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Prince Andrew Almost Denied Boarding!  
User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14136 times:

Prince Andrew was catching a flight from Melbourne to New Zealand and refused to a "personal scan" by metal detector. After a lot of screaming and shouting the airport security and management came in and told him he would be unable to board his flight. He finally gave up and after a 10 second search was granted acccess to his flight.

Ahh those celebrities...

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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4864 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14002 times:

That's what I call a real prick move but then again that kind of behaviour does run in the family...

YOWza



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13950 times:

They should have denied boarding as soon as he refused to the screening. That would have taught him. Why the hell do filthy rich people think they are above the rest if us poor bastards?


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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13946 times:

The incident was well reported over here in NZ. From all reports there was no "screaming and shouting", but an understandable annoyance given his position. It must be remembered that he is in line to be the head of state to Australia and spends his whole life as a terrorist target. The request by the Australian security officials is highly insulting and I don't blame him for being p**sed off.

User currently offlineBMIbaby733 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13881 times:

We'll have less of your ignorance towards a member of the Royal family aswell!!!
Hang your heads in shame !


User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13815 times:

Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 3):
The incident was well reported over here in NZ. From all reports there was no "screaming and shouting", but an understandable annoyance given his position. It must be remembered that he is in line to be the head of state to Australia and spends his whole life as a terrorist target. The request by the Australian security officials is highly insulting and I don't blame him for being p**sed off.

What ????????????????????? His position in life? It's time to realize Royalty is the thing of the past! Other than being born into a B.S. royalty situation exactly what has he done to earn to deserve this respect? Give me a break... millions of everyday people more in life than royal families using other people's money! It still amazes me in 2005 people still belive in Kings and Queens.



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User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13798 times:

searching a quasi head of state for weapons is rude and insulting (no mater how much you dislike him). Searching his entourage is fine- to a point. These things are well outlined for the most part via diplomatic understandings.

User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4945 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13767 times:

He isn't called HRH Prince Charles for nothing! I think if it had been HRH Prince Phillip, it would have been even worse!


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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13767 times:
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This is the same as the PNG Prime Minister being insulted by security requirements at BNE, most countries have special arrangements for VIP travellers but if those VIPs choose to travel privately they are subject to the same rules as the rest of us.. end of story!! Shame Andrew for even resisting!!

Respect is not bestowed by birthright or position it must be earned and this behaviour is not the way to earn it.. not in this country anyway.

Regards

Chris



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4945 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13746 times:

Whooops! I meant Prince Andrew, not Charles! Even though I think Charles would be more likely to behave in this manner.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13035 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13724 times:

Must be the security people were (in the UK context) republicans. Australia has a very egalatarian society and not fond of those who put on airs. What the should have done was to bring him to a VIP room for his 'search'. On the other hand, he could have gone through without a hassle at all and set a good example for all his 'subjects'.

User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13704 times:
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Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Respect is not bestowed by birthright or position it must be earned and this behaviour is not the way to earn it.. not in this country anyway

Right on! Just keep in mind he has been brought up to believe his $H!T doesn't stink.

Quoting Petazulu (Reply 6):
searching a quasi head of state for weapons is rude and insulting (no mater how much you dislike him). Searching his entourage is fine- to a point.

If he was traveling on a private jet from a Fixed base that is one thing. If he sets foot in the terminal with a commercial ticket. He is sunject to the same stringent search requirements. I think you check your life status when you enter airports, because if you create an issue at any point passengers become uneasy, and if you react in the aircarft mid flight... Whew, I think we are going to find more dead people in those situations.


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13621 times:

SchipolJfk, I didn't say I was for or against royalty. Your feelings on it are a mute point.

StealthZ. HRH Prince Andrew was travelling to New Zealand on official business, not in a private capacity. He is entitled to the protocols as such.

