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Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost  
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1832 times:

According to plans and press releases, Aeropostal Alas de Centroamerica seems to go the LCC way now.
And again, there is a date to start. Now it's October 2005. Great they mention the year this time as well, not only the month ! Otherwise I would have speculated that they mean 2007 as they already wanted to start in May 2004.

They have now purchased a LCC reservation system: "R@N.One". I NEVER heard anything about that system. I just know Navitaire, AirKiosk and Radixx.

http://www.ambosmedios.com/releases/2005/9/prweb292199.htm

Does anybody have more information about who else uses R@N.One ?! The website shows the customer section still "under construction".

Does anybody have more information about the start of operation ? Routes etc. ?

I know they will be using state-of-the-art DC9-21 and a MD83. The DC9 is already painted and there is also a website www.aeroposta.co.cr (under construction).

[Edited 2005-10-01 22:32:43]

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1821 times:

HI Chiguire,

thanks for the information!

So they will operate totally indipendent from Aeropostal Venezuela? Or will Aeropostal Venezuela also goes the way of a LCC?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
So they will operate totally independent from Aeropostal Venezuela? Or will Aeropostal Venezuela also goes the way of a LCC?

Well, that's the question of the year !
I think they will go LCC. But this is only a speculation knowing Mr. Ramiz.
He hates travel agencies and prefers to sell as much directly as possible. Just look at their online fares they already have today:
Caracas - Porlamar: Online 90 $ plus 11 $ Taxes (roudtrip) and in the travel agencies: 180$ plus taxes.

But there is one thing against it: "Ley de aviacion civil". This new law regulates airfares. Different fares need to be approved from case to case and are only allowed to vary from -20% to +10% from the fixed ones.

Making LCC on domestic services would mean an aggressive price policy starting at - let's say - 9 $ oneway for domestic sectors. This is impossible with this new law.


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Thread starter):
I know they will be using state-of-the-art DC9-21 and a MD83. The DC9 is already painted and there is also a website www.aeroposta.co.cr (under construction).

They start-up with only one DC-9-21 (TI-AZS, MSN ???).


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The MD-82 (YV-02C, MSN 48067) was just in Costa Rica (Alajuela) for painting into the new colors.


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But this airline would be the first LCC in Latinamerica outside Brasil and Mexico, right?


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
The MD-82 (YV-02C, MSN 48067) was just in Costa Rica (Alajuela) for painting into the new colors.

I think 02C was just there for maintanance. I saw it in full VH colours on 25 Sept. in CCS. I think the MD8x they put to SJU would be a "new" none, not one from Venezuela as they are replacing the whole DC9 fleet there. So there is no sense in first painting them in VH colours and then flying them to SJU.

Another thing off-topic: viasa - do you know where YV-13T comes from ? This is another MD8x I saw in CCS on 25th.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
But this airline would be the first LCC in Latinamerica outside Brasil and Mexico, right?

As far as I know, yes !


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 4):
Another thing off-topic: viasa - do you know where YV-13T comes from ? This is another MD8x I saw in CCS on 25th.

The registration of this aircraft is YV138T. I think its only a write error. All other commercial used aircrafts in Venezuela has registration with a "C" at the end. Or do Aeropostal switch all aircrafts from YV-xxC to YVxxT ?

Here is a picture of this aircraft:
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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 5):
The registration of this aircraft is YV138T. I think its only a write error. All other commercial used aircrafts in Venezuela has registration with a "C" at the end. Or do Aeropostal switch all aircrafts from YV-xxC to YVxxT ?

This was the strange thing ! There was even another one with "T" reg. I don't remember, but I think it was a 732 from Rutaca with a "T" reg.
And it was definetly YV-13T, and it was a MD8x.

I can just remember that C = comercial, CP= comercial privado, P = privado. And usually I think "T" was for touristic. But this is strange because theis MD8x was going scheduled to MAR !


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

"T" could also be for Transport  Smile Is it maybe a new idea from the government?!? Keep me up to date when you see mor of the T-Planes.

User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
Keep me up to date when you see mor of the T-Planes.

