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User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3291 times:

Ryanair has sharply criticised the decision by the aviation regulator to grant Dublin Airport Authority a 23% increase in charges. Michael O'Leary has raised the possibility of taking legal action over the issue.

The total cost of Dublin Airport's ten-year extension plan is €1.2bn. This includes the €200m second terminal. The Dublin Airport Authority had requested a 50% increase from €5 to €7.50 per passenger to help fund the development of a second terminal. However, the regulator sanctioned a rise of just over 23%.

Mr O'Leary questioned why passengers should have to pay for new facilities from January when the facilities will not be opened for another two years.
He said the airport authority should sell its foreign assets and close its loss-making hotels to fund expansion.

Who thinks Michael O'Leary may be right here? Anyone that has passed through Dublin Airport knows what a poor job the DAA are doing. Why should the passenger take the hit for their poor managment and useless planning and development? Ten - year expansion plan?! Do they expect us to believe this?! Nothing in Ireland is ever built on time and expect anything to be built around Dublin Airport involving the DAA to take alot longer than 10 years!


aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
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User currently offlineGrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 456 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Mick O'Leary is just a big crybaby, an extra 2.50 euro is nothing extra in an airfare but it is a lot extra to the DAA. Nothing comes for free, not even new airport terminals and if I'm flying off to out of DUB then I think and extra 2.50 euro isn't that much extra compared to the total cost of my flight, the Irish public have become a nation of people with tight pockets, and yes I'm Irish but I'd rather pay an extra fee so that we could get a better airport.

Grimey


User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

I agree that these guys are out of control cheapskates... I paid a rather high fare ($70) to fly STN-MPL last month because I booked late, only to arrive in a driving rainstorm in MPL - RyanAir are so cheap they refuse to pay the jet-bridge fee, so although the jet-bridge was sitting there 20 feet from the aircraft, they made everyone go down the stairs and run through a serious downpour. First time on Ryan Air, and I'll certainly never fly them again unless i get one of their truely cheap fares! I would gladly have paid 2.50 Euro not to get soaked!!!

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 2):
I agree that these guys are out of control cheapskates... I paid a rather high fare ($70) to fly STN-MPL last month because I booked late, only to arrive in a driving rainstorm in MPL - RyanAir are so cheap they refuse to pay the jet-bridge fee, so although the jet-bridge was sitting there 20 feet from the aircraft, they made everyone go down the stairs and run through a serious downpour. First time on Ryan Air, and I'll certainly never fly them again unless i get one of their truely cheap fares! I would gladly have paid 2.50 Euro not to get soaked!!!

For christ sakes stop moaning, $70 is still very cheap. What was the next lowest fare that you could have got on another airline?


O Leary is right to complain. The DAA is a joke and there is no logical reason to give them the job of developing a secong terminal. The following article is from last sundays Sunday Independant newspaper (written before the DAA charge increase was refused):




''No plan B for airport chaos ''

ARE there no bounds to the reach of the bearded brethren?

They wax lyrical on the topic of gay, lesbian and bisexual workers; their hearts bleed for the third world; they lecture business people on low taxes; they pontificate on health and education; they even offer advice on SSIAs! You name it, they are the experts.

Ireland's trade union bosses insist that it is their job to offer solutions in any debate on the shape of Irish society.

Ireland is their oyster. Not my words, but theirs.

Last week the bearded wonders sent all members of the Senate and the Dail a few "briefing papers". The accompanying letter claimed that it was their duty to present "a reasoned analysis of the problems facing Irish society and to posit likely solutions". It even asserted their "mandate and responsibility to articulate the hopes and fears of the 770,000 people we represent".

A sort of government-in-waiting. A silent coup d'etat.

The letter was perfectly timed. Just when I needed it, a bit of guidance on an immediate problem facing Irish society. And a topic over which the bearded ones had direct influence.

So I rang ICTU about the problem of the week; what was the view of the bearded ones on the sudden 50 per cent hike in landing charges facing the 18m travellers passing through Dublin airport every year? Did they approve? Would they lead the charge for their 770,000 members against Aer Rianta's (now the Dublin Airport Authority's) savage increase?

