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MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Hi all,

I just checked the loads on the next weeks for the Iberia MAD-EZE flights.
Mostly of the flights have no many open seats available (only some booking classes are with view seats available) . November flights seems be so far low booked, again Dezember is fully booked.

It seems that the MAD-EZE route is a big money maker for Iberia.

Is there any chance that Iberia will increase the flights in future (or is it not possible due to bileteral between Spain-Argentina)?

regards
Avianca


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Iberia has a lot of money makers in the South American and Latin American routes from Madrid. In the summer almost all of Iberias flights are full.

New York is a big money maker as well in the summer, with the frequent 2x daily A340-600 flights.

I am not sure if Iberia would add a second flight, maybe if competitor Air Madrid goes a while with full loads on the flight Iberia would be tempted. Aerolineas Argentinas also has I think three daily flights to Buenos Aires?



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
Iberia has a lot of money makers in the South American and Latin American routes from Madrid. In the summer almost all of Iberias flights are full.

New York is a big money maker as well in the summer, with the frequent 2x daily A340-600 flights.

I am not sure if Iberia would add a second flight, maybe if competitor Air Madrid goes a while with full loads on the flight Iberia would be tempted. Aerolineas Argentinas also has I think three daily flights to Buenos Aires?

the intresting is that the other routes are wide open in all booking classes for bookings.

IB is already flying 2 x daily and both flights are full, 1 at 12:30pm and the other at 12:30am

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2938 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
the intresting is that the other routes are wide open in all booking classes for bookings.

I agree with AlitaliaMD11, mostly south america is a gold mine for IB. Avianca, try to verify MAD-GIG during the next week, one flight is full, two only with seats on Biz, and only one day on Y. Same as last week, flight with 95% to 100% full and some days with A340-600. GRU is not so full as Rio (RG offer 7 weekly frequencies while Rio keeps only PU service 3 times per week) but keeps very high loads too. Iberia is improving GIG service for daily flights after Nov 1st. And Brazil is the only market without so strong spanish immigration.
EZE is really a strong market for MAD flights (and also BCN). Immigration, Biz and Tourism are all issues on this route.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Avianca, try to verify MAD-GIG during the next week, one flight is full, two only with seats on Biz, and only one day on Y

Hi Felipe,

here are the free seats.
_____________________

Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 10
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 10
7:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K5 M5 L5 V5 S5 N5 Q0 O5
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop

________________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6827
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 11
12:30 am Arrives
Sao Paulo (GRU)
October 11
6:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I7 Y3 B3 H3 K3 M3 L3 V2 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5191 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:
Airbus A340-300Airbus A340-300

_____________________________



select &
continue
Iberia
Flight: 6821
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 12
1:40 am Arrives
Sao Paulo (GRU)
October 12
7:15 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y6 B6 H6 K6 M6 L6 V4 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5191 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:

_______________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 13
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 13
7:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y8 B8 H8 K7 M7 L7 V7 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:20
Airbus A340Airbus A340

______________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6827
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 14
12:30 am Arrives
Sao Paulo (GRU)
October 14
6:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S3 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5191 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:
Airbus A340Airbus A340

______________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 15
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 15
7:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V8 S4 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:20
Airbus A340Airbus A340

______________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 16
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 16
8:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D8 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:20

______________________________

so flights are still wide open, also on the cheaper fares (only the cheapest are sold out).

Also, the other routes CCS, BOG, LIM, GYE, UIO, are still wide open, many of the flights still have 9 or more open seats in all classes.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Not only Iberia operates very successful to Latin America.
The routes FRA-EZE or FRA-GRU do very very well indeed.
You almost never get free seats on LH 526 one week to departure.
It's a very high density route down there.

Regards
jush



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
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Avianca,

Thank you very much! You're really very well informed. Thanks for the link.

Jush,

In fact the 4 flights Germany-Brazil are always full (its easier to get a Y ticket than to find J or F !)

