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Delta Vs. American At BOS  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

What airline is bigger at Boston: American/AE or Delta/DCi?? I know its American but why did DL cut back some flights and destinations?? I also know DL has its shuttle operation in BOS, and AE has "frequent departures". But where does DL including (DCI and Song) fly to from Boston and where does AA (including AE) fly to from there?? Also why does DL have their own terminal there when they underuse it?? also what does US Airways have going on there?? I think its one of their focus cities.

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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

Delta: Atlanta, Bermuda, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Nassau (starts Dec.17th 2005), Orlando, Salt Lake City

Chautauqua Airlines: (Columbus)

Comair: (Baltimore/Washington (starts Dec. 1), Bangor, Burlington, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Fredericton, Greensboro, Halifax, Jacksonville, Myrtle Beach, New York/JFK, Norfolk, Portland (ME), Raleigh/Durham, Washington/Reagan)

Delta Shuttle: (New York/LaGuardia)

Song: (Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Orlando, San Francisco, Tampa, West Palm Beach)


User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

American: Aruba, Cancun, Chicago/O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, Fort Lauderdale, London/Heathrow, Los Angeles, Manchester (UK), Miami, New Orleans, Orlando, Paris/CDG, Providenciales, San Diego, San Francisco, San Juan, Santo Domingo, Shannon, St. Louis, St. Thomas, West Palm Beach

American Eagle: Baltimore/Washington, Bangor, Columbus, Halifax, Montreal - ends soon, New York/JFK, New York/LaGuardia, Newark, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, St. Louis, Toronto, Washington/Reagan


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

can remember when DL was using the B767-300 on the JFK-BOS flights...
I used the flight once, the flight was full with passengers coming from SEL on KE.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

DL is the largest carrier at BOS by passengers carried. DL's numbers should continue to increase with new service to Nassau starting soon, and service to LAX and SFO recently commencing.

As for your question about DL having their own terminal, when originally planned, DL planned to have a much larger operation at BOS, with service to LGW, FCO, and other destinations. Unfortunately 9/11 happened and other things.

Jeremy


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting Sebwhite (Reply 2):
American: Aruba, Cancun, Chicago/O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, Fort Lauderdale, London/Heathrow, Los Angeles, Manchester (UK), Miami, New Orleans, Orlando, Paris/CDG, Providenciales, San Diego, San Francisco, San Juan, Santo Domingo, Shannon, St. Louis, St. Thomas, West Palm Beach

American Eagle: Baltimore/Washington, Bangor, Columbus, Halifax, Montreal - ends soon, New York/JFK, New York/LaGuardia, Newark, Raleigh/Durham, Richmond, St. Louis, Toronto, Washington/Reagan

American Airlines and American Eagle no longer fliy from Boston to Fort Lauderdale, Halifax, New Orleans, Richmond, and West Palm Beach.



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User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 4):
DL is the largest carrier at BOS by passengers carried. DL's numbers should continue to increase with new service to Nassau starting soon, and service to LAX and SFO recently commencing.

As for your question about DL having their own terminal, when originally planned, DL planned to have a much larger operation at BOS, with service to LGW, FCO, and other destinations. Unfortunately 9/11 happened and other things.

There was an article in the Boston Globe on DL and thier new terminal A, DL is thinking aboug cutting back on some deomestic service and focusing on international service.


I have not been in the new Terminal A, but I have heard that is very nice, Terminal B, where AA is, is not to great, more on the awful side.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 4):
DL's numbers should continue to increase with new service to Nassau starting soon,

A Saturday-only flight to Nassau is hardly going to give a jump in Delta's numbers. Delta is ending flights at BOS too, like one daily to Fredricton and both daily flights to Burlington.



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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting Sebwhite (Reply 1):
Nassau (starts Dec.17th 2005)

What aircraft type will be used?


User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Delta is ending flights at BOS too, like one daily to Fredricton and both daily flights to Burlington.

I dont look at DL canceling simple regional flights as a bad thing.


