Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13229 times:
What is up with the A320 nosegear anyway, are these incidents caused by some design fault or what is up? I am not trying to bash Airbus in anyway, i am an Airbus buff all the way, i am just curious to what have caused these almost identical incidents.
UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12546 times:
Quoting Midway2AirTran (Reply 4): At first, I catch myself looking for the red ribbon with "Remove Before Flight" in white letters on the gear. LOL!
I'm going to guess that is going to be the gear pin which was installed after the landing. Even if it was in, it wouldn't cause the gear to not turn, no? I thought the gear pin prevented the gear from retracting.
As to the JetBlue,
Even the stairs have JetBlue so I'm going to guess that it is not false.
727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12410 times:
So, this has happened to JetBlue twice now, and United once? I seem to remember MSNBC quoted a similar incident with HP also in the late 90's. How many other nose gear failures are there that we don't know about???? I suppose the problem is benign enough not to raise flags with the media (people have die anymore it seems) but how soon is it going to be before it happens in a location with a poor runway or harsh weather conditions and someone does get hurt? Sounds to me like airbus has some recall work to do.
Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2221 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12280 times:
I've seen reports that have said this type of nose gear incident has occured seven times. But that comes from the good 'ol media here in the states, so take it for what it's worth. The photos really are amazing... nice to see some close ups to truly understand the damage.
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Toulouse From Ireland, joined Apr 2005, 2733 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11907 times:
This has ctainly happened a number of times. It's a maintenance fault, known by Airbus and civil aviation authorities.
And also in defence of the 320, like the 737, its one of the most widely used aircraft inthe world (2nd I believe after the 737), so satistically speaking, indicents will occur more often.
Anyway, I hope and am confident the Airbus will be doing there best to sort this out (they already issued bulletins back in 99), and I feel that unfortunately the wonderful mass media has now got their dirty hands on these recent incidents, and will blow it out of all proportions.
Birdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9473 times:
Quoting Toulouse (Reply 16): And also in defence of the 320, like the 737, its one of the most widely used aircraft inthe world (2nd I believe after the 737), so satistically speaking, indicents will occur more often.
I definitely agree.
Quoting Toulouse (Reply 16): and I feel that unfortunately the wonderful mass media has now got their dirty hands on these recent incidents, and will blow it out of all proportions
Yes, but airliners are held to a extremely high standard, and to a large extent by those in the industry themselves. I hate media sensationalization but...
777s should not be stalling at 41,000 ft.
A320s should not have nosegear stuck sideways.
A300s should not have their tails breaking off.
737s should not have rudder issues that causes them to auger into the gound.
(This last one hits close to home as my father knew and had flown with the pilot who was in command of the UA flight that crashed at Colorado Springs.)
I'm an engineer, and know all about "stuff happens," but excellence in aviation should be the standard by which all are held.
A good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing is if the aircraft can be flown again.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9409 times:
Well, I guess that the beloved A320 has a design flaw, plain and simple. Maybe it rears its ugly head soon in the airframe's life and maybe later. It shouldnt rear its ugly head at all...Granted, its better than a collapsed gear but imagine all the structural stress to the front end of the surronding areas in the wheel well area, that cannot be too healthy for the plane.
I think its strange that these incidents only start coiming up after one is highly publicized. Could airlines be trying to keep this "flaw" out of the public's eye or did they just hope that people wouldnt hear about it? Did the airlines think that it was an acceptable "glitch" that just came as part and parcel with the A320??
Does this same phenomenon happen on the A318/319/or 321 or is it isolated to the 320? Could this sort of thing happn on an A330 or 340 or even worse, the A380???
Just some thoughts...
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25 TPASXM787: I agree that more incidents are bound to happen with 320s and 737s becuase they are flown so much around the world every day. Like with the 737 classi
26 United787: The picture of the United plane shows that the belly has A319 written it.[Edited 2005-09-29 19:26:20]
27 Ikramerica: Yes, notice the JetBlue tug next the the plane. AFAIK, JetBlue doesn't keep a spare at LAX just in case... Yes, so it is not just the A320, but also
28 Midnights: Where were these struts last overhauled? We've heard that Airbus has issued an AD for this problem and that the maint on both UA and jetblue was done
29 Airmech: More pics in this thread... http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/128900/
30 Omoo: Thanks for sharing the pics....great photos