Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..  
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Here's a link from the Puget Sound Business Journal:

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seatt...005/09/26/daily27.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Suspended now, most likely cancelled for good next Spring. They used to fly Illuyshin (sp?) aircraft in here (A340 ripoff) and then the T7. They operated for approximately 10 years, if memory serves correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Due to language issues, there was almost a near disaster here several years ago...the pilot almost mistook 1st Ave. South in Burien (also north/south, parallel to 16/34) as the runway.

23 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3829 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

That would be too bad. I believe there's quite a Russian population here in the Seattle area. Hopefully, SU will decide to continue the nonstop flights on a seasonal basis.

Also, maybe this will open a door to another Russian contender. I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Well i think SEA has had a long history with Aeroflot - in the mid 1990's they operated from Khabarovsk via ANC to SEA with an IL-62 (later Magadan Airways - but originally Aeroflot), after that it was combined with Aeroflot's SFO flight, and operated 777 SVO-SEA-SFO-SVO and later SVO-SEA-SFO-SEA-SVO, right over the north pole. more recently the SFO tag-on was dropped.

'902



life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32213 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):

Also, maybe this will open a door to another Russian contender. I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?

Not too far fetched an idea. Both TransAero and Domodedovo Airlines have set their sights on expanding in the US market, especially given Aeroflot's dwinlding pressence. TransAero is flying to Montreal and Domodedovo will soon be flying to Miami, both filling gaps that Aeroflot left behind. Seeing one of the two flying DME-SEA would not surprise me if Aeroflot decides to leave permanently. Seattle has a large Russian community, and, while that doesn't always warrant service, they keep very close business and social ties with Russia, which does

Aeroflot is really dwindling down in North America. As recently as 1999, they were flying to Chicago, Miami, Mexico City, Montreal, Seattle, San Francisco, and Anchorage. Now they will be down to five: Toronto, Dulles, New York City, LA, and Havana. And service to Dulles is via JFK, not even non-stop!



a.
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Curious if we won't see more US airlines entering the Russian market. DL's new ATL-SVO to complement JFK-SVO; the rumored CO EWR-Moscow. Could an AA ORD/MIA-Moscow be on a drawing board somewhere?

I guess it just goes to show you that the population size of a metro area in of itself doesn't necessarily warrant frequent non-stop intercontinental service. If I am not mistaken, the Moscow metro area is the most populous in Europe however there is very limited non-stop service to North America compared to much smaller metro areas.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

SEA used to have all kinds of service to the Russian Far East, as well as SVO via SU obviously. AS even operated several one-stops via ANC for many years. If this goes away it will be sad, as it would be the end of a long history of service from SEA - Russia.  crying 

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And service to Dulles is via JFK, not even non-stop!

in the winter its via JFK. in the summer it is nonstop.

'902



life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Thread starter):
They used to fly Illuyshin (sp?) aircraft in here (A340 ripoff) and then the T7.

While the IL96 did run the route some of the time, they started with the IL62

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
SEA used to have all kinds of service to the Russian Far East, as well as SVO via SU obviously. AS even operated several one-stops via ANC for many years

Actually, AS' flights were more than just one-stops. They usually went SEA-ANC and then to 2-3 destinations in the Russian Far East



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Reply 11, posted Sat Apr 17 2004 20:20:02 UTC+2 and read 318 times:

Look for SU to drop Seattle sometime in the Fall.



Sorry to say, I called this one back in April 2004. Too bad I was one year off .  Smile



John@SFO
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Thread starter):
They used to fly Illuyshin (sp?) aircraft in here (A340 ripoff)

The IL96 is based on the IL86 which debuted before the A340--so A340 ripoff isn't too accurate. If a statement like that could be made it would be that the IL86 is an AB3 ripoff--which I don't agree with either.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Actually, AS' flights were more than just one-stops. They usually went SEA-ANC and then to 2-3 destinations in the Russian Far East

They used to do Magadan, Khabarovsk, and Vladivostok. IIRC those flights used to go out pretty full.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

AS flew to another Russian Far-east city that I can't pronounce "P-K."

It would be nice if Mavial Magadan would reinstate SEA with their TU-154M service. The TU-154M is stage III compliant, I think. I thought I had heard on this forum that the TU-154M met Stage III rules.

Finally, didn't Transaero serve the US west coast with DC-10-30's at one time?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
AS flew to another Russian Far-east city that I can't pronounce "P-K."

I think it was Irkutsk (IKT).


User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Finally, didn't Transaero serve the US west coast with DC-10-30's at one time?

