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Odd Landing At DCA...  
User currently offlineTranStar From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 530 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3920 times:
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I flew DFW to DCA on US Airways Express EMB-170 on Tuesday evening. We initially came in for a northern approach but then switched to a southern approach. Having landed at DCA quite a number of times, I am very familiar with the typical use of the long runway at DCA for jets.

However, as we came over the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, I noticed that we were paralleling the main runway instead of coming in for a straight approach. We passed the Southern end of the long runway only to bank left quite dramatically and then enter a steep descent onto one of shorter criss crossing runways.

The final approach and landing ended up being nerve wracking. Landing was very rough and the pilot hit the brakes, spoilers, and reverse thrusts with full force, causing items to fly forward in the cabin. Captain did not say anything during Taxi to indicate why we had engaged in such a small approach.

I have seen turboprops using these criss-cross runways, but never a regional jet.

What led to this odd landing? Or is this normal for US Airways Express.

TranStar

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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

It is becoming normal to use the cross runway for RJ service, particularly USXP, as it runs right into their RJ parking area at Gate 35A.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

I have landed on the cross runway in full size jets, as well.

N


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Landings on that runway are usually exciting. I was coming in once on Braniff (2) and I thought the wingtip was about to hit the water. On another landing (Eastern, I believe) I was sure we were going to hit the barrier at the end of the runway.

It would be nice to have another N/S runway, but that's a posting for another time.



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User currently offlinePotomac From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

it's not uncommon for RJs, turboprops, and even some mainline aircraft to land on 33 (as opposed to 1) at DCA, mostly to accomodate other traffic on 1 or 4, and sometimes out of 'convenience' for the taxi to the gate (not that landing on 1 would have resulted in a much longer taxi).

i landed on 33 once on a UA 757 from ORD. talk about a carrier landing! at just under 5300 ft, we stopped quick and hard - one of those landings where you can actually hear the items in the overhead "shifting during flight" as they slide forward.

i've also seen E-170's and even A319s/A320s take off on 15 and then turn left headed up the anacostai river for a shorter departure routing for destinations in the northeast.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting TranStar (Thread starter):
I have seen turboprops using these criss-cross runways, but never a regional jet.

Well, there's virtually no turboprop service left at DCA. Guess someone has to use the shorter runway.

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 1):
It is becoming normal to use the cross runway for RJ service, particularly USXP, as it runs right into their RJ parking area at Gate 35A.

The EMB-170s park at regular gates at the terminal.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
The EMB-170s park at regular gates at the terminal.

You gonna point out what that has to do with their other RJs parking in the RJ lot, honey?

N


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
You gonna point out what that has to do with their other RJs parking in the RJ lot, honey?

Nothing, dear, just making it clear that ease of parking in the RJ lot was not the reason for the choice of runway for the OP's EMB-170 flight.



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User currently offlineTomindc From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

I've had many a landing on those cross runways over the years but not many take-offs. Mainline jets and RJs. etc.

Seems to be pretty normal.....


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
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I spot out there a lot, and its pretty common to see RJs land on the cross runways. Generally you wont see anything bigger than an A319 landing there, but I have seen it.... and yes, it does look like it would be a fun / interesting landing, some of them are pretty 'hairy' as they do have to make a last minute turn into the runway, and there is little room for mistakes! Whats fun is watching the Larger 'buses T/O on 15, they use up every bit of the runway....kind of like the MD-80s on a hot summer day on Rwy 1/18!

But thats sort of the same as Landing on Rwy 18 at DCA. Last time I landed at DCA (an AA 738), the pilot had a really rough time aligning the plane with the runway. He overdid the right turn and then we had to do a left turn immediately after to correct it. We landed late on the runway, b/c he was trying to correct the landing.... and consequently landed hard on the left gear first. Then we did one of those gut-wrenching reverse thrust / brake action stops.  Smile DCA is lots of fun!! Thats why Pilots in the US rated the approaches to DCA as the hardest in the nation (the Potomac River / RWY 18 Approach)!

-AA777


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Sounds like a "Circle to land" on runway 33. Where controllers initial the pilot to land on runway 1 then on the very last of the final approach, the controller decide to request the pilot to "circle to land." Usually occur to crosswind situation which is very common to see for RJs, Airbus A319/320s, 737s, DC-9, and even some larger jets. It's not really an odd landing approach, it occurs very frequently.

Quoting AA777 (Reply 10):
But thats sort of the same as Landing on Rwy 18 at DCA.

Let me educate you. The main runway at DCA is 1/19, not 18.  

Kevin

[Edited 2005-10-01 09:56:37]

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
The EMB-170s park at regular gates at the terminal.

I'm aware of that. I honestly don't consider the E170 to be an RJ.


User currently offlineN323ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

GoCaps16 that sounds the logical to me they may have been traffic ahead of the 170 that was not spaced just right and twr gave them to option the side track and circle to the other runway. Just thought

RYAN

RIACREW



RYAN SCAIFE
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