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 6):
I have not been in the new Terminal A, but I have heard that is very nice, Terminal B, where AA is, is not to great, more on the awful side.

Unfortunately most of Logan is in pretty bad shape, except the DL terminal and the interntional one. It's sad really, but I suppose the money just isn't there.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 10):
Unfortunately most of Logan is in pretty bad shape, except the DL terminal and the interntional one. It's sad really, but I suppose the money just isn't there.

No, it's not really a case of money. Massport has plenty of that. It's beause Massport is quite possibly the worst-run, quasi-public agency in the country. I've heard bad things out of Miami but I don't think even that matches how bad Massport is. Massport is the agency where any high-profile, political figures put their brother's best friend's neighbour.

In the case of AA, it was a matter of money. AA had announced to great fanfare the renovation and expansion of their side of Terminal B. Then 11 September happened and they couldn't afford the project (some would argue they couldn't afford the JFK project either, but they were locked into that one). Likewise, DL was locked into the BOS project and their JFK plans got shelved. Though AA have taken over the Amelia Earhart terminal at South Cargo for a lot of their Eagle ops, though I believe that building will be gone with the construction of Runway 14/32 going ahead.

Even Terminal E (the IAB) is a mess. $300 million dollars have been dropped into the terminal yet all we've got is a new check-in hall that hasn't been built for expansion. So any airline wishing to add a flight involving check-in between 1400-1900...good luck. Oh, but that's not a big concern when there aren't even gates available. I know in Europe and Asia it's common to have hardstand boardings and de-planings but BOS hasn't been set up for that (at least not yet) and only when there's no other option (including sitting on the ramp for up to 30 minutes waiting for a gate to open) will a plane taxi into North Cargo and turn-around there.

Don't get me wrong, the check-in hall is gorgeous. Extremely open and airy, abundunt natural light, etc but they haven't even renovated the airside yet, which is pretty nasty. Around 1700 at the western end of the terminal by gates 7 and 8 there are about 700 people every day because Air France, Alitalia, and British Airways all have flights departing within an hour. From what I've heard it's reminiscent of Mumbai. I won't even go into the ramp operations either.

All I'm saying is that Massport comes out with these elaborate plans and then scales them back til it's nothing like it was planned to be. Massport want Logan to be a major international player but just aren't prepared to spend the money to do it. BOS is a pretty good airport in terms of size. It's manageable, and offers lots of a flights to places people want to go, but at the end of the day the facilities that are common the world over are just not to be found here. It's sad, and hopefully that will be rectified but I doubt it, at least not with Massport and it's abundant red tape still in charge.

LH423



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 11):
In the case of AA, it was a matter of money. AA had announced to great fanfare the renovation and expansion of their side of Terminal B.

This is true. Prior to 9/11, AA was planning on building an extension on to Terminal B, out to meet the point at the tip of USAirways' end of Terminal B. They were going to have their own International Arrivals area over in B, and move their LHR/CDG arrivals to its own terminal. The terrorist attacks, however, put that on hold.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

With its spankin new Terminal A which I have passed through, DL definitely has the potential to be BOS number 1 carrier in all aspects. I wish they would make it happen already. AA is a very aggressive competitor and seem more committied to mainline service than DL....time will tell.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 13):
AA is a very aggressive competitor and seem more committied to mainline service than DL....time will tell.

I agree. AA seems a bit more committed to mainline service at BOS than DL, but DL has a lead in regional routes, linking BOS with cities like YFC and YHZ that I think Eagle could have flown successfully had they stuck it out at BOS.


User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
They were going to have their own International Arrivals area over in B, and move their LHR/CDG arrivals to its own terminal. The terrorist attacks, however, put that on hold.

Would have Massport allowed AA to have their own customs facility in B?



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 15):
Would have Massport allowed AA to have their own customs facility in B?