Australian security officials have also insisted on screening New Zealand's prime minister when she has been travelling on official business. Sorry, as an Australian myself, I find the ignorance of the screeners and lack of proper handling of heads of state when travelling via commercial aircraft when on official business is unbelievable and embarrasing.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13517 times:
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Sorry Trolley Dolley,

Whether official business or not, there are private VIP facilities available even when travelling via commercial flights. If for whatever reason you choose to travel with the Great Unwashed or the proletariat, depending on where you are in the political spectrum.. let's call it the general population, you are subject to the same laws, requiements and security measures they are.
Sometimes I find the hypocrisy of those in "High Station" galling, travel commercial to "maintain the common touch" but expect special treatment when doing so!

Those that make and uphold the laws are NOT exempt from them despite what their inflated sense of self importance may lead them to think. The PM of NZ or Australia is no better or different than you or me, in fact by the strictest definition they are our servant not the other way around.

The Royal family.. well that is a whole different discussion for another time & place.

Regards

Chris

PS and I can assume whose taxpayers were footing the bill, almost guarantee the Chancellor of the Exchequer did not sign the cheque.



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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13384 times:

StealthZ, whether it is "right or wrong", you quote summed it up.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 13):
Whether official business or not, there are private VIP facilities available even when travelling via commercial flights.

In Australia, these have to be provided and organised by the Australian government and the airport authorities, but why hasn't Australia been consistently providing the proper services to heads of state passsing through its airports? After all, I saw an episode of "Airport" when Prime Minister Howard was whisked straight to his Qantas flight at LHR without having to be wanded, take his shoes off etc.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13227 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 2):
They should have denied boarding as soon as he refused to the screening. That would have taught him. Why the hell do filthy rich people think they are above the rest if us poor bastards?

Well, as long as they spend big loads of cash in our industry, they are above us! (but only litteraly in the air!)


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13146 times:

It's typical of the increasing immaturity of a.net that a legitimate issue is obscured by the ill-mannered ranting and raving and airing of completely irrelevant personal opinions about the relevance of the royal family. Who cares what you or I think of whether they are necessary or not?

The issue is not whether you believe the royal family is a good thing or a bad thing - the issue is that one of their member was subject to a security search while travelling on official business, and whether this was justified or not.

My personal view as a crew member is that I am completely comfortable with a Commonwealth head of state or royal travelling on one of my flights without being screened.



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6763 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13131 times:

The request by the Australian security officials is highly insulting and I don't blame him for being p**sed off.

and what happened in Nepal? The crown prince decided to machinegun his whole family  Sad

If Prince Andy Pandy doesn't want to get screened, he should have hired a private jet... He's not a head of state of anywhere...

If he was on official business (state-to-state) matters... then well, what's the standard protocol in Australia? Is there a standard? As far as I know, until Australia becomes a republic, the Royal Family is the family of their head of state, at least there should be some protocols written down somewhere. Now if the protocols require that he be searched, tough luck Andy... otherwise, some Aussie security bloke is gonna look for another job soon...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4369 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13070 times:

What a lot of nonsense, if those Australian security personnel were even half as obnoxious as 'w's moronic TSA he had every right to be annoyed.

Some American's love to give the Royals a hard time , claiming 'elitism'
and such, the ones that don't (and probably have a couple of brain cells to rub together) know about all the great charity work they constantly undertake to help the poor, disadvantaged and needy all over the UK.

Of course you don't have a royal family do you, unless 'w' and his budget busting, warfaring (based on a lie) environment destroying, corrupt REAL ELITIST cronies in the pocket of the oil companies and others such as Haliburton count...

Perhaps a little jealousy may be showing, certainly, a lack of education.



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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7155 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13000 times:

It's quite easy, next time John Howard lands on English soil give him a full body cavity search....

User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Firstly, well said TG992!

Unfortunately "hiring a plane" is not always possible for visits like this. The tab is often picked up by the host government, in this case New Zealand, and the cost of hiring a plane to fly from NZ to the UK is astronomical. Goodness, the NZ government made HM The Queen fly to New Zealand on a commercial flight (her first ever) when she came out to NZ for the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Auckland to save costs.