I paused and waited for the predictable outrage.

I was wrong. It never came.

First, there was silence. Then a feeble: "It is not a matter for us. You should ask the Dublin Airport Authority." ICTU took flight.

It must be the only topic on God's earth which is suddenly "not a matter" for ICTU.

There is a simple reason for their cowardice. The unions themselves are largely responsible for the increase.

I had forgotten: Aer Rianta/DAA is their puppet.

As everyone now knows, the shock hike in passenger charges is being imposed to pay for Aer Rianta's second terminal. The bearded wonders are snookered, because it was they who delivered the contract to build the second terminal to the rotten semi-state, now known as the DAA. They murdered the private sector competition through political clout.

Aer Rianta /DAA already runs the first airport slum. The bearded ones were determined to extend the union-dominated semi-state's empire to the second terminal. So Siptu's bearded Jack O'Connor called up Bertie. The Taoiseach backed Jack. The DAA won cabinet approval. The second terminal was annexed for the brethren.

That is how business is done in Ireland.

But the canny Taoiseach always has his ducks in a row - when he finally moves.

Long before the decision on the second terminal was made, he had appointed agreeable guys to the Aer Rianta board.

No better man than Gary McGann, formerly head of semi-state Aer Lingus, was chosen to fit the bill as chairman of Bertie's favourite semi-state. Gary may be a brand new face on the poster but the newly-named DAA is the same rotten, politically controlled semi-state.

Totally coincidentally, Gary doubles as the head of the employers' group IBEC. The limp IBEC has fallen into line with the unions and the government. As always. So the head of IBEC is now the voice of the most rotten of our state monopolies. Both IBEC and ICTU just love monopolies. So does Bertie. All his DAA ducks are in a row.

We always knew where Bertie and the unions stood. But what about the employers? How did the lapdogs feel about the 50 per cent increase in passenger landing charges, the penalty for passing through Gary's slum?

On Thursday, I rang them too, seeking an answer.

Guess what? They went to ground. The spokesman vanished. I caught him three times, but he vaporised. IBEC ran for cover even faster than ICTU.

And why did they funk it? Well, as long as Gary of the DAA doubles as IBEC's boss the lapdogs are in a jam. Presumably they endorse Gary's 50 per cent price penalty on his passengers, even though it will cost their members millions.

Indeed, on Friday I heard that an IBEC council meeting had actually approved the price increases imposed on passengers by its loyal member, the DAA. Even more interesting was the news that President Gary failed to vacate the IBEC chair when it was discussed. Ho Hum.

Sitting on the sidelines - pitted against the higher charges, IBEC and the unions - were two fallen heroes of the airport battle: Michael O'Leary and Ulick McEvaddy. Michael's sin is that he has proved the value of reducing, not raising, charges. Ulick's offence is that he competed against Aer Rianta for the second terminal.

Ulick and Michael must have winced when they heard Gary McGann's surrender to the monopolistic semi-state mindset at a press conference last week. He revealed his impotence when he made a staggering statement.

"There is no plan B," he admitted in answer to a question about the consequences of the aviation regulator refusing his request for a 50 per cent price rise to fund the second terminal. "It is inconceivable that the increase will not be given."

I have news for poor Gary. The regulator is not in the loop.

IBEC, ICTU, the DAA and the Government are all taking aviation regulator Bill Prasifka for granted. They are presuming that he is as anti-consumer as they are.

Which he is not. They could be in for a surprise when Bill presents his verdict.

And then, there will be no plan B.

What a way to run a business. Well, no one ever accused Aer Rianta of being a business. Except poor Gary.

At the same conference Gary had the gall to claim that Aer Rianta's board was "seriously commercial".

"Commercial"? A board seeking to force passengers at the first terminal to subsidise the building of a second terminal by the same rotten semi-state?

"Commercial"? A board that continues to allow the non-commercial Great Southern Hotels to bleed taxpayers? But the Government and unions want them open; so they will continue to totter on.