Yep. The plans were all finalized and set to go, and then 9/11 happened.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 14):
I agree. AA seems a bit more committed to mainline service at BOS than DL, but DL has a lead in regional routes, linking BOS with cities like YFC and YHZ that I think Eagle could have flown successfully had they stuck it out at BOS.

I disagree. DL operates mainline service from BOS to ATL, CVG, SLC, MCO, TPA, RSW, FLL, PBI, LGA, LAS, LAX, SFO, and BDA. With their new schedule effective in December, BOS-DCA also gains a few mainline flights, though these are still tentative. They are also starting BOS-NAS and have applied for BOS-CUN. Adding regional services DL serves BOS from YHZ, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV, JFK, DCA, ORF, CVG, CMH, RDU, GSO, JAX, with service soon starting to BWI.

AA seems to have an equal commitment, offering mainline service from BOS to CDG, DFW, LAX, LHR, MAN, MCO, MIA, ORD, SAN, SDQ, SFO, SJU, SNN, and STL. Recent routes which have lost BOS mainline service include SEA, LAS, FLL, BDA, BNA, and RDU. I don't see this as any bigger of a commitment. Adding Eagle AA serves BOS to BGR, BWI, CMH, DCA, EWR, JFK, LGA, RDU, STL, YUL, and YYZ.

Jeremy

Jeremy


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
disagree. DL operates mainline service from BOS to ATL, CVG, SLC, MCO, TPA, RSW, FLL, PBI, LGA, LAS, LAX, SFO, and BDA. With their new schedule effective in December, BOS-DCA also gains a few mainline flights, though these are still tentative. They are also starting BOS-NAS and have applied for BOS-CUN. Adding regional services DL serves BOS from YHZ, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV, JFK, DCA, ORF, CVG, CMH, RDU, GSO, JAX, with service soon starting to BWI.

AA seems to have an equal commitment, offering mainline service from BOS to CDG, DFW, LAX, LHR, MAN, MCO, MIA, ORD, SAN, SDQ, SFO, SJU, SNN, and STL. Recent routes which have lost BOS mainline service include SEA, LAS, FLL, BDA, BNA, and RDU. I don't see this as any bigger of a commitment. Adding Eagle AA serves BOS to BGR, BWI, CMH, DCA, EWR, JFK, LGA, RDU, STL, YUL, and YYZ.

I stand corrected....Im not that familiar with all the markets served and with what equipment from BOS, thus I said AA "seems" more committed to mainline service. And in general terms, I still maintain that they are. DL is RJ crazy. It is a well known fact that the DL Conx operation is the biggest of its kind in the US.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 18):
I stand corrected....Im not that familiar with all the markets served and with what equipment from BOS, thus I said AA "seems" more committed to mainline service. And in general terms, I still maintain that they are. DL is RJ crazy. It is a well known fact that the DL Conx operation is the biggest of its kind in the US.

So what, that's not what was previously said. It should be recognized that AA Eagle is actually more prevalent at BOS than DL Connection is. DL Connection is the largest regional carrier (albeit a number of carriers), not at BOS they are smaller than AA Eagle.

Jeremy


User currently offlineIslandboy From Bahamas, joined Dec 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
I disagree. DL operates mainline service from BOS to ATL, CVG, SLC, MCO, TPA, RSW, FLL, PBI, LGA, LAS, LAX, SFO, and BDA. With their new schedule effective in December, BOS-DCA also gains a few mainline flights, though these are still tentative. They are also starting BOS-NAS and have applied for BOS-CUN. Adding regional services DL serves BOS from YHZ, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV, JFK, DCA, ORF, CVG, CMH, RDU, GSO, JAX, with service soon starting to BWI.

Isnt BOS-NAS a Saturday only service on a B733?



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Thread starter):
also what does US Airways have going on there?? I think its one of their focus cities.

US Airways operates the most total frequencies at BOS, the most mainline frequencies at BOS, and the most destinations at BOS. I think right now they even have the most seats at BOS, which is the first time that's happened in a good while. They don't carry quite as many pax, though, as AA or DL, due to a lower average size of aircraft (thanks to their using props instead of all RJs) and a higher reliance on the lower load factor Shuttle markets.

