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Screens On Jet Intakes?  
User currently offlineCorey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

With the constant hazard of FOD and bird-strikes etc. why don't engine mfr's put screens or something over the intakes of jet engines? Is there some technical problem which would preclude this? or is it just the engine mfr's saving $$?

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User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3469 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1138 times:
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$$ has nothing to do with it. Such a screen would interfere/reduce the airflow into the engine, causing more problems then benefits.


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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3708 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1137 times:
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The Intakes are made as small as possible to reduce the drag, a screen would increase the drag & restrict airflow. Additionally an aero engine spends 99% of its time out of the flight regime where there is a high risk of damage so the cost's of such a thing if it were possible would not justfy it.

User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

It won't work for the jet engine!! Try test yourself what is the between difference open your window with screen and without screen. How it does feel wind air? Screen is insufficent pressure air! There is no way to help! Sorry!  



User currently offlineCorey777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Hmm...guess I can't make my fortune selling anti-FOD screens to P&W...back to the drawing board!!    

Corey


User currently offlineTop Gun From Canada, joined May 1999, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

lets give out heads a shake here. i can see no one knows any physics, or they forgot to post it here. A 2kg bird flying into a "Screen" that is moving at 150 knots at takeoff/Climbout (think realitvity here). You would need a cement wall to stop it, why do you think that the metal is bend to Kingdome come after a strike? Sorry boys, simply not feasible. Covering the main Cowl with a "Screen" doesn't nessiarly reduce air intake, have a look at the modified J-58's on the SR-71.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2989 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1101 times:

On MiG 29 series aircraft, and have been for some years now. they are deployed during taxi and takeoff regimes of flight, and retracted during normal flight. I've tried to find photos on the web, but these search engines are no help. But trust me, i've seen them in action. they look like plates with small slots that come from the top of the intakes down to match its profile. maybe you all will have better luck locating an image. Helicopters uese defector plates to siphon sand and debris as well, consisting of a plate that causes a sharp bend in airflow into the engine. this sharp turn causes heavier particles to be thrown clear of the intake (because their mass causes their angular momentum to throw them clear) and the lighter less dense fluids (air) is ingested. not practical at high speeds or altitudes though.


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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3708 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1096 times:
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There is a big difference in mass airflow between a Mig-29, SR-71 & helicopter engines and a high by-pass fan engine so I don't believe that system would work.




User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

Screens would be a great place for ice to collect. When it breaks off guess where it goes. What a horrendous idea.

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