757-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 954 times:
My sis asked what is the best plane, so what is the worst plane in your opinion? Least comfort, reliability, or just don't like it. I can tell you I DO NOT like the Ilyushin and Tupolev planes. The only Tupolev that I even come close to liking is the Tu-134. I am fine with the rest of the airliners. Fly 757-200!
Evgeni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 954 times:
I know that tupolev are a bit risky to fly but I don't understand why you would think Ilyushin is a dangerous airplane. I don't think any Ilyushins have even crashed.
And Russian built aircraft are'nt dangerous , you might think they are because the ones that have crashed were just too old to fly.
757-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 953 times:
That is not what I meant, I meant what airplane do you not like for reasons like bad comfort, bad reliability, or that you just do not like the plane. THEN I said that I simply do not like Ilyushin and Tupolev. I did not say that the Tupolev and Ilyushin were unreliable, I just don't like them.
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32 Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 953 times:
I hate it when I get up to go to work and my DC8 wont crank over. Then I got to get a push start and pop the clutch. I like all planes. I don't like your questions much though. Can't you think of more in depth questions to ask than just opening a thread to voice your own opinion that no one asked for.
Evgeni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 952 times:
Why don't you like the Ilyushin?
I flew on Il-86 over the atlantic and it was very comfortable. Now, the Tupolev is another story but I don't think Ilyushin satisfaction is lower than Boeing. Russian manufacturers wanted an airplane that could fly over the atlantic, so they had to make it comfortable.
Boeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 935 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 952 times:
Looking back at the track record of earlier DC-10 models, I would not dare stepping into a DC-10-10. All newer airplanes, like the A320/330/340 and the B777 are too much filled up with technology, where if (which I admit does not happen very often) something would happen, you could just push a button and turn all this new computer junk off and fly the airplane with cables and pullies. I understand that we have to move towards the future, and with that comes new technology, but just in that situation, I want to know that I can still count on my aeronautical skills and bring my baby down. This is why I like older B-727 and L-1011s, they might be out of date technology wise, but they are (what I call) airplanes.
United#52 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 952 times:
Are you some sort of anti-technology activist or something? I think that the Boeing 777 and 747-400 are the best things ever to come out of the Boeing plant, and the Airbus A320 is just too comfortable to say anything bad about. In my opinion, planes such as the ones I have named are perfect in terms of their respective technologies. One thing...the B747-400 should have FBW controls and LCD screens.
757-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 954 times:
Okay, so it wasn't the most interesting topic in the world! I ask because I want to know. If there's a certain airplane someone in this forum somebody doesn't like, it would do me good not to talk about it. I can't help it if you think my topics aren't interesting. Remember, some people find certian things interesting, while others don't. I did not join this forum to cause fights. We all share the same thing in common; we all love aviation and would like to discuss aviation related topics. Come on, this forum has improved 100% in the past month, let's not ruin it by arguing with each other. Evgeni, no, I have never been on those planes, I don't like their appearance! That's all! Now, lets keep the forum a nice place to visit! If you don't like my topic, I'm sorry. I really couldn't think of anything really 'interesting' to post, so I did this topic in the face of my sister asking what everyone's favorite plane was. Contrary to most of you, I do not have anyone on the inside that I am in contact with, so most of the time I am asking things I need/want to know. I'm sorry if I've raised a problem. I assure you JETPILOT that my next post will be more interesting. You've answered most of my posts since I joined here about 5 months ago, and I respect you for that. I'm only 14, and I am trying to learn all there is about aviation, and right now this forum is my most important source of the info I need. So I'd appreciate it if we could all PLEASE get along.
Adam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 953 times:
I found the 2 most uncomfotable planes are 727 and dc-9 hands down, they are quieter on takeoff than they are in the air, and when they are taking off the over head bins sound like they are about to rattle apart, and when your flying in a storm and you see the lights and vents shaking its not too reassuring. L1011s are the best Ive flown so far. Viva La L1011
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JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32 Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 953 times:
You see!! When you ask a question like this one you are asking for answers like the one by 777. What does he know a bout the DC10 that Fed Ex doesn't. I'd Like to know. Becuase they must think it's pretty good. They just bought 100 of them. I know!! There crappy because he thinks there ugly or maybe he got airsick on one once. Lets get the forum content up to a little higher level.
