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User currently offlineAirtime From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 86 posts, RR: 1
Posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

Anybody knows anything about the new airline Skyservice is going to start in november. I read in the paper that Skyservice will be starting a new full service airline to serve all the majors canadian cities and some cities in the USA using their A330 and A320.

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User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

I will be called RootsAir because Roots Canada had something to do with this too.

User currently offlineA320Driver From Denmark, joined Nov 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Their new A/C scheme can be seen at:

http://www.rootsair.com


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

This is kinda weird - an airline named after a Canadian clothing retail store chain!?

User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Samurai 777: when you have money nothing is impossible even an airline named after a clothing store. Great makerting techniques

As far as the livery goes, i think it looks awful.

Does anyone know if Montreal is one of their city?

Nicolas


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

I think the colour scheme is kool...and it is not that odd, infact it makes good sence if they are going to team up with VIRGIN which is also the brand name of many many products... I can't wait to see them flying....I hope they choose VIRGIN as their partner...


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCharterFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Nicolaki, you asked if RootsAir was going to fly in Montreal (YUL), Qc, Canada. Here's the answer I've found in their new website (www.rootsair.com):

"RootsAir will operate daily flights on a service route including Vancouver,
Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa and Halifax. The
airline will also provide daily service to select US cities beginning with Los
Angeles. The inaugural flight of the new service is scheduled for November
2000 and the airline will be flying Airbus A320s and A330s featuring the latest
in-flight technology. "

CharterFlyer


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

I love the co,our scheme. I can't wait to see them here in Montreal!!!

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

I love the colour scheme. I can't wait to see them here in Montreal!!!

User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

CharterFlyer: Thanks for the info
Noise: You're from montreal? me too, if you want Email me at nicolaki1@hotmail, we could go spot some aircrafts some day at YUL


User currently offlinePronto From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Well, finally it's revealed! Thank goodness they'll just fly in Canada and U.S. If they fly to Australia, quite a stir will erupt!!!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

I just skimmed the press release, but I can't tell--will this be a one class (all economy) airline, or a two class airline?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Multiclass interline carier....

Pronto..Why would it cause a big stir up if they flew to australia?



"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCharterFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Noise and Nicolaki...

I'm from Montreal too and I have like 88 photos on this website. My real name is Maxime Prévost-Desjardins and I use to do some planespotting with some of other aviation lovers such as Pierre Lacome (his photos are also on this site) and Nicolas Ronca. It could be interesting to know you better!  

Regards,

CharterFlyer

User currently offlineCharterFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Noise and Nicolaki...

I'm from Montreal too and I have like 88 photos on this website. My real name is Maxime Prévost-Desjardins and I use to do some planespotting with some of other aviation lovers such as Pierre Lacome (his photos are also on this site) and Nicolas Ronca. It could be interesting to know you better!  

Regards,

CharterFlyer


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Slawko...The word "root" or "roots" has sexual connotations in Australia. That's why the Roots Canada clothing that Team Canada wore at the Olympics was so popular with the Australians. That's why Roots Air may cause a stir in Australia.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Oh ok thanks...didn't know that


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Polaris, in Australia does Root mean the same as froot here in North America?

I wonder how long this new airline will last...



JAT





User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Nicolaki - while the naming of the airline seems odd, you're right when it comes to working as a great marketing technique. I actually do like the color scheme on these a/c. It'd be cool to see these tails of different colors flying around, kind of like a Canadian version of Braniff (remember those 727s in different colors?)! But the "RootsAir" title on the fuselage could use some enlargening, although the Roots' beaver logo is a nice touch.

Let's hope RootsAir doesn't end up with the same fate as Canadian! It'd be very sad to see that happen. I would like to see it last for quite a long time as a full-service competitor to AC.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Nicolaki, did you ever visit the Montreal-Dorval Airport Enthusiast Page??? It's a very good site on YUL. You REALLY should go visit it at http://www.cam.org/~hill/dorvalairport.html

Maxime, I have seen a lot of you photos and found them really nice. I found a link to your site at Doug Bull's Commercial Aviation page. It's nice that you did it on Mirabel. I found your site very proffesional and I was suprised to see that you made it off geocities. Great gob!!!


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Canadian's achilles heel was its debt. RootsAir at least won't be as overburdened in that respect, so I give it a shot. And they're not aiming at being a whole fly-everywhere airline, so that should make it more manageable. There isn't room for 2 all-things-to-all-people airlines in this country, but maybe 1.25 like Skyservice has said. If they're aiming for business travellers, however, I question their choice of name, as brand appeal seems odd, to say the least (I would have franchised Virgin, personally, or else found another name). I'll give them a chance, though, and the A320's are at least on par with AC in passenger appeal, which is a big issue for a full service carrier.

Regarding the name, somebody had better mention that to Roots before they do any marketing for Australian connections. Remember how GM failed to do its research with the Chevy Nova...