From my feedback on the Helen Clark incident (Wellington is a small town and my contacts spoke to her directly on the matter) the issue is more that the security screeners seem to have no advance warning of heads of state coming through when in transit than the actual act of being screened. People at this level expect accurate briefings on to what they will need to do, and when, as they work in a world where things are often timed to the second.

Remember that in the immediate fall out of the Ansett bankruptcy, my fellow Australians were quite happy to let Helen Clark sit as a virtual hostage as former AN workers would let her Air NZ plane depart. They're evidently happy to wand her as security risk, but they were very slow to react when her own security was in danger.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12872 times:

What concerns me more is what Australian security lets through! I was speaking to a gentleman who got a large hacksaw through security and onto the plane in his hand luggage (he thought he packed it in his checked luggage). He couldn't believe it wasn't picked up! And as for Australian customs well, the stories I have been told by NZ customs are mind blowing.

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12720 times:
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Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 20):
From my feedback on the Helen Clark incident (Wellington is a small town and my contacts spoke to her directly on the matter) the issue is more that the security screeners seem to have no advance warning of heads of state coming through when in transit than the actual act of being screened.

It is also an issue that some "VIPs" travel with small parties and don't always keep their hosts current on their plans.
It is also known that some heads of government will impose their requirements on their staff and then let them take the rap for the driving offences!!
How did this thread about the disdain shown by a "VIP" for the laws of his host country become a standard Kiwi Aussie bashing thread?


Chris



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User currently offlinePOmnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12715 times:

History is full of examples of royalty taking up arms and popping off near and dear ones as well as absolute unknown peaceful byestanders. Happens all over the world even now, and I would like to think that royalty from anywhere needs to be:-

a) Well off enough to travel on their own airplanes.

or

b) Submit to what the rest of us go through peacefully.

Most British royalty have had exposure to armed forces training and therefore, if they are young males, right in the middle of being profiled.


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12677 times:

Chris if you'd read my posts better you'll see that I'm Australian! I am be critical of my own, I'm not dragging it into a Tasman slanging match.

