Sep 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)
Aspen Problem For UA (by Jayspilot Aug 5 2005 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 5775 times:

Things will be fine. We don't have a lot to show right now except the fact that we were for many years the best partner that United had. We now have to transfer that to this other airline. Also, the management has not bankrupted themselves by whoring themselves to a new carrier, operating new airplanes while in dept up to their eyeballs.

Give it time. Things don't happen overnight. AWAC owns some 14% of the new company and has a seat on the board.

If the new US Airways survives we will have a stake in what happens.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 5749 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 5):
we were for many years the best partner that United had.

Skywest?

ZW will get their chunk, most of which will be out east. Doubtful you will see any ZW ground handled stations.


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

DLKAPA,
not a betting man but the situation at nwa with mesaba would make a great opportunity for ual to pick up some low time avros, and continue the ase runs....



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 7):
not a betting man but the situation at nwa with mesaba would make a great opportunity for ual to pick up some low time avros, and continue the ase runs....

Right you are, forgot about that. With XJ looking to pick up some flying I wouldn't be surprised to see them heading for Denver.

btw... DRO is pretty nice  Wink


User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6):
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 5):
we were for many years the best partner that United had.

Skywest?

Saab2000 has said repeatedly that he works for AWAC.


User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

NW has the leases on those Avros's and are electing to park them. I'm not sure if XJ has much of a choice in the matter.

As for AWAC, I'd love to see some ground work for the new US. You would think that with 14% of the company and a seat on the board that we could get a better deal. I know the RFP has been a big point of concern for some of the crews around here....they are wondering why we even have to bid, why aren't we just given the chance to do the flying? I'd like to see what the Express product is going to be like. Have you seen the Explus that UA is doing....nice but the flight attendants that I've had so far have been CRAP!!! Mesa and Chautauqua FA's act more like McDonalds workers rather than First Class FA's. I was on a 170 recently and the FA's gave us one drink in F class then went to the back and talked the rest of the flight....no refills, nothing. I'd like to see US Express offer a nice F class product where it's a snack basket, kind of like what HP/US are doing now on mainline....and on much longer fligths, like PHL - MSP, some kind of sandwich around meal time....just offer something! What does HP Express offer on it's fligths where there is F Class?



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 9):
Saab2000 has said repeatedly that he works for AWAC.

From my experience at ZW and the feedback through Market Track surveys shared with us, Skywest consistently ranked #1 out of all the UA regionals.


User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

You are right, they do rank number one on the market track surveys.....we put a few ghost riders on some of the flights to see what was going on and they would tell passengers that they would appreciate it if they would select "definitely" for question number 13 -- the only question that really matters. "Would you select United Express for a flight of this length in the future".......they ASKED if they would please select definitely. They also rank high up there for on time......but hell, when most of your flights are on the West from LAX and SFO I would hope you had great numbers. Now that they are flying a lot in DEN the numbers are lower....just wait till they fly out of ORD a lot...numbers will keep going down.


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User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Thread starter):
I've been trying to think about what kind of role ZW is going to play with the new US....I don't see that it's anything special right now.....anyone have any info on what we will be doing with the new carrier, besides the obvious flying.

Hope we see ZW for US back in the springs soon. Good people at ZW.

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
On that note, why do I still have a hard time believing that the 146's are done and dead after this winter at ZW?

Am very curious as to what UAL will do with ASE.

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 9):
Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6):
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 5):
we were for many years the best partner that United had.

Skywest?

In my opinion skywest doesnt come close. Just when you get comfy with a regional, they switch carriers. Smile


User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 13):
Am very curious as to what UAL will do with ASE.

That isn't the topic of this thread...


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

ZW is here in DEN until at least April. Then UA will have to strike a deal or lose that market. Groundhandling/CS will be done by SkyWest starting next week.

Alex.



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Forgetting the whole ASE thing, and good luck Skywest with the ground handling.....

What form is AWAC going to take with US....there has to be something more. Do you think US wants to ditch their wholly owned in order to raise cash...ZW could buy PSA, same equipment, and allows ZW to obtain larger planes. I'm afraid that ZW is going to be passed by for flying larger planes.... !!!!