Gary's board is not "commercial". It is a politically appointed cabal running a monopoly at the whim of politicians, imprisoned by the unions and supported by IBEC. Gary himself is a political nominee.

It has alienated two of the noblest beacons of Irish enterprise, Ulick McEvaddy and Michael O'Leary.

This week Gary McGann celebrates a year in office as chairman of Aer Rianta/DAA.

One year on the car parks are still a semi-state scam; the foreign exchange outlets remain a rip-off; the queues are worse; security breaches have made him a laughing stock; the Great Southern Hotels (untouchable political taboos due to union power) remain in State hands. Gary is going backwards.

A cruel rumour is circulating in business circles. There are two vacancies on the board of National Toll Roads. Gary is favourite for both. No one in Ireland has more success at creating queues out of thin air and then milking the victims.

The second terminal is safe in the bosom of the bearded brethren. The consequence: Dublin Airport will be a shambles for another five years; passenger landing charges will increase; the completion of terminal two will be late.


User currently offlineBassie2010 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Thread starter):
Who thinks Michael O'Leary may be right here? Anyone that has passed through Dublin Airport knows what a poor job the DAA are doing. Why should the passenger take the hit for their poor managment and useless planning and development? Ten - year expansion plan?! Do they expect us to believe this?! Nothing in Ireland is ever built on time and expect anything to be built around Dublin Airport involving the DAA to take alot longer than 10 years!

This is the endless discussion between airlines and airports on airport development. Airlines want to be for what is there, airports want airlines to joint-finance new projects. Although I understand this last philosophy, I don't agree with the method. Airlines are not part of the capital market and airports are using them as such in this way. Airports should finance their new product / services development with either own resources or market capital. If they want airlines as risk sharing parthers, that's fine. But in that case, ask, close deals, do not just raise charges and create animosity with the airline. Or confront the airline with a choice: either we don't do anything at all, or you help solve the issues because it benefits you two.

BTW: for those who think EUR 2.50 is not a lot: think again! Margins in the airline business are very thin (although Ryanair is - have to admit - a very good performer). EUR 2.50 per passenger can make the difference between profit and loss on a route, especially with passengers being extreme price elastic.



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User currently offlineIrishjohn From Russia, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

When we get a Government in Ireland where they have a full sitting majority, and are not dependent on a small number (less than 100) votes in marginal seats, it may be possible that institutions like the DAA and their militant staff and unions will become a thing of the past!

Until that happens we must suffer the embarrassment that is Dublin Airport and we must wait for a real government to ask where has all the money gone!! And maybe even get an answer to the question why Cork Airport, the same size as Liverpool Airport, was permitted to spend 5 times the amount Liverpool spent on it's renovation and Cork has 10% less traffic!

Safe sailing
John


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Gentlemen

Either the passenger pays for new facilities, or the taxpayer pays.

Mr O'Leary never seems to mind wasteful (public) spending when it benefits his airline, through subsidies, very low landing fees etc.

Yes, the DAA is not very good and yes Dublin airport has been let get into an appaling mess. But of course Ryanair would prefer to expand their services, contribute to the 18m passengers a year, not wish to pay for any changes, go to Court, denounce any change / or charge not absolutely in line with their demands - it is all free publicity for FR is it not?

Of course, terminal problems are one thing, access transport a second but the need for a second runway is still being put on the long finger.


User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting Grimey (Reply 1):
Mick O'Leary is just a big crybaby, an extra 2.50 euro is nothing extra in an airfare but it is a lot extra to the DAA

I don't think Michael O'Leary is crying about the extra €2.50 because this will obviously be passed on to the passenger. What he's upset with, and myself included, is the way the DAA have done absolutely nothing over the years to develop the airport for the obvious growth that we all knew was coming. Now all of a sudden the DAA have this magical plan where they're going to build a second runaway, a terminal and other facilities in the airport! And this terminal will come in 4 years!

Everybody in Ireland knows that this terminal will not open in 4 years yet each passenger passing through the airport must pay an extra €2.50 now. They originally wanted an extra 50% off each passenger but their greedy hand was slapped by the regulator who only granted a 23% increase in charges.