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32 Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 953 times:
The info you have on the earlier DC10's is bogus. I don't know what the media has been telling you, but the DC10's record is spotless. It's the fools who mounted the engine on the plane with a forklift who caused the Chicago O'hare crash. The forklift ran out of gas so they pulled it out to refuel it and left the engine hanging by one bolt that caused the pylon to crack.
The cargo door that blew off was improperly latched. Any aircraft is exposed to human era. It's unfortunate that the media has put the DC10 in such a bad light. You don't have to propogate it. The statistics say that planes don't kill people. 98% of the time it's the flight crew.
People should be less woried about the safety of aircraft and more concerned why American airlines flew a perfectly good 757 into a mountain top in Columbia. Or why Delta airlines flew a perfectly airworthy aircraft into a thunderstorm/microburst in Dallas Fort Worth killing just about everyone on board. Planes are safe. Pilots aren't.
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2089 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 953 times:
Jetpilot, if you read the opening thread, we were asked which airplane we dislike, for whatever reason, technical or not. 777Rules gave his opinion. And you summarily attacked him for it. That is not how a forum works. A forum is for contributing your two cents, not for attacking another contributor for contributing his two cents simply because his two cents displeases you. That's my two cents.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
United747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 953 times:
If you are looking for worst in comfort, the MD-90 and 757-200. If you are looking for worst in looks, ALL of the Russian built planes. And if you are looking for worst in records, the DC-10-10. If you want best in looks, comfort, and records from the past and still to come, fly the Boeing 777!!! You won't regret it!
Flyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (14 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 952 times:
I personally believe that some russian planes are beautiful. And I have flown on a 777 (UA B777-222IGW N799UA) and I did not think it was comfortable, or looked good (even though the aircraft was only 3 weeks old), and the 777 has been around long enough for it to have a record, you just wait.
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32 Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 953 times:
That's my two cents. And thats not an attack. Thats my opinion. Thats waht forums are about. What he said about the DC10 amounts to slander. Lets have some Corroboration. That might make his post a little more enjoyable.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7724 posts, RR: 55 Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 953 times:
Poor 757-200, getting chewed out by JETPILOT. I think it's a valid question, and bless his sister for asking it. My fave is the 747 classic, and for comfort and interior design, it's Airbus. Someone said the 777 wasn't that impressive, and I agree, the cabin is a bit old-fashioned and the sculpted ceiling panels made me feel a bit unsettled as they're so unsymetrical. So, fave: 747, A320, 707. dislike: 777, MD11, 767 (such a boring plane! and slow!). I like the 757 cos it's a workhorse and the right size for the job, and I hope our friend 757-200 who posted the question gets to fly one for Delta. Good luck!
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2089 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (14 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 953 times:
Jet Pilot wrote:
"Let's get the forum content up to a little higher level." That was your line JETPILOT because you didn't like what 777Rules' had to say. You insulted his contribution. That is an attack. That is not what forums are about. If he doesn't like the DC-10, he should be able to say that without fear of having his contribution ridiculed. That would be no worse than saying he doesn't like neopolitan ice cream. Ice cream, nor airliners, can be slandered. Give the kid a break. He is in the 5-15 age group. You're in the 26-35 age group. He could be 6 years old for heaven's sake. Perhaps you're suggesting that McDonnell Douglas sue the kid for slander? Then will let Baskin-Robbins go at him.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
SashA From Russia, joined May 1999, 858 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (14 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 952 times:
For me, the worst flying experience was on a piston-powered An-2. When I got out of the plane I couldn't feel the ground... it was so shaky when it flew. Now, I wonder whether it's pilots or weather or the plane's design, but out of 4 times I flew An-2, all 4 times I was like drunk when got out of the plane. And 2 times out of these I got sick :).
Ice Cream Man: to your question of a possible reason of Soviet-built planes' crashes. I'd guess it's more due to the inadequate procedures, in terms of technical service and ageing planes being flown-over instead of being sent to scrap.
As for Soviet planes being "too dangerousto fly", air accidents records show that their Western counterparts "perform" no worse in contributing to the crash list.