US Airways: Aruba, Bermuda, Charlotte, Cancun, Fort Lauderdale, Las Vegas, Montego Bay, Nassau, New York/LaGuardia, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, San Juan, Washington/Reagan

US Airways Express: Albany, Augusta, Bar Harbor, Buffalo, Charleston, Harrisburg, Indianapolis, Islip, Myrtle Beach, Nantucket, Presque Isle, Richmond, Rochester, Rockland, Savannah, Syracuse, White Plains

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 15):
Would have Massport allowed AA to have their own customs facility in B?

It was to be shared by AA and US, and to connect to both carriers' gates in Terminal B.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 19):
So what, that's not what was previously said. It should be recognized that AA Eagle is actually more prevalent at BOS than DL Connection is. DL Connection is the largest regional carrier (albeit a number of carriers), not at BOS they are smaller than AA Eagle.

I stated that I was incorrect with respect to the specifics of BOS. I went on to say in GENERAL terms that AA was more mainline oriented. No need to continue to split hairs when I admitted to being wrong.



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User currently offlineAirlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

I also think that USAirways has the most frequencies at BOS. I was there on thursday 09/29th and the US side of teminal B was full with travelers. Lots of mainline, express and shuttle. I was just sitting inside the teminal and enjoyed seeing those US birds outside. I saw lots of DL and AA birds too but I do think US has more frequencies though.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Are the Canada routes that DL serves from BOS, BOS only routes or are the served from other hubs as well?

Also I dont want to start a whole othe rthread about this but who is bigger at JFK?? DL/DCI/Song or AA/AE??



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25 MAH4546 : Halifax and Fredricton are served by Delta only from Boston.
26 DAL767400ER : DL serves both YFC and YHZ only from BOS, plus they are the only carrier in general to offer transborder service to YFC. Going by the number of daily
27 N1120A : With both DLC and AC on the YHZ route, a third carrier would have a hard time making a go of it LAX, SFO, MCO, PBI, RSW, TPA, LAS, and FLL are not te
28 Commavia : Read what I said -- "I think Eagle could have flown successfully had they stuck it out at BOS." I surely recognize what you are saying and agree with
29 SESGDL : Those are technically mainline. Whether you like it or not Song is owned and operated by DL with mainline aircraft and mainline B757-200 pilots. Jere
30 TinPusher007 : True...but BOS-DCA-BOS has not been flown with Shuttle a/c for some years now. Comair took over the route shortly after DL started it. Moreover, DL d
31 RobertS975 : I believe that routes such as the DL Connection to YFC is a subsidized route, and what often happens is that once the "travel bank" money disappears,
32 Post contains images USADreamliner : Who wants to fly American anyway?? Please... GO DELTA!!! USADreamliner
33 BigGSFO : Apparently a lot more people since AA generally commands the higher yielding crowd and is not flip-flopping in bankruptcy like a fish out of water ga
34 LH423 : Yes, BOS-YFC is subsidised. I forget who. It's either the city of Fredericton or the government of New Brunswick, though I'd imagine that there has t
35 SHUPirate1 : For what it's worth, flights and frequencies for both American/Eagle and Delta/Connection from Boston, Massachusetts, for tommorrow, October 5, 2005:
36 Ckfred : I've been through AA at Terminal B a number of times, and I don't think it is that bad. Now, before AMR bought Business Express, that part of Terminal
37 MAH4546 : Just to note, however, that both airlines operate quite reduced schedules in October to allow for more planes to go into maintence (i.e. AA's 6th dai
38 N1120A : I realize what Song is, but most times people make the distinction. Same with UA/Ted. Ted is mainline A319/A320 pilots and mainline aircraft, but is
39 BOSPMV : Some of the air craft used on these routes is not always the case. For example, I have flown to CVG on DL a few times and I flew on a 752. I have als
40 Post contains images Gkirk : Err....? If you know, why ask?
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