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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
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Hello, everyone!

Does anyone know if the LAX Observation Deck as reopened to the public yet? It has been closed since 9/11/2001.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Like you said, it has been closed since 9/11 and the paranoid US government hasn't allowed it to reopen, even with an x-ray and body scan


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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Like you said, it has been closed since 9/11 and the paranoid US government hasn't allowed it to reopen, even with an x-ray and body scan

Right, the measures are the opposite of being logic or consequent, what a shame to lose such a great spot for a joke of a reason.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Are you talking about the one above Encounter? Yeah, it was still closed when I was there in June of this year. Man, I was so pissed when I went and had a martini at Encounter before my flight to AKL and started leaving to go up to the observation deck. When I asked a server how to get up there she said "It's been closed since 2001".......sigh, had to waste my time lounging around Tom Bradley instead.

Adam


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3594 times:
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It is such a shame it's still closed, and for no real reason apart from paranoia.

All they need to do is add an x-ray machine and have a bag search and no problem, ok they would have to charge an entry fee to help cover the costs but I think 99% of people, especially spotters, would have no problem with that at all, I know i'd be happy for fork out a few $$ to spend a day spotting from there.



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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Why would they need to add an x-ray machine?

User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8534 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3455 times:
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To check for gun's 'n' stuff just incase some nutter decided to start shooting planes from the Theme building - most unlikely IMHO.


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3400 times:
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I was just curious since it seemed like some of the recent pictures taken at LAX looked like it was from the Observation Deck, unless there is an a.netter that works in the LAX tower.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting Adam T. (Reply 3):
When I asked a server how to get up there she said "It's been closed since 2001".......sigh, had to waste my time lounging around Tom Bradley instead.

Try the T3 parking structure

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
I was just curious since it seemed like some of the recent pictures taken at LAX looked like it was from the Observation Deck, unless there is an a.netter that works in the LAX tower

Most likely taken from the T3 parking structure roof, a very popular place for spotters



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3373 times:
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Do you know if spotters are having police or security problems taking pictures in the parking structure? I know I had police officers pull me aside in the TB terminal in the past.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Do you know if spotters are having police or security problems taking pictures in the parking structure?

The Los Angeles Airport Police and the LAPD are very familiar with spotters, as LAX is one of the most spotter heavy in the world, given its urban location. I have never had a problem with the police at T3 and have been there many times. The biggest problem anyone usually ever has is some snot nosed, 21 year old El Al security guard coming up on the roof while LY is at the gate and acting like they have some sort of power. One has to keep in mind, however, that they are armed. It is usually easy to get them to bug off by just engaging in polite conversation and letting them know you are not intimidated

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
I know I had police officers pull me aside in the TB terminal in the past.

Really? That is surprising



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

I've spotted at LAX on numerous occassions and never had problems with the police. Just be polite and courteous...they understand.

User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Do you know if spotters are having police or security problems taking pictures in the parking structure? I know I had police officers pull me aside in the TB terminal in the past.

I was once sent off by an officer at the parking structure, though I didn't take pictures but did some registration spotting only. He said I should not stay on airport ground for my hobby but move over to places outside. I just went back two days later and unfortunately the same officer showed up again. First he didn't look amused but he asked whether I take picture. I denied and then he said it was ok to stay - "but make sure the tower can't see you", he added.

As usual, it's not the police which actively search for and send spotters off - it's mostly paranoid people who park their cars and think they have just identified a terrorist carrying dangerous weapons such as binoculars. Then they call the police and the game is over.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 12):
"but make sure the tower can't see you",

I am surprised here. ATC usually doesn't give a damn about spotters

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 12):
it's mostly paranoid people who park their cars and think they have just identified a terrorist carrying dangerous weapons such as binoculars.

 rotfl  rotfl 



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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
I am surprised here. ATC usually doesn't give a damn about spotters

Yeah, I was surprised too. Apparently someone from "up there" called the cops on that day. You never now, paranoia is everywhere.


Regards,
JM


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
All they need to do is add an x-ray machine and have a bag search and no problem, ok they would have to charge an entry fee to help cover the costs but I think 99% of people, especially spotters, would have no problem with that at all, I know i'd be happy for fork out a few $$ to spend a day spotting from there.

I'm sure the government would be more than happy to equip and man a security checkpoint solely for spotters to be able to go up on top of Encounter.

Hah.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):
I'm sure the government would be more than happy to equip and man a security checkpoint solely for spotters to be able to go up on top of Encounter.

But what's the point. If someone wanted to shoot at the planes, I'm sure he can find plenty of other spots to do that. Besides, hardly any airport around the world have security checks for the observation deck. I know AMS doesn't have one, and a couple of other airports I've been to. So IF the security check at LAX would deter a would-be terrorist, there are plenty of other airports to go to.



