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India's Alliance Air And The A319?  
User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

The latest issue of WAFN (World Airline Fleets News) shows an A319 allocation to Alliance Air (msn 2593), with no further info available.

What are the plans for Alliance Air - will they lease A319s from the new Indian Airlines order or from another source?


Regards,
JM

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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Quoting JetMaster (Thread starter):
What are the plans for Alliance Air - will they lease A319s from the new Indian Airlines order or from another source?

The 20 or so A319s ordered by IC are for CD, to replace the rusty and smoky 732s. And the GOI has leased some A319s for CDs for the interim, afaik


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

The plans are for four leased A319's to come in by the end of this fiscal year to replace the very old 737-200's which will go into the new cargo business. Of the 20 A319's which are part of the 43-plane order, some ten will go to Alliance - which is IC's single-class airline (not quite a low-cost) that operates into a lot of secondary airports. In certain cases they operate the only flight to those airports.


A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 1):
And the GOI has leased some A319s for CDs for the interim, afaik



Quoting Cricket (Reply 2):
The plans are for four leased A319's to come in by the end of this fiscal year to replace the very old 737-200's which will go into the new cargo business.

So it seems these will be new ones as well.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

New leased planes for CD - quite a change from flying planes older than me. My experiences with hairy CD flights on those 737's are bad enough to give a young man heart attacks. I wonder what paint scheme they'll paint them in.


A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
My experiences with hairy CD flights on those 737's are bad enough to give a young man heart attacks. I

While take-off, the noise beats a 747-200.. the omitted smoke beats the congestion of MAA - however, I love the rides on 'em Big grin


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1045 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

I am really going to miss them. Plan to fly them atleast once before they are phased out. IC is also planning to convert CD into a LCC.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
. I wonder what paint scheme they'll paint them in.

They should really change the color scheme. The present one makes no sense at all. It's worst than the IC livery.



An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Finally CD will get the A319s.The B732s are to be Freighter converted & used at Nagpur based.Any Idea who will carry out the Conversion.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Alliance Air is a wholly owned subsidiary of Indian Airlines, so the utilisation will be done pretty much basis need of the single entity on top. Matter of fact, some of the old B-737-200s with Alliance Air still carry the old Indian Airlines colours.

Route rationalisation, equipment swopping, commercial, the works, is common across IC and CD.

However, expect IC to be much more aggressive on international routes in the very near future. Basic safe airplanes with decent food and plenty of booze, who needs IFE to clog up legroom, especially at the prices they make the market cover?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
Basic safe airplanes with decent food and plenty of booze, who needs IFE to clog up legroom, especially at the prices they make the market cover?

I guess IC will continue to with CD Mx.All the more with A319s.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
I guess IC will continue to with CD Mx.All the more with A319s.

You are right. As I understand most if not all the 319 checks will be at CCU while the 320/321 will be split between DEL/HYD and BOM.

Currently major checks for the A320s are being done at both DEL and HYD, BOM does the A300 checks (and may be 320s as well?) while the 737 checks are done at CCU.

Cheerio


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Some of the A319's will be used in the NE, where CD is very strong (their ATR 42's go at 90% loads) but loses out on cargo revenues (ATR's no space). The ATR's will be sent to feeder routes out of CCU and some more might be acquired for DEL (Kanpur, Dehradun). I believe that CD's great DEL-Jaipur-Jodhpur-Udaipur-BOM flight will continue with the A319. If anyone plans to get a ride on one of those 737-200's do it on that route. I flew to Jodhpur back in Feb 2003 and landing at the airbase (Jodhpur is a forward AB for the IAF) is quite a sight. The place is crawling with MiG-23's and MiG-29's you'll even see some SAM sites. You actually have to taxi through a large tree lined boulevard (a plane down a boulevard!!!!) to get to the civilian terminal which looks like a groteque mix of a Western and Rajasthani castle. Great flight, and I highly recommend it!


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 11):
I flew to Jodhpur back in Feb 2003 and landing at the airbase (Jodhpur is a forward AB for the IAF) is quite a sight.

The Taxi path is a Good View of the Camoflague Equipment & Hangars for the MIGs,between trees until the Civillian Terminal that has a huge Gate.

Quoting TKMCE (Reply 10):
BOM does the A300 checks

Where do the A300s go.Gift.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Where do the A300s go.Gift.

to meet its ex-AI fellows. You know what I mean.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
to meet its ex-AI fellows. You know what I mean

Might just go to Afghanistan rather than scrapyard.  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 14):
Might just go to Afghanistan rather than scrapyard

that's where the ex-AI A300s are. Big grin



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 15):
that's where the ex-AI A300s are

Agreed.I was thinking of the B742s also hence "Scrapyard".
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Some of the Alliancce Air routes with 737s were those which cannot take a 320 right now, including Vizag, Mangalore Agra etc. Can all of these take the 319s?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting TKMCE (Reply 17):
Can all of these take the 319s

Why not.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

I guess you know better,
But Agra, I heard is particularly pathetic. Isnt that why DN pulled out?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Local Airports need to be upgraded soon to cope with this Aviation Boom in the Country.
Including its security & Airport Layout.
Some Airports are a Joke with cattle & Autorickshaws using the Shortcuts & borderfences where the Fences can be overcome by a jump.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePOmnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Agra from Delhi by air does not work simply because road and rail are very fast as well as very frrequent, also much cheaper. Agra airport further suffers from excessive Air Force paratroopers usage, so that delays things too.

More than anything else, beyond the Taj Mahal, that city has nothing to offer. So n overnight halt is just not feasible which is why day return road/rail options work much better.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Quoting POmnath (Reply 21):
So n overnight halt is just not feasible which

Ever heard about Taj in the full moon night....  Smile

but still Agra has the tourist potential for a decent airport and also if it can be connected to Jaipur by air. that should be good as tourists could visit Agra from Del and then fly to jaipur without missing much time on road...


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting POmnath (Reply 21):
Agra from Delhi by air does not work simply because road and rail are very fast as well as very frrequent, also much cheaper

Quite true - however the Shatabdi leaves at 6 in the morning. But if you're going to Agra, cars are really the best choice. You have a lot more flexibility - you can see Fatehpur Sikri on the way as well. Plus - Agra-Jaipur by plane would make you miss Bharatpur Bird Sanctuary - which incidentally this year has a full complement of bird. That said, the Agra-Jaipur road is awful. And if you do overnight - you have some amazing hotels at Agra and Jaipur.
Talking about IAF interference- Delhi airport of late have been suffering major delays thanks to AF exercises while preparing for AF Day.



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Actually Thursday's major delays at DEL were not so much due to Air Force but because "an international airline" (one that sometimes flies with three engines??) did not take back 17 odd passengers who had landed with visa irrefularities. The aircraft was on taxi by the time Immigration Authorities could get ATC to call the aircraft back, and there was some time wasted after that.

That and the subsequent planned shutdown for 2 hours on Thursday 6th caused many flights to miss their outbound and inbound slots.


25 Cricket : What was this visa irregularity business? Did these 17 passengers also make the same mistake that Ricky Martin did when he came to India (assuming Vis
26 Aseem : which one is that KL/NW or TG. SRB did the same when he came to BOM with his A346. Poor fellow had to call PMO and get extra-ordinary permission. rgd
27 Nimish : I'm guessing he's referring to the "World's favourite airline" here - aka BA.
28 Post contains images HAWK21M : Nice way of putting it....Play safe regds MEL
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