Michael O'Leary is right to moan and I'm sure you'll hear other airlines that use Dublin doing the same.



aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

I am no fan of the DAA, or of their predecessor Aer Rianta but much, not all, of the delay is as a direct result of -

1.Government indecision re the future of Dublin Airport facilities.

2. The splitting of Aer Rianta, which ran the three state airports (two loss making and one, DUB profitable) into separate bodies, while attempting to get Dublin users to continue pay for the debts of Shannon and Cork.

In both those loss making or marginally breaking even airports, terminal facilities are or have been expanded by overscale facilities(particularly at SNN, ORK is on the way), while Dublin, the only one expanding consistently and over the long term has had no significant additions to terminal or runway capacity.


User currently offlineIrishjohn From Russia, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Sorry, got to disagree - Dublin Airport is a permanent building site. If it's not one thing it's something else. The only area that DAA has been successful is in the shopping areas - and this to provide income for DAA. At some point in time it will be necessary for DAA to explain where all the funds have gone - especially the money received from car parking and the seriously silly rates that airlines are paying for check in , etc.

Safe sailing
John


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 944 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 6):
Of course, terminal problems are one thing, access transport a second but the need for a second runway is still being put on the long finger

I'm sure that when I was last at DUB (2 years ago) it had 2 runways, in fact I would put a large amount of money on it because while I was watching my friends EI flight taxi out along side 1 runway a Delta aircraft took off from a different direction and caught me by surprise.

Is one of the runways only suitable for smaller aircraft?


User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting Grimey (Reply 1):
Mick O'Leary is just a big crybaby, an extra 2.50 euro is nothing extra in an airfare but it is a lot extra to the DAA. Nothing comes for free, not even new airport terminals and if I'm flying off to out of DUB then I think and extra 2.50 euro isn't that much extra compared to the total cost of my flight, the Irish public have become a nation of people with tight pockets, and yes I'm Irish but I'd rather pay an extra fee so that we could get a better airport.

I've no problem paying an extra €2.50 but I would like something in return. I don't think the Irish have become a nation of tight pockets (the current levels of spending and borrowing in the country prove this!), they are just getting sick of being ripped off. I'll pay the extra fee after the terminal is finished - in 20 odd years.

Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 9):
At some point in time it will be necessary for DAA to explain where all the funds have gone - especially the money received from car parking and the seriously silly rates that airlines are paying for check in , etc.

Couldn't agree with you more...Have the car park charges gone up again to some ridiculous price?



aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2794 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 10):
I'm sure that when I was last at DUB (2 years ago) it had 2 runways, in fact I would put a large amount of money on it because while I was watching my friends EI flight taxi out along side 1 runway a Delta aircraft took off from a different direction and caught me by surprise.

Is one of the runways only suitable for smaller aircraft?

The link below provides a good overview of Dublin Airport.

http://www.dublin-airport.com/AR_Dub...asp?strPage_Name=DN_Rexistingphoto


Dublin has 3 runways - the main runway is 28/10 (2,637m long) - this can be seen at the bottom of the picture. The second runway is 16/34 (2,073m long) - this crosses the picture from the top left to the bottom right. Only really used because of wind direction as its a bit tight for the larger aircraft. The third runway 11/29 (1,356m long) - runs parallel to 28/10 on the top of the picture which is only used for light aircraft such as Aer Arann ATRs and private aircraft.

Also note the old main runway which can still be seen running across the field from the top right to the bottom left.



aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2783 times:

I know that FR only pays the standard tariff at one airport on their network. The rest of its routes operate at very deep airport discounts. Any rise in standard tariffs at any airport is purely academic for FR.

User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2783 times:

This link shows where the DAA are planning on putting the proposed second runway

http://www.dublin-airport.com/AR_Dub...asp?strPage_Name=DN_Rproposedphoto

Already it has recieved 80 objections which will slow the process down even more - mainly noise pollution concerns. The DAA are expected to lodge a planning application this week. The proposed new runway will be located 1.7km north of the airport's existing main runway. It will replace the existing short runway and will be built on land already owned by the airport. It will be 3,110 metres long and 60 metres wide and will be connected to the existing complex by a series of taxiways. It is estimated that the new runway will cost over €130m. The DAA said the runway would be built on land already owned by the airport.