25 777ER : You could say the AN employees were keeping Ms Clark safe then that day. Even thou the prince arrived in a convoy with police, and were about to boar
26 Pomnath : 777ER says:- ""Even though the prince arrived in a convoy with police, and were about to board the aircraft throu the staff entry (up the stairs from
27 Dhefty : But he's the people's choice. Er, I mean People Magazine. Sorry.
28 Ilovenz : Let us pray that we are soon done with that disgusting monarchy. Your empire fell for a reason, your Crown Prince looks like a monkey for a reason. So
29 Pomnath : Well, fair enough, he may be the People and/or People Magazine's choice, but can anybody even begin to start guessing how many wars, battles, attacks,
30 Post contains images Cragley : Clearly nobody even knew who he was til the manager arrived. I think that says enough really Royal who?
31 EGFF : Alot of interesting posts here, but as a british national my first thought as i read the thread starter was 'why should he get treated differently to
32 Toulouse : Come on! Why is it time to realise Royalty is "a" thing if the past?? Now, if President Bush was stopped for personal screening at CDG I imagine you
33 Pomnath : Toulouse, President Bush would not travel on a commercial flight. And you should see the kind of security checks those who travel withhim have to go t
34 FraT : That is the biggest BS I've read on this board in a while. Although I agree that he should have been searched like a normal passenger if he is on a c
35 Pomnath : Frat, why is it BS? I mean, is it a play on the term BS (British International Helicopters) since Prince Andrew did convert on to Sea-King helicopters
36 Doona : Getting pissed off and insulted by security checks is to me insulting. It's not that some people are above suspicion, as I suppose many people actuall
37 Post contains images Iwok : Its not really about Kings & Queens but about very VIP travel. Weather or not your like/respect him or not, he is entitled to a little smoother flow.
38 CPH757 : This has nothing to do with his rights to do what so ever. His apperance are ridiculous. As a royal, shouldn't he just show a good example and be poli
39 Post contains images Toulouse : Not my point... read a bit deeper into my words my friend. Ok Pomnath... And maybe you should ready up European Royalty (while I agree al Royalty may
40 Scbriml : Exactly! As a representative of the United Kingdom on official business, he should have been accorded the usual VIP protocols. Those who have disagre
41 Jush : An it still shudders me that you think your american system with one head of the state pres works... Go home mate and let the british have their mona
42 FraT : [ Pomnath, what does the stupidity of his nephew or another family member has to do with this issue in Australia? I stand by my point that these two a
43 ZSOFN : FraT, I completely agree with you! Those comments were ridiculous. I'm surprised people actually take media spin seriously, even here. How does a you
44 777ER : How has the mistakes of his family got to do with him? Well for starters the secret service would refuse to allow the CDG security any where near him
45 Pomnath : I am amazed that there are people even in this day and age who can not see the connection between the hard facts of aviation security and the risks th
46 777ER : So you believe that a royal family member who has pilot training would be considered a terrirost?
47 Pomnath : Nothing so much to do with a person being Royal, after all, royal or not, they still adhere to the laws of the land in England, don't they? Likewise,
48 Toulouse : I think they already do! On a funny note, and something i personnally find scandalous, but Dublin Airport now offers anyone the possibility of buying
49 BCAL : Please do not persuade Prince Andrew to spend any more on hiring private jets. He recently narrowly escaped criticism after it was revealed that he h
50 Pomnath : Toulouse, on a not-so-light note, civil aviation on commercial scheduled airliners today is all about people being equal up in the air, under the comm
51 Bmiexpat : Prince Harry was at a private party, as a private individual, wearing the fancy dress outfit of his choice which matched the theme of the party. I'm
52 Toulouse : Pomnath, I am sadly well aware of these atrocities, and the many atrocities (talking just about my country of origin here) committed by the British i
53 Pomnath : BMIExpat, you are way out of your depth here, if you for even a moment suggesting that the behaviour of the British Royals towards Nazi glorification
54 Post contains links Pomnath : Please read Section 14.5 on security screening at Australian Airports, and specific exemptions. http://www.dfat.gov.au/protocol/Protocol_Guidelines/14
55 TymnBalewne : To get back on track... Could it be that the airline bears some responsibility? When I would deal the travels of VIP's on my airline I would hold a br
56 ZSOFN : You clearly misunderstood me. This is what I said: I'm not an idiot. No-one wears something by accident. But you can wear something without intending
