Planefreak From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7780 times:
Hate to tell you but Southwest does not serve ATL and more thna likely never will do to the Wright Agreement back in the 70's. I am not sure what this states, however I will research it and post it here. however I do know that this does affect the reason.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7771 times:
Thw wright ammendment only applies to Love field in Dallas. Southwest tends to avoid fortress hub cities and airports with a propensity for long delays. If one of the other Atlanta area airports were to open up for commercial traffic, you might see WN then, but don't hold your breath. Also, the only NYC area airport that they serve is Islip
Big777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7753 times:
Why don't you drive from Atlanta to Birmingham to fly on SWA to Balitmore and connect to Long Island,NY? Maybe you would like to do this. But, it takes a long way to go! Good luck... Try find AirTran lowest fares btwn ATL and LGA for you in chirstmas time.
USAirwys4Lyfe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7743 times:
Southwest doesn't fly into ATL or NYC directly, and I do not expect to see them anytime soon. SWA's unwritten policy is to avoid large, congested hubs. When they flew to Islip, NY the CEO commented that the reason they stay out of northeastern hubs were the three "c's": Congestion, Cost, and Cold weather.
For your trip I would recommend flying AirTran or someother airline, unless you want to deal with driving a long distance.
Surleswj From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7739 times:
Did you ever find anything out about the wright agreement and ATL? I thought like Goeingboeing stated that the wright agreement only had to do with Love field, but I do recall hearing about some reason why WN could not fly into ATL. Just curious if you were able to find anything on it.
P.S. - Could very well be wrong about the Wright agreement being just for Love field, that is just what I thought it stated.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7726 times:
The Wright Amendment was put into effect when DFW opened, and airlines moved from Love to DFW. The amendment was created as an incentive for airlines to make the move to DFW.
The amendment is basically this: no airline can serve any city from Dallas-Love that is beyond the states contigous to Texas (that is New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana), with an aircraft larger than 56 seats. The amendment was itself amended a couple of years to include the states of Mississippi, and (I think) Alabama. I also seem to recall that Kansas may also be a part of the amendment now.
The only way the Wright Amendment affects ATL is that no one can fly Love to ATL, or vice versa, with an aircraft of over 56 seats.
Hope this answers the question.
As a matter of comment, to me, the Wright amendment will continue to be slowly dissolved, kind of like the perimeter rules at LGA and DCA.
Tom in NO (at MSY)
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7696 times:
Southwest doesn't usually fly into fortress hubs, Atlanta being the biggest
of them all. As for New York service, they only fly out of Islip, Long Island
(for NYC service). The ATL-NYC market is dominated by Delta, which has
hourly service into LaGuardia, often flying big jets like the 767-200, L1011,
757, and MD88's during off-peak hours. Delta also has hourly service to
Newark and a number of flights to JFK. Continental has hourly service to
and from Newark and then there is AirTran, offering a handful of flights
to Newark and LaGuardia.
If Atlanta had a secondary airport, then they would probably look into it.
There are rumors that JetBlue is considering JFK-Atlanta service. Hmmm
didn't TWA try this in the mid-90's, only to get badly burned?
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1549 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7685 times:
I think that it's hilariously clever that Legend Airlines is dancing around the Wright Amendment by configuring their DC-9s with exactly 56 seats in a luxury style. This allows them to serve the business market on routes like LGA-DAL, IAD-DAL, etc.
Legend looks like a pretty cool airline to work for. If I were headed in that career direction, I'd sure apply there.
American and others are also starting up service from Love using RJ's, but I'm not as enamored with them. Oh, well, it is a capitalist system...
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7672 times:
But, reread his post. He specifically states:
<< Southwest doesn't USUALLY fly into fortress hubs >>
They have a handful of flights from Dallas into IAH (7) compare that to 33 into Hobby from Dallas alone! LAX is the price of doing business in the California market, and LAX can hardly be called a "fortress hub" by anyone. But, it is busy. Atlanta won't happen because Delta owns the Atlanta city council. If the city even considered wooing Southwest, Delta would play hardball (with the city, not with Southwest).
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7665 times:
Houston may be a fortress hub, but as "goingboeing" graciously pointed
out, I did say Southwest "doesn't usually fly into fortress hubs". I think
most people would agree that LAX is not a "fortress" hub. United is the
only hub carrier and they have under 300 daily flights there.
If you want to bash me, then make sure your facts are right. That way
you'll look a tad less petty and obnoxious, not that anyone cares.......