Regards
Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Thank you very much! You're really very well informed. Thanks for the link.

no problem...  Smile

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
In fact the 4 flights Germany-Brazil are always full (its easier to get a Y ticket than to find J or F !)

thats true, I checked some weeks ago the flights, and they were already fully booked since some weeks for Ocotber and also Dezember.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

How long is the flight from MAD-EZE? I know AZ operates / operated a 777 flight FCO-EZE..... those must be bloody long flights... lol

-AA777


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

a little bit more than 5000mi... as per iberia little bit more than 10 hours?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

I think I read a report a few years ago on ATW from the CEO of IB, that EZE and MEX were the airline's most important cash cows. I don't know if they are still hold the title.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

It's not a secret that MAD-EZE and MAD-MEX are the moneymakers for Iberia in Latin America.

USADreamliner


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 10):
I think I read a report a few years ago on ATW from the CEO of IB, that EZE and MEX were the airline's most important cash cows. I don't know if they are still hold the title.

MAD-TFS is another route they make a bundle on for obvious reasons. Much shorter but a strategic route for them.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 10):
I think I read a report a few years ago on ATW from the CEO of IB, that EZE and MEX were the airline's most important cash cows. I don't know if they are still hold the title.

MEX by far is the cash cows for all European carriers because there's no real competition.

Sadly AM is a poor carrier with few seats,frequencies and destinations to offer to the mexican market, AM doesn't count when compared to RG-JJ-LA!


ghost77



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 13):
MEX by far is the cash cows for all European carriers because there's no real competition.

do not think so. MEX is doing very good for the carriers but it is not the cash cows for all...and I think on the route is some copetition.

AM,AA,CO,UA,NW,DL,AC,LH,BA,AF,IB,KL ....

regards
Avianca

[Edited 2005-10-02 21:56:04]


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
MAD-TFS

MAD-TFN I think profits more, they have more than 5 daily flights and two of them are flown by the B747-400 and the ocasional A340-600.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
MAD-TFN I think profits more, they have more than 5 daily flights and two of them are flown by the B747-400 and the ocasional A340-600.

didnt they get extra money from the spain government to operate the route to the islands?



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

I agree with Avianca. While it may not seem attractive to many of us to fly between Europe and Mexico via the U.S. due to that country's transit requirements, the U.S. carriers are indeed competitors of the European ones to MEX since they often offer very attractive fares. To a lesser extent, AC can also be considered as a competitor because they do too have attractive fares... just remember when AC was flying YYZ-MAD how a large number of passengers were Mexican passengers during the summer season.

[Edited 2005-10-03 00:22:12]


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
the U.S. carriers are indeed competitors of the European ones to MEX since they often order very attractive fares

yes have to agree, DL and CO have mostly very good fares from germany to MEX.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
MAD-TFN I think profits more, they have more than 5 daily flights and two of them are flown by the B747-400 and the ocasional A340-600.

I thought they used the south airport for the big stuff. I stand corrected.

Busy old route though! I know of someone who tried to get a short-notice ticket on IB for a return to the UK via MAD and the flights were booked solid for days.


User currently offlineFoxDelta From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

... and do not forget Iberia's Puente Aereo (Air Bridge) MAD-BCN-MAD, another BIG money maker for IB, despite shy competition from Spanair, Air Europa, and Vueling...

Cheers  rotfl 


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting FoxDelta (Reply 20):
... and do not forget Iberia's Puente Aereo (Air Bridge) MAD-BCN-MAD

by the way, do you know the average fare and yields on that route?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineFoxDelta From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Fares on Puente Aereo are somewhere in the region of 350 Euros. Again, in Puente Aereo. Besides Puente Aereo, there are plenty of IB scheduled flights, the latter ones offering lower fares, etc...
I don't know about the yields, but any IB manager will tell you they are high, as many times it has been recognized IB's Puente Aereo is their HIGHEST money maker.

Cheers  point 


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
.and I think on the route is some copetition.

AM,AA,CO,UA,NW,DL,AC,LH,BA,AF,IB,KL ....

Well, I don't know if Mexicans (and Europeans too) particularly enjoy the connections if they fly AA CO UA NW DL. I do not.