57 TAP1972 : In these days, with frequent terrorist threats, he just should give the example to reinforce the idea that everybody should be subject to these kind
58 Pomnath : ZSOFN, what does "Western dignitary" mean, especially in context with aviation? Are the aviation rules different for people from the West? Is Australi
59 ZSOFN : You know what a Western Dignitary is. What I'm saying is that whilst I'm not bothered whether or not a prince gets searched (this whole thing really
60 Pomnath : This makes sense in the same way that a young man going to a fundamentalist religious school becomes a suspect. It makes even more sense if they are t
61 Toulouse : I think this thread should be pulled as it has gone totally of track.
62 DeskPilot : " target=_blank>http://www.dfat.gov.au/protocol/Prot....html "..VIPs are expected to undergo normal security screening processes at Australian airport
63 Pomnath : Deskpilot, problem is that a whole lot of people think that British Royalty, inspite of a patchy track record at best, is in some way exempted or abov
64 Post contains images BigOrange : Are Australia employing TSA rejects as screeners??? I think he should have been sent back to the airline ticket counter for a refund on his ticket and
65 Post contains images ZSOFN : Indeed. I think the word "hijacked" is appropriate
66 DrDeke : I realize this isn't the way the world works, but as far as I'm concerned, W and Cheney SHOULD have to be screened anytime they get on a commercial a
67 ScarletHarlot : I cannot wait to see QantasForever's take on this one.
68 Post contains images Toulouse :
69 Symphonik : Seriously, folks. I'm quite confident his anger over the security screening was not because he lives every single day as a "terrorist target", but rat
70 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : It would be so much easier if the British government would just admit they need a diverse fleet of dedicated aircraft for their big shots...not just a
71 LongbowPilot : Does anyone know if the security agent was out of line? Because no one here was there, and we know how the media is. Could it be that maybe he didn't
72 WhiteHatter : Screw him anyway. There is plenty of evidence in the media that he is becoming every bit as pompous and a pain as his father, Phil the Greek. Anyone w
73 Varig_dc10 : Well said WhiteHatter! No matter what protocol says, all the prick had to do was go along with the security guys request and it wouldn't have been an
74 Wah64d : Guess he hasn't done much to deserve respect, only been a Royal Navy Lynx ASW helicopter pilot for 20 years including the Falklands war (thanks for t
75 Slarty : We are not amused ... LOL.
76 Post contains images EGFF : Ditto .... At the end of the day, as i stated earlier in the post he's no different to any of us, he is still human all he has is a title in his name
77 VV701 : As a Brit I am very amused at the anti-British Royalty views expressed by so many nationals from other contries. I feel flatered that they hold such s
78 UAL747DEN : This is why he should have been on a private jet if he was flying for official business. If you fly a commercial airline you must follow the rules jus
79 VV701 : Not every head of state or senior government official travels by government owned aircraft. In March 1994 I travelled by BA on the LHR-JNB route and
80 Post contains images DeskPilot : Pomnath, I'm agreeing with you. Yes, I was waiting for QFF to come into this one - ripe with opportunity ! I'll shine the QFF symbol in the sky to ge
81 Post contains images TG992 : Pot, kettle, black?
82 Pomnath : VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 77, posted Tue Oct 4 2005 22:49:56 UTC+2 and read 948 times: As a Brit I am very am
83 Post contains images Iwok : Ahhh, Dr: well said. Very true "in principal", but actual results may vary. On another note, there are many people who can take guns, knives and othe
84 StealthZ : Oh we do give a rats-a&s, we just don't like people that think they are above our laws and in the case of foreign security forces we don't like them
85 Bmiexpat : Right, all because he smoked cannabis and wore a nazi uniform to a fancy dress party. And what good exactly would become of him being on the strictes
86 Beany : You really are going overboard now. You are tarring everyone with the same brush which is incorrect. Just because Harry wore a certain uniform to a p
87 ZKSUJ : Well said. I agree that it is an insult, but if I were him I would just have done it and took the incident on the chin. Just my opinion.
88 Pomnath : That is not relevant on this forum, and in any case you are incorrect too. I have no axe to grind with the British, as a matter of fact I admire the
89 Baexecutive : What happened to the rest of the UK?
90 Dougloid : Do you guys really do that?
91 Airzim : "potential." This is a real stretch. Prince Harry is a Nazi sympathizer? You must be joking. So if someone wears an Osama costume to a Halloween Part