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 10):
As for AWAC, I'd love to see some ground work for the new US. You would think that with 14% of the company and a seat on the board that we could get a better deal. I know the RFP has been a big point of concern for some of the crews around here....they are wondering why we even have to bid, why aren't we just given the chance to do the flying?

Er...maybe because ZW does not own all of US? Why should US pay ZW above-market rates when that would just be wasting other investors' money?

Yes, ZW invested money in US. In return, they got a JSA for 70 airplanes, at a rate equal to what US is paying its other contract RJ providers.

They will very likely also be handling some stations for US, in particular some Express stations currently handled by Mesa (above- and below-wing) and some current mainline stations that will be outsourced (below-wing only).

If ZW and Mesa or SkyWest or someone bids on new flying, and the bids are the same, ZW would almost certainly get the push in that situation. But why would US give ZW flying when it could be accomplished cheaper elsewhere, other than to satisfy some employees' sense of entitlement?



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Do you really think that the money was invested just for the 70 jets? If you want to pay Mesa to handle stations, great. I'm not saying that we at ZW are the best, we have a few agents that just aren't great, but we have a great training department, new agents get about 12 weeks of training when it's all said and done. If you want Mesa agents who are dumb as dirt...go for it.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 18):
Do you really think that the money was invested just for the 70 jets?

No, it was obviously for 70 jets plus a sense of entitlement for line employees.  Silly

Seriously, the money invested ($125 million) was for 8,333,333 shares of stock, plus a JSA for 70 jets.

Oh, by the way, that stock is now worth over $170 million. That's why lots of other investors bought stock, and they didn't even get a JSA thrown in.  Yeah sure

If you'd like to point out to me where you're entitled to more than 8,333,333 shares of stock and a JSA for 70 jets, please do. The investment agreement is available at http://www.donlinrecano.net/dr201/mwc/04-13819/dk003263-0015.pdf, and the redacted JSA is available at http://www.donlinrecano.net/dr201/mwc/04-13819/dk001868-0000.pdf.



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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

I'm not saying that we as AWAC employee's are entitled to anything....but wouldn't you agree that as an investor in the new US with seat on the board, don't you think that ZW is going to play some role, besides the 70 jets, with the new US? The owners of this company won't be satisfied with that.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 20):
but wouldn't you agree that as an investor in the new US with seat on the board, don't you think that ZW is going to play some role, besides the 70 jets, with the new US?

I do think it's likely ZW will have more of a role. I've already said above twice that they will likely be handling some stations in the near future. I also think they'll probably get some more jets at some point, maybe soon, maybe not. Depending on how the EMB-190 thing goes, US might be looking to place a lot of CRJ-900s in the near future. But to suggest that US just hand them over to ZW without a bid is ridiculous.

And, again, plenty of other investors only got stock, and some of them didn't even get a board seat. And yet they're quite happy.

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 20):
The owners of this company won't be satisfied with that.

I think the owners of the company should be quite satisfied. They found a place for their planes, and they have already made a heck of a return on their investment.



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User currently offlineUAcosCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 14):
Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 13):
Am very curious as to what UAL will do with ASE.

That isn't the topic of this thread...

wasnt the topic, but question was answered! Smile


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 10):
What does HP Express offer on it's fligths where there is F Class?

There is no F class on HP express aircraft. No food on board other than pretzels and peanuts, and the beverage selection is much more limited than on mainline.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 13):

In my opinion skywest doesnt come close. Just when you get comfy with a regional, they switch carriers.

I'm not saying UA drops their best best performing regionals, what I did say was that through market research Skywest was always ranked higher than AWAC and ACA at the time.

Regardless, AWAC will be operating all 70 crj for the new US Airways by early 2006 and probably not handling any field stations unless they can get their costs below that of third parties such as DGS and FSS to name a few...


25 ATWZW170 : I flew on a CRJ900 from PHX - TUS and there were F Class seats??
26 146CREW : The YV CR9s used to have, I think 6 F seats but they were taken out earlier this year (not exactly sure about the date though) in favor of an Y86 lay
27 AZFLYER84 : I agree with A330323X on that some of the outstations currently handled by YV will go to ZW. SBA for example is a great place for ZW it is almost enti
28 Post contains images UAcosCS : I agree with you about skywest. But like ZW UAL wore them to thin, and even their ORD ops suffered. Now look at OO, they have become the regional the
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