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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 16):
But what's the point. If someone wanted to shoot at the planes, I'm sure he can find plenty of other spots to do that.

Exactly. Terrorists could just fire their stingers or whatever from the fence at IN'N'OUT. There they would be even closer to the planes than on the observation deck.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):
I'm sure the government would be more than happy to equip and man a security checkpoint solely for spotters to be able to go up on top of Encounter.

Hah.

LAWA could charge $5 for a day pass and make money on it

Quoting Kappel (Reply 16):
Besides, hardly any airport around the world have security checks for the observation deck.

FRA did

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 17):
Exactly. Terrorists could just fire their stingers or whatever from the fence at IN'N'OUT. There they would be even closer to the planes than on the observation deck.

Or the Proud Bird, or the 405, or Dockweiler State Beach, etc. People need to get over it



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User currently offlineSouthpaw8669 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 141 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

During Airliners international in July of 04, they opened the observation deck for a few hours. However the observation deck is surrounded by pleksiglass and it was so dirty because it had not been cleaned in 4 years. So picture taking was not the best.


Eric



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Quite a few U.S. airports had really good observation decks (MSY and old ATL come to mind) back in the day, but those disappeared LONG before 9/11. Unfortunately, the U.S. gov't takes a "lowest common denominator" approach to law enforcement.

Instead of screening (and possibly charging an admission fee) and letting approved people get close to the action, they decide just to shut EVERYBODY out. Real smart.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3090 times:
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Ironically enough, the last time I was stopped by the police at TB terminal was during the International Airliners convention in 2004. The cop asked me if I had authority to take pictures. I rebutted by mentioning that I didn't know you couldn't take pictures at LAX in the first place and that I've been taking airplane pictures there for years.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

You asked for it. I've seen it said time and time again on this site: that most of you would gladly trade convenience for "safety". Most of the public doesn't care about the obs deck. The government also knows that not only is actual safety important, but even MORE important is the PERCEPTION of safety. The public figures that the harder and more "strict" security is, the better it must be. Hence the pointless closures.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 22):
Most of the public doesn't care about the obs deck

I disagree. At AMS I frequently see people come up there who were dropping off relatives, or who have to wait for a connection or were just early at check-in and for them too it is a fun way to kill some time. I don't know about the US, but that is my observation here.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3059 times:
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I disagree also. SJC has (or had) an observation deck at terminal 1 and a lot people used to watch their friends and loved ones depart.

25 Psa188 : The SJC deck is still open, and you can take photographs there with no hassle. The deck is at "Terminal C" just before the security checkpoint on the
26 Matt D : Don't misunderstand me. I think that "ticketed passengers only" and closing the obs deck is complete and utter 24 karat bullshit that, other than imag
27 N1120A : It was actually still quite easy to spot at MSY before Katrina as well. The Parking structure was right there.
28 GSPSPOT : It certainly wouldn't hurt if airports would provide appropriate measures to satisfy the "public", and in the bargain, make a little $$ on admission f
29 AirWillie6475 : I had no idea that LAX had an observation deck. But I am going to say to any LAX official that the spotter regulation is ridiculous at LAX. Are we goi
30 AirWillie6475 : Besides, if a terroist was acutaly to shoot the planes or use a weapon, do you think that he would actually go to the observiation place where there a
31 GSPSPOT : That's what I'm talking about when I say "lowest common denominator" - just keep EVERYBODY out, so you don't have to do anything else. Don't even TRY
32 777STL : You're kidding right? Who besides the die-hard airplane geeks are going to pay money to watch airplanes? Especially on top of the Encounter which is
33 KA501 : Can visitors still eat in the staff Canteen at the bottom of the theme building? Used to be fantastic and good value! Going back 5-6 years.
34 N1120A : How so? It is a 5-10 minute walk from anywhere in the airport No clue it even existed. Encounter is definatly not fantastic or a good value Lots on p
35 FutureFO : Actually they will chase you off if you are at the ProudBird. Sean from IND and MCO
36 Silver1SWA : I was once taking pictures of WN planes at terminal one and a HP CSA approached my friend and I and asked if we were taking pictures of the planes. We
37 Adam T. : While not exactly an observation deck perse, there was an observation park just off the airport at CLT that is VERY popular with families and spotter
38 Post contains images Adam T. : Tell me about it....10 dollars for a martini during happy hour.
39 N1120A : I haven't been. Besides, The Proud Bird is private property She was FOS Heh, try buying food.
40 Post contains images Adam T. : I almost did but figured they'd feed me on the Qantas flight...which ended up being pretty good and plus I had already paid for it (with the ticket).
41 Tom in NO : Point of clarification regarding the old MSY observation deck: it was closed prior to my arrival at the airport in 1987. At the time, the area was bei
42 MarshalN : I think the ticketed passengers only makes sense. Most airports in the world have that policy, and in this day and age with additional screening and
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