As far as livery, I kind of like it, although I would have done it a little different on the tail. But the beaver logo looks OK to me, and I like the different coloured tails.

I think what will make or break this will be the traffic feed it gets from foreign carriers. It might survive on internal traffic alone, but if oneworld (or whoever teams up with it) provides enough feed it could be quite reasonably profitable. Or it could go for the Alaska Airlines approach and code-share to get feed from multiple carriers, which would probably do it good as well. Also, they've got to be clear that they're going to offer full service 2 class service. News stations seem to have reported them as just another charter.

As far as the competiton issue. There have been notions from the government of opening up cabotage, but I don't want to see it. My view is that US carriers would do more harm to Canadian carriers acting as alternatives to AC than they would do to AC, and would cause service levels to slide.


User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Sorry JAT...I am not familiar with the term "froot". However, I do wish the new airline much success. Roots Canada is aware of the Australian double-entendre. This may, indeed, be part of the hip image they are going after.

User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Hi All,

As a resident of Lethbridge, Alberta...it was sad to see Canadi>n Airlines fold. Canadi>n Regional was made up of Ontario Express, and my home town airline: TIME AIR. Time Air was, for a while, Canada's largest regional airline. I have many friends who still work for Canadi>n Regional, and I worry for their future.

In regards to Skyservice/ Roots Air... As a potential supplier to Roots and to Skyservice, I welcome the competition. Although we will never have TWO national carriers again, it will be good to see MAJOR regional airlines give some needed competition (and FAIR pricing) to the Canadian airline industry.

P.S. what do people think of a regional airline for WestJet...ie: Junior Jet...using either: Fairchild/Dornier 328J's, Embraer 135's...or a "Challenger" sized Canadair RJ?



AC.WA.CP.DL.RW.CO.WG.WJ.WN.KI.FL.SK.ACL.UA.US.F9
User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Hey Rikkus67, great to hear from a Lethbridger, I'm from Calgary myself (currently studying in the great city of Winnipeg) and I've got family down in the Lethbridge area. Personally I love it down there...

Anyways, about the idea of a WJ regional, I don't think so. WJ works on low-fare operations which are possible only with larger aircraft, but it also uses low frequencies. A few months ago we discussed possible new destinations for WJ in the west, and we came up with several possibilities to use 737's with on regional routes. Anyways, one of the routes I really think would work would be Vancouver-Lethbridge-Winnipeg-Hamilton. Any comments on that idea? Yeah, it probably wouldn't happen until they get through more of their eastern expansion (and fill in some gaps between the bigger western centres), but all things considered I'm sure it would work. Lots of people drive from Lethbridge to Calgary instead of flying. And there's over 150,000 people in the Lethbrige-Medicine Hat area. And using YVR-YQL-YWG-YHM would offer a great routing for lots of people, because I don't think WJ would be successful with north-south routes (people would still drive to Calgary to save the money). But the route I suggested would allow east-west flights conveniently and at a cost similar to YYC, minus the drive. And not only that, it would offer a convenient 1-stop for passengers between Winnipeg and Vancouver. Also, Winnipeg and Vancouver are fairly important destinations for travellers from Lethbridge. And I think a 1-stop to the east would be popular through YHM. Any comments? Yeah, maybe I'm dreaming a bit but I'm convinced it would work.

By the way, I hear IntegraAir at YQL is looking at expanding as well. Maybe you'll have a new Time Air?


User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Hey AC183,

Guess what I do in my spare time? I design PASSENGER SAFETY CARDS. I won't plug the biz here, but you can respond to my user info email addy.
Time Air used to have a YQL, cranbrook or kelowna, YVR run. It was awarded it against PAcific Western. The run was incredibly successful, and is sadly missed by all those south of YYC. As I am now the supplier of PAX cards to Westjet, I did have a little info on the YQL-YVR run. It looks like a start-up of sometime next year, as the new aircraft come on line.... I hope it happens.

ps. Integra and Frank Cook @ Transport Canada got me started in the PAX cards biz. I also designed Integra's logo and apintscheme, but with little extra capital, it might be a while before the planes get painted. Drop a line (to my user info email addy) and I'll pass along the artwork.

Kind Regards, Rik...



AC.WA.CP.DL.RW.CO.WG.WJ.WN.KI.FL.SK.ACL.UA.US.F9
25 AC183 : In my view the reason YQL doesn't have much in the way of service is the lack of marketing muscle. There's demand there, but there is little advertisi
26 YWG777 : Yeah AC183 that does make sense. YWG has become such a busy airport lately its quickly changing. I think WJ should do a route like that but have a dai
27 JAT : Whoops! I meant "fruit" not "froot". Oh well, no matter
28 AC183 : YWG777, WestJet DOES have a daily direct flight from Winnipeg to Vancouver, it's just not a non-stop flight. Personally I see no reason for WJ to go n
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