92 VV701 : Anybody is allowed a dig and welcome. And I can understand your interest. Andrew is the son of your head of state and the incident took place in your
93 Semsem : He could have been carrying drugs. LOL. He should be searched like everyone else. Difficult to respect the Royal family. The Prince of Wales was a Naz
94 VV701 : Really? Which Nazis did he sympathise with? It was the country of which he is the heir apparent that stood alone against the Nazis. His mother, then
95 Swisskloten : I would not say even a word if Bush was searched in France or England. I would NOT have any problem with him or his staff being subject to the same p
96 Soyuzavia : I don't give a fat rats clacker who you are. Come to my country, you should be put through the same bureaucratic rules and bullshit that any citizen o
97 Pomnath : The world at large has still to be protected from Nazis, and their aviation related habits. If you object, please keep your Royal Aristocrat at "home
98 FraT : If you bring anybody from the British royal family in connection with being a Nazi, you must be completely crazy! Hell, Harry wore this uniform and i
99 NetworkDoc : Why is this case such an outrage? This should be a simple case of who was right or wrong according to the stipulated law of the land. Can Aussie membe
100 Pomnath : " target=_blank>http://www.dfat.gov.au/protocol/Prot....html Once again, just and only the Queen of England. Nobody else. Everybpdy else on a schedule
101 VV701 : Prince Andrew was 'at home'. It is not long ago that the peoples of Australia democratically reaffirmed that his mother is the Australian head of sta
102 Post contains links NetworkDoc : Thank you, Pomnath. The page http://www.dfat.gov.au/protocol/Protocol_Guidelines/14.html#141 could not be clearer. Andrew did definitely not meet the
103 Semsem : VV701 it is obvious that you are very young and completely confused by which Prince of Wales I am talking about. The Prince of Wales I am talking abou
104 Semsem : > One reason that El Al do not fly to Australia is because they are not allowed to fly over Indonesian territory.
105 Post contains links Semsem : VV701 you called me a liar. Read this about Prince Edward VIII (Prince of Wales and uncle of Elizabeth II). Don't they teach about him anymore? Not on
106 Post contains links VV701 : You obviously did not check my user profile. So just how wrong can you be? You really should make simple checks first. And he was not alone. All poli
107 Semsem : VV701 Give me a break! It was pretty obvious which Prince of Wales I was talking about. I was not talking about the "present" Prince of Wales being a
108 Semsem : >>However I do not find it "repulsive" and "sickening". I just consider it a little juvenile and certainly very thoughtless.>> VV701 you are "free" to
109 Post contains links VV701 : Thanks for your interest. It is appreciated. http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/cas...alty-details.aspx?casualty=2607988
110 Pomnath : Oh, OK, now I understand. But then, the Australians themselves stuck a condition that only she, not even her consort leave alone her children, would
111 FraT : Semsem, please read all of my posts carefully. I mentioned before that in my opinion it was completely immature and stupid by Harry to wear this shir
112 Bennett123 : It seems to me that a lot of people are getting off track. IMO VIP/VVIP do need to be treated differently, especially when on official business. Who t
113 BHXFAOTIPYYC : This whole thread should be moved to NonAv... way to much politics in here. Anyway, somewhere there are inter-governmental agreements on VIP's that pr
114 CrossChecked : In a forum absolutely flooded with drivel and pre-schoolesque postings, this one is truly fantastic! For HRH Prince Andrew to be subjected to additio
115 Pomnath : I don't see any politics here, I just see that an issue pertaining to aviation security is being discussed. Prince Andrew is nowhere on any list exem
116 Ncfc99 : During the Falklands war, Didn't Andrew Fly a chopper over a buning ship to rescue our soldiers from it. If my memory of that event is correct, then
117 VV701 : The subject of the World War II was effectively first raised in Reply 26. So your question should be 'As for fancy dress worn to a party by the subje
118 Pomnath : And he earned the disdain of the rest of the world for taking part in a colonial grab in this day and age. Can you imagine if Andrew took part in ano
119 PHXinterrupted : Amen!
120 Bmiexpat : The Falklands War was not a "colonial grab" as you put it, it was Briatin protecting the interests of it's citizens living there, from an act of unpr
121 Semsem : VV701 thank you for the link. Very interesting and moving. NCFFC99 yes it was obvious which Prince of Wales I was talking about. The only member of th
122 Post contains images Mariner : But you have just accused Prince Harry of being a Nazi sympathizer. Unless you meant some other nephew of Prince Andrew. cheers mariner
123 Pomnath : Yes, living in India, we are aware of the way Britain protected its citizens interest, especially in aviation related issues. Would the citizens of t
