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Cargo Loads On CO B757 Europe Flights?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3706 times:

Hi all,

well we discussed a lot the B757 routes operated by CO from EWR to Europe.

On question regarding this, are they co-loading freight on this routes?

I could imagine no, as they have often problems on the routes for example on the TXL flights to get nonstop to EWR from TXL + I never noticed any marketing on this flights from CO regarding cargo here in Germany.

I could imagine that they have embargos on the flights (maybe a little space for express freight...)?

Interesting to hear your information.

regards
Avianca


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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

This came up in a thread about the CLE-LGW flight, which isn't the longest (and not as long as HAM or TXL), but is certainly longer than most of the CO transatlantic 757 flights. A CLE CO employee said that they had good cargo loads, to which I asked how much cargo can you get on a fully loaded 757 bound for Europe, to which he said he had loaded as much as 7000lb. So apparently they can get some cargo.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 1):
A CLE CO employee said that they had good cargo loads, to which I asked how much cargo can you get on a fully loaded 757 bound for Europe, to which he said he had loaded as much as 7000lb

wow this sounds pritty much thats 3000kgs ...



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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Indeed that's what I though. Maybe that was in the winter (when it was still running in the winter) when there were hardly any passengers on board. But anyway here's the thread:

Huge Drop In CLE-LGW Traffic (by MasseyBrown Sep 21 2005 in Civil Aviation)

And here's what was said:

Quoting CLE757:
Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 12):
How much freight can you put on a mostly loaded 752 flying just shy of its max range?

I've loaded as much as 7,000 lbs on that flight.



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User currently offlineYhz78 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

I know the range is not the same but in the 90's when FI was serving YHZ we used to send that bird to KEF full pax and absolutely jammed with every sort of cargo imaginable. I remember log home kits, boxes upon boxes of lobster, snowmobiles, 75 50 pound bags of sand(don't ask cuz I have no idea why), and bags jammed full of a weeks worth of shopping and definately qualifying as overweight and then some. There were some nights where you wouldn't be able to squeeze a fart in any of the cargo compartments they were so fully loaded, and we never heard even a peep about W&B problems. So I imagine a B757 with a respectable load could have no problem going CLE-LGW or EWR-TXL. God I loved working those tough old birds!


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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

the loads are next to nothing...the only 757 flight with frt is BHX...and any of the heavy frt gets sent either via MAN or LGW on the wide bodies...95% of the frt going to Europe is wide body type and unsuitable for the 757...HAM,EDI,TXL,ARN get hardly anything...

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting Yhz78 (Reply 4):
know the range is not the same but in the 90's when FI was serving YHZ we used to send that bird to KEF full pax and absolutely jammed with every sort of cargo imaginable

YHZ-KEF is nearly the half of the way or?

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 5):
the loads are next to nothing...the only 757 flight with frt is BHX...and any of the heavy frt gets sent either via MAN or LGW on the wide bodies...95% of the frt going to Europe is wide body type and unsuitable for the 757...HAM,EDI,TXL,ARN get hardly anything...

thanx for the info, this is what I though....

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

In the days when CO used general sales agents in the UK for cargo they used to allow up to 2 tonnes of loose-loaded stuff on board. Finding freight agents who had that quantity in loose-loaded (non-containerised) form was the hard bit. Ineviatbly the stuff ended going by truck to stations with widebody capacity.

User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 1):
A CLE CO employee said that they had good cargo loads, to which I asked how much cargo can you get on a fully loaded 757 bound for Europe, to which he said he had loaded as much as 7000lb

wow this sounds pritty much thats 3000kgs ...

maybe from CLE...but not out of EWR...frankly there is too much widebody lift over the North Atlantic from NYC to major hubs that can truck to these secondary cities for there to be too much demand for non-stop narrow body service from EWR/JFK...besides the restrictions on the type and weight per piece for the 757 limits the flexibility of the freight forwarder, who will just route it on a widebody....


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 8):
besides the restrictions on the type and weight per piece for the 757 limits the flexibility of the freight forwarder, who will just route it on a widebody....

yes thats true... I can imagine that CO only loaded express cargo (Quick Pack product) on the B757 routes?

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
yes thats true... I can imagine that CO only loaded express cargo (Quick Pack product) on the B757 routes?

regards
Avianca

]pretty much...some mail...but really very little...if the flights are to make money its going to be from passenger revenue...we (cargo) won't be able to save it...not like EWR/GIG for instance...when we had it...


User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

CLE sends most of its International freight via truck to EWR,DTW and JFK due to no widebodys in CLE.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 11):
CLE sends most of its International freight via truck to EWR,DTW and JFK due to no widebodys in CLE.

I am not sure if AC is the moment still a strong cargo player in CLE.

2 years ago, they moved allot inbound and outbound freight from CLE, but I think they stoped the regular truck-service, and are only offering CLE as a ad-hoc station.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

We still send at least two trucks per-day to EWR.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 13):
We still send at least two trucks per-day to EWR.

Yes CO Cargo is strong to CLE from Europe. But it seems they have sometimes conecting problems in EWR (is the truck route EWR-CLE underserved?)



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