Sure.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
"T" could also be for Transport

This is 4sure tourism. There are some lins in the net as well saying that. So I would expect Aerotuy, Transaven or Sol de America to have those kind of registrations. But not the scheduled airlines... strange.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Which routes are they going to fly?

User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
Which routes are they going to fly?

Yes, that would be nice to know. I was counting on you ! Haven't you heart anything there ?
There are some rumours like PTY, CCS, SAP and TGU, later MIA.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
There are some rumours like PTY, CCS, SAP and TGU, later MIA.

what about flights to HAV?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
what about flights to HAV?

from SJO ? I don't know if there is a market. There isn't even a regular market out of CCS (only 4xweekly by VH). I didn't hear any rumors about HAV. But never forget, we are talking about VH, so everything is possible.


User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
But this airline would be the first LCC in Latinamerica outside Brasil and Mexico, right?

Well in a sence, WU tried to go LCC but was undercut, so it didn´t matter.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 12):
But never forget, we are talking about VH, so everything is possible.

maybe they get a "recomendation" for the route?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Pretty interesting.

Let's see what comes along.

But, why doesn't Aeropostal (Venezuela) also apply for LCC?

It would be very amusing to see a LCC in Venezuela...

Saludos



Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous!
User currently offlineCelticmanx From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 5):
This was the strange thing ! There was even another one with "T" reg. I don't remember, but I think it was a 732 from Rutaca with a "T" reg.
And it was definetly YV-13T, and it was a MD8x.

I can just remember that C = comercial, CP= comercial privado, P = privado. And usually I think "T" was for touristic.

T Stands for "Temporal". You have that registration until the airplanes is finally registered.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Quoting Celticmanx (Reply 16):

T Stands for "Temporal". You have that registration until the airplanes is finally registered.

Our revolutionary friend has spoken! Now our doubts are gone.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Quoting Celticmanx (Reply 16):

T Stands for "Temporal". You have that registration until the airplanes is finally registered.

OK, but then this means that those two aircraft I saw are really new: YV-13T a MD8x for VH and something like 400T the fourth 732 for Rutaca....not bad. This now makes 7+1 (US registered) MD for VH.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 12):
Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
what about flights to HAV?

from SJO ? I don't know if there is a market. There isn't even a regular market out of CCS (only 4xweekly by VH). I didn't hear any rumors about HAV. But never forget, we are talking about VH, so everything is possible.

Well I think CM disagrees, they fly 2 daily to HAV one on the 73G and one on a 738!


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 19):
Well I think CM disagrees, they fly 2 daily to HAV one on the 73G and one on a 738!

Sure, there is a market. But CM is "collecting" passengers from the whole network at PTY hub and then serves HAV.
I doubt that SJO-HAV would be enough traffic for a LCC operation. There are 3xweekly LACSA and 2 weekly Cubana flights.
Apart of that this route not discussed at VH.


User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 20):
I doubt that SJO-HAV would be enough traffic for a LCC operation.

If you look at HAV as a destination, it gives very low yields. Even CU knows this, their fligth from SJO to HAV has to stop in GUA or else it won´t get enough pax.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

The only good thing about VH centroamerica is that for the month or two they last CM and TA will have to drop fares, but the possibility of VH succeding is slim to none.

No conections network
No alliance with any major airline
Old decrepit fleet
People dont know it, wont trust it
CM and TA have a huge capacity and they are both going to join forces to crush them, you can bet on that.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Haven't you heart anything there ?

Unfortunatelly nothing. Even they don't have a phone number registered yet.

I'm still waiting for any press release in this regard.


User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

I wish them the best of luck, but knowning Aeropostal Venezuela I seriously doubt they will be able to gain customers and keep them.


"Like all great travelers, I have seen more than I remember, and remember more than I have seen."
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 25, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1440 times:

And here are some press releases informing about the start within this month, not mentioning the destinations:

http://www.caribepreferente.com/inde...ontent&task=view&id=2521&Itemid=43
http://costarica.capitalfinanciero.c.../edactual/lomasreciente504956.html
http://www.abc.com.py/articulos.php?fec=2005-10-02&pid=208101&sec=7


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