124 Post contains images Mariner : I guess it has escaped your attention that he was, in effect, in "his own country". Her Majesty is Queen of Australia, Queen of Queensland and Queen
125 Pomnath : No, it has not escaped my attention. However it may have escaped your attention that in Australia, like in other democracies, by virtue of something
126 Mariner : Did I say otherwise? Um - I am Australian. Please do not lecture me about my own country and its constitution. However, I would direct your attention
127 Pomnath : I am not here to insult anybody. I am just here to point out a specific rule pertaining to aviation security checks in Australia, and bring it to the
128 Mariner : Oh. Call me old fashioned, but to say - - of the grandson of my queen counts, to me, as an insult. Or, more properly, gutter mouth. You continue to i
129 Pomnath : I did not call the Prince a twat, I quoted Beany. +++ I am here to debate why everybody needs to be searched in commercial aviation. Australian locat
130 Mariner : No, sir, I claim no exemptions for anyone, except heads of state. And, if security felt it necessary to search a head of state - any head of state -
131 Semsem : Mariner where did I accuse Prince Harry of being a Nazi sympathiser? Are you hallucinating? His stupidity is due to a lack of education when it comes
132 Mariner : My apologies - it was Pomnath who did that. Maybe I was hallucinating - in the midst of so much anti-British, anti-Royalist sentiment, you both seemed
133 Jetdeltamsy : What a turd. Not surprising though.
134 Post contains links Mariner : So if someone refers to the daughters of your Head of State as a pair of turds, you'd be okay with that? http://www.gawker.com/news/culture/s...w-8-n
135 B744F : That is awesome, best restaurant ever!
136 Jetdeltamsy : Mariner, Look at who my head of state is for God's sakes. it's GWBush. i say MUCH MUCH worse about him. and his daughters are two very spoiled-rotten
137 Mariner : That's okay. I posted that link because I was trying to be funny-ish too. cheers mariner
138 Semsem : >>Maybe I was hallucinating - in the midst of so much anti-British, anti-Royalist sentiment, you both seemed very much alike. >> Mmm where on earth wa
139 Mariner : Here: And this is interesting: There is no proof that he was much more than an appeaser, as was Chamberlain. And since it is believed that some Germa
140 Semsem : Mariner you are "distorting history. " Read some history books; the Queen's uncle was clearly "pro Nazi" and was a "suspected German spy". So was his
141 Mariner : I am always enchanted when people tell me - an historian - to read some history books. Since this is a civil aviation forum I'll just limit my respon
142 Pomnath : So I am being anti-Royal, right, mariner and VV701? So let us see, what have we got here. We have a Britisher, an Israeli, a new Zealander and an Indi
143 GDB : Any of the ranters on here actually ever met Prince Andrew? I have, briefly. In 2001, he visited our hangar to look over the Concorde mods, this was i
144 Pomnath : OK, so you've already decided the rest of us are "ranters". Good for you mate, for somebody who lives in Hounslow or Uxbridge, you sure have attitude
145 TKMCE : Relax Pomnath Some (fortunately not all ) of The "Puccah Sahebs" will never never change! Still cant forget BBCs hour of shame! The hours and hours of
146 GDB : Yes, but at least those particular responses, done for the most part in fun, were short and to the point. (I note that often in life, those with axes
147 GDB : TKMCE, while I agree the Diana coverage was OTT, eventually at least, it was a totally unexpected event, I don't think Mother Teresa's death was unexp
148 Semsem : >>I guess they didn't teach you much about the Balfour Declaration, either.>> Mariner what on earth does the fact that Prince Harry obviously was not
149 Post contains images Mariner : And what does any of this have to do with cvil aviation? Then again, if you use the British tabloids as your standard of behaviour, I guess I should
150 Semsem : >>And what does any of this have to do with cvil aviation?>> Mariner it was you who brought up the Balfour declaration, not I. You must therefore ask
151 POmnath : Any anti-Semitic (and I did not wish to use this term, but then it has come on this page) needs to be security checked, thoroughly, if boarding a comm
152 GDB : I would never attack anyone for their race or gender (Is la Carey coloured? Honestly, I don't know either way), but celebs with a well known reputatio
153 POmnath : I have learnt one thing on this board - political and gender sensitivities on airliners.net could do with some improvement. According to some of the m
154 Bennett123 : B744F Where is that restaurant, they must be good to have a 4 year queue. I am also unclear why someone with military training needs extra screening,
155 Pomnath : The Prince being stupid is not the point. Point is that a lot of people here support and justify his antics, even in this day and age. And people wit
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