It is interesting to note that plans for a parallel runway have been incorporated in the Fingal County Development Plan (local council) since the early 1970s! Proves that Aer Rianta(DAA) are useless!



aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2768 times:

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 2):
I would gladly have paid 2.50 Euro not to get soaked!!!

You're not made from sugar. You won't melt, don't worry...



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 944 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 12):
The link below provides a good overview of Dublin Airport.

http://www.dublin-airport.com/AR_Dub...photo

Thanks Shamrocka330, that's great. I can now picture the day I was talking about. I was watching from the terminal as a series of B737's and the like took off from runway 16/34 (in the 16 direction). The next aircraft was the Delta one which appeared from the left, taking off on 28/10 in the 10 direction.

Given that these 2 runways appear to end where they both meet, I guess you can't clear an aircraft to land on one whilst one is taking off from the other, and vice versa.


User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 2):
RyanAir are so cheap they refuse to pay the jet-bridge fee, so although the jet-bridge was sitting there 20 feet from the aircraft, they made everyone go down the stairs and run through a serious downpour.

FR don't use jetbridges as it would mean using just one exit and increase turnaround times.

Besides, that empty jetbridge you saw could have been out of service or another aircraft may have been due to come on stand there.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2647 times:

Personally I always prefer to walk up the steps of an aircraft anway.

Their success in airport retail around Europe shows that the only thing aer rianta have ever been good at is charging people to walk through their 3rd world slum of an airport.

Have they now removed the central island on the departures drop off bay outside the main entrance?. I was there last week and it was like steping out of the car in the middle of a motorway. And do you think I could find an empty parking space in the short term park? Not a chance.

[Edited 2005-10-02 19:24:26]

User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
Have they now removed the central island on the departures drop off bay outside the main entrance?. I was there last week and it was like steping out of the car in the middle of a motorway.

Yes, unfortunately it's been like that for the last few months. How it ever got approval and how it meets health and safety criteria makes the mind boggle. If getting off in the third lane doesn't kill you then one of the prats in Mercs that fly through the pedestrian crossing will...


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting Billy (Reply 13):
I know that FR only pays the standard tariff at one airport on their network. The rest of its routes operate at very deep airport discounts. Any rise in standard tariffs at any airport is purely academic for FR.

I have a feeling this airport may be EDI?



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User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
Have they now removed the central island on the departures drop off bay outside the main entrance?. I was there last week and it was like steping out of the car in the middle of a motorway. And do you think I could find an empty parking space in the short term park? Not a chance.

Central Island? Probably removed it to fit in more of their rip off taxi friends... As for the car park...absolute shite. An average car won't even fit in the spaces because they're too small. If you do manage to fit your car in you won't be able to open the door! And your guaranteed to have dents on your car when you return! And this wonderful experience doesn't come cheap!
Anyone noticed the amount of abandoned cars in the car park some with layers of dust on them and lovely graffiti!



aka thebigjd (member since Sept 2001)
User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 21):
Anyone noticed the amount of abandoned cars in the car park some with layers of dust on them and lovely graffiti!

I'm surprised the DAA haven't copped on to this dumping as they're losing revenue. The staff car park over by the Great Southern has cars with weeds and shrubbery growing around them. Are maybe these people are just married to their job?  Smile


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting Shamrocka330 (Reply 21):
Central Island? Probably removed it to fit in more of their rip off taxi friends...

But this is the departures level where people are deposited, not collected. Taxi bay is at arrivals level below. I dread to imagine what this will all be like with a second terminal next to it and another extension to the existing terminal.


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

GKirk,

No, FR get no deal at LGW. And they hate it but it is an important airport to beat up EI (albeit they are in LHR) and EZY.


25 Post contains images Gkirk : Interesting, thanks for that Billy
26 Richardw : So not much chance of FR flights from CIA, GRO, PSA, BGY into LGW then?
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