Isn't EZE a big money maker for AF too ? They have first class, since they fly a 777, and a project to split SCL and EZE in two distinct direct flights.



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 23):
Well, I don't know if Mexicans (and Europeans too) particularly enjoy the connections if they fly AA CO UA NW DL. I do not.

I also do not like the connections but if the fare is 100 or 200 USD cheaper I will go there...

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
25 Post contains links and images Ghost77 : Have stats? Proof right.... AM's market share is nothing against European carriers. All stats for Mexico: http://dgac.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=467 On
26 RCS763AV : MEX and EZE are the money makers for IB in the region, others that make big bucks are GRU, BOG and LIM.
27 Marambio : I believe it's about 12 hours. The exact distance is 6252mi (10.062km). I think it is. AF targets businesspeople going to the Far East, offering them
28 Vincewy : Any chance IB will be doing one of the followings in the future? -3rd flight to MEX, MAD leaving late PM, leaving MEX at midnight. -3rd destination in
29 IB787 : I don't see IB adding new destinations in the near future but 2nd flights to LIM, BOG and separate flights to Quito and Guayaquil are possible.
30 Avianca : yes sorry I crossed the information with the info MAD-GIG regards Avianca
31 BCNGRO : Does anybody know how Air Madrid's BCN-America routes and AR's recently started EZE-BCN are working?
32 AR1300 : I gotta go to Dresden for bussines.I planed on flying AF, cause my Skyteam status, and is basicaly sold out. Mike P.S:I planed EZE-CDG-LHR with AF. t
33 Luisca : Ive been seeing that for the past few months Iberia has been using the A346 on the MAD-PTY-SJO-MAD route, anyone now how the loads are on this route.
34 IB787 : AR starts BCN-EZE (2/w A342) this week NM flights BCN-LATAM haven't started yet
35 EddieDude : I may be wrong but perhaps that is not possible under the current bilateral. Hopefully somebody with knowledge about this issue can clarify. Air Pull
36 Vincewy : I can see MTY been much more viable than GDL, given the fact that GDL is primarily a tourist destination, while MTY is a perfect connecting point for
37 LipeGIG : IB is going daily on MAD-GIG on Nov 1st. I think first of a third flight to Brazil they will put the A340-600 replacing A340-300 on both routes (GIG
38 PLANEGUY : So how has Air Madrid affected IB's loads and yields in the Lat Am market? I'm curious to know how Air Madrid is performing. I haven't been to MAD lat
39 Bullpitt : Air Madrid posted a 6 million eur loss last year and I think they will post a bigger loss next year. After all the problems they had this summer and n
40 Plunafan : AR's EZE-BCN flight is +90% until Jan/06, BCN-EZE is 95% in Nov/05 and +97% in Dec/05. I don't know loads for flights after Jan/06. P.S: Loads number
41 RCS763AV : Actually, Mexico and Colombia have been getting more and more flights in the past years. In the case of Colombia, in the last two years, the followin
42 EddieDude : Not entirely accurate. Guadalajara has a strong industry (El Salto, a town nearby is the home of Honda's Mexican factory which churns out Accords and
43 Airlineslover : GDL is an important city in Mexico I think that any carrier or airline can make the operation without a doubt, lot of European people lives in Jalisco
44 Ghost77 : I think you are absolutely right! IB could easily offer additional frequencies, at least 3 or 4 more for 17/18X flights. Recently the bilateral betwe
45 IB787 : NM will also start 1/w flight BCN-TLC next month.
46 Ghost77 : Sweet great news for us! That will then make 17X flights a week with this new frequency from NM... AM wake up and smell the coffee!!!! ghost77 APM
47 Post contains images USADreamliner : Just a question:Why not COR-MAD with AR or IB? Not enough traffic or there's no agreements? Just curiosity USADreamliner
48 TBCITDG : Hi All! Not only is MAD-EZE a chash cow for IB but let us not forget AR. On a nother thread I read that AR along with it's sister airlineAir Plus plan
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