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Air Sahara Up For Grabs?  
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Just read this in the Times of India!
Apparently, Air Sahara may be taken over by rival Indian carriers.
Here's the link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1245904.cms

If foreign ownership rules were lifted, I think Air Sahara could be made into a successful franchise for some carriers!
Virgin would love to, SRB is always going on about investing in an Indian airline.
BA could make Air Sahara a franchise - like Comair in South Africa - Air Sahara are already allied with BA and AA!

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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

interesting times ahead. Also heard it in one of the threads that among the indian carriers SpiceJet is contemplating taking over. Don't think GOI will allow foreign carriers to take over S2, although SRB must be salivating already.
Jet doesn't need Sahara.
Indian Airlines, Kingfisher and Air Deccan don't need different kind of aircraft.
AI Express shall be getting its own B738s.
so who besides the lesors would want S2's planes? But its not just planes but overseas rights. So if suppose SpiceJet get overseas rights because of take over, then Vijaya Mallaya is not going to keep quite.
The report says that the financials of the airlines are not in public domain, which is not at all surprising. Maybe that is what is keep away relatively clean guys.
rgds
VT-ASJ

p.s.what a topic for my 1000th post.

[Edited 2005-09-28 23:34:08]

[Edited 2005-09-28 23:35:25]


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User currently offlineLaxdesi From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2828 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
Jet doesn't need Sahara

True, but it gets to reduce competition on international routes for another three plus years and acquires a well established Delhi hub. It may be worth it depending on the price.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
Kingfisher and Air Deccan don't need different kind of aircraft

IMO, aircraft type incomatibilty is not a deal breaker. Between the three, I would like to see Kingfisher take control of Sahara.

AI could benefit by taking over Sahara but perhaps does not have the resources to do so. It could turn Sahara into a domestic equivalent of Air India Express.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting Laxdesi (Reply 2):
I would like to see Kingfisher take control of Sahara.

their deal fell apart long back..if i may say so, this is the second rumour. The earlier one was regarding Kingfisher.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

I wonder how true this News really is.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
I wonder how true this News really is

I think they have appointed E&Y as their advisors for the same. So I guess they are serious.

Also another question, can SRB not float a company registered in India, say Virgin Atlantic India or something and then bid for S2 thru that. Would GOI approve of that.....?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
can SRB not float a company registered in India

I think Owner & 2/3 of Directors need to be Indian.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Air Sahara management has confirmed that they are looking for strategic investors. Their name has been up at Heathrow-3 for the past 4 months, since May'05, and they haven't launched a service as yet on the India-UK run.

Not really up for grabs, but yes, looking to expand outwards.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 7):
Air Sahara management has confirmed that they are looking for strategic investors. Their name has been up at Heathrow-3 for the past 4 months, since May'05, and they haven't launched a service as yet on the India-UK run.

Not really up for grabs, but yes, looking to expand outwards.

What happened to their A330 plans.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 7):

Not really up for grabs, but yes, looking to expand outwards.

They want to sell 75% of their equity..... close enough thought  Smile
(good thing as well)
-Nikhil



eP007
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2884 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

If SpiceJet get their hands on S2 it will be a too much too soon situation for them to handle.
Lets face the facts most of the 737 S2 has are leased, all the CRJs are leased, the only reason they had a 17% market share was because earlier there was no SJ/DN.
Infact DNs market share in 2003 was 1% and today it is 10%. the only advantage SJ would have in taking over S2 would be the advantage of its slots at DEL and as mentioned above the rights to fly international. But then again SJ would be like a BMI on a DEl-LHR flight who is not so recognised nationally let alone internationally.

So in the end barring the DEL slots it makes no sense for SJ to take charge ,

However otoh if 9W were to take control of S2, they would eliminate their sole internationally allowed domestic private operator for the next 5 yrs and as said above gain total control of Indias Capital, which would eventually see them take control over 50% of Indias market share, not to mention the international sectors that would follow.

Just my 2 paise worth


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2330 times:

Anyone having the staistics of Pax load in the Domestic sectors Percentagewise per Airline in the last quarter.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
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I think Jet is looking at this option. The fleets are compatible. Excess capacity could be returned to lessors or leased out. Removing them as a competitor in the international markets will be a plus.

User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

If Jet acquire S2, then what will happen to the agreement signed by AA and BA with S2? Null and void??

User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

The name Neera Radia is doing the rounds as a potential investor, though who she will be investing on behalf of is still unclear. There is some reason to believe that it may be on behalf of Wadia's GO. The kind of money S2 expects makes sense only for a newcomer.

Another thing is that Air Sahara have not been issuing counter offers for ground staff leaving for other airlines at higher salaries, as they were doing in the past. Likewise, onboard, the "Bid-n-Win" has been discontinued w.e.f. 01st October'05 as that used to have a mid-term liability. And there is no tangible information at all about their London operations.

The S2 and 9W Boeing-737 fleets are not compatible by a long shot. S2 operates a fair number of 737-300s and 400s, which 9W does not. Furthermore, S2 also operates 7 CRJ aircraft, which 9w does not.

But most of all, while 9W has what can best be called "consistent modern interiors", S2 varies from aircraft to aircraft. Luck of the draw, one day on an ancient 737-400 and next day on a reasonably new 737-300 or 700.

Having said all that, and as an Air Sahara loyalist to some extent, this is a great airline from the point of view of how they look after passengers.


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