They did in the mid 90's. I want to say it was service into LAX. We used to sell it wholesale when I was with Jetset.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
The TU-154M is stage III compliant, I think.

Yes it is, here in MUC we still get a good number of those beauties.
If it hadn´t stage 3, in the EU-15 countries it would need a special permission which won´t be issued for scheduled flights.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
The IL96 is based on the IL86 which debuted before the A340--so A340 ripoff isn't too accurate. If a statement like that could be made it would be that the IL86 is an AB3 ripoff--which I don't agree with either.

I agree with you, it isn't an A300 ripoff. The IL86 is FAR too inefficient to be that  Silly

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 10):
They used to do Magadan, Khabarovsk, and Vladivostok. IIRC those flights used to go out pretty full.

At the time, adventure travel was a big thing and they were filling it with young, well off yuppies who wanted a bit of the Siberian wild. They were generally part of big, expensive tour packages. It was on these routes that they really found out the issues the MD-80 has in the cold

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 13):
They did in the mid 90's. I want to say it was service into LAX. We used to sell it wholesale when I was with Jetset.

Yes, Transaero did go to LAX



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

the P-K city you are thinking of is off the kamchatka peninsula. The city, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka. AS used to have flights there from ANC. I don't think Irkutsk was ever served by AS. IRK is about 6 - 7 hours east of the pacific coast. It's very far interior.

SU may drop SEA in the near future, but I see extremely high growth potential with them. Once SU joins Skyteam in March, and they receive their six new IL-96's I think SU may begin service to destinations that dropped. Look for new services to skyteam hubs if anything. According to SU, Aeroflot is a profitable airline, and their passengers carriage is increasing every month.



LH 442
User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Perhaps Aeroflot could fly into Anchorage from Moscow and code-share with AS onwards to LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, PHO, DEN and ORD on their red-eyes'.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

When I was at JFK eons ago, I remember seeing Uzbekistan Airways, Air Ukraine and Kras Air were there.

Does anyone know if Uzbekistan Airways, Aerosvit, etc. still serve JFK?


User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Uzbekistan Airways and Aerosvit still operate there. HY on Thursday and Sunday and VV on Tuesday, Friday, and Saturday.

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 17):
Perhaps Aeroflot could fly into Anchorage from Moscow and code-share with AS onwards to LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, PHO, DEN and ORD on their red-eyes'.

Good point...I know there's a large Russian/Eastern European population that lives in the Willamette Valley south of Portland, so AS/QX would pick up some revenue that way.


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Any idea what the flight time between Moscow and Anchorage is?

User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Perhaps not Aeroflot, but I wouldn't be surprised if air travel between ANC and the Russian far east starts to pick up again over the next few years as oil and gas reserves are developed. As some of you may know, Russia Jet Direct just recently started flying IAH-ANC-UUS (Yuzhno).

Now here's a pipe dream: what if CO started flying to the Russian far east via ANC to connect Houston with the Russian oilfields.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
The IL96 is based on the IL86 which debuted before the A340--so A340 ripoff isn't too accurate. If a statement like that could be made it would be that the IL86 is an AB3 ripoff--

One has four engines, the other two....I don't get it.
Is the IL62 a VC10 ripoff? The TU154 a 727/Trident ripoff?

There's only so many places to put engines.....there's bound to be some similarity in configuration.....taking the analogy one step further into the ridiculous....cannot then all cars be a ripoff of each other since they all have four wheels? or 4-cyl, 6-cyl, 8-cyl engines etc.....



Delete this User
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
SVO-BKK On IL-19 posted Thu Jul 14 2005 20:08:30 by Vasilek
Air And Sea Show 2004- On Speed Channel- NOW! posted Tue Jul 6 2004 00:12:48 by Tjwgrr
Cool Feature On Aeroflot's Website! posted Fri Jun 23 2006 14:56:00 by Noelg
Interesting Note On Aeroflot's Smoking Policy posted Tue Feb 7 2006 02:31:42 by UAL747
What Is Going On At SEA? Stuck In SJC. posted Mon Nov 27 2006 10:06:58 by ASMVPGOLD
Emirates Progress On ICE Entertainment System posted Thu Aug 31 2006 19:17:47 by Aerokiwi
Light Aircraft Crash In Southend On Sea posted Wed Jul 19 2006 19:18:00 by Lapper
Delta Using 767-200s On ATL-SVO Route? posted Wed Jun 7 2006 09:01:51 by Aeroflot777
UA Planning On Re-expanding At SEA? posted Wed Jun 7 2006 04:31:06 by Flybynight
NW Adds One Weekly On NRT-SEA posted Wed May 31 2006 